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If my opponent surrounds my Rhino with Howling Banshees, is there really nothing I can do? Can't get the guys out, can't drive my giant tank over a handful of girls, when the rhino dies, everyone inside dies too?

You could potentially disembark through the Banshees. If they're all in btb then you should be able to put your models down so that they're 1" away from the Banshees but still within 3" of the transport.

But otherwise, yeah.

You cant move through enemy models no
If they blow it up and you cant get 3" out and not be within 1" of them yes they (any models that can't) die.

There is nothing (as far as i can tell) that says you can't move within 1" of a model when you disembark, you could argue disembarking is not a normal move. Disembark simply says put the models within 3" and not within 1" of an enemy.

someone might have a counter argument to this but something like

M - 2.9" from rhino
1.9" gap
B - 1" base (old base)
R

Its does say the count as moving for rules purposes but up to that point you are just 'setting them up' so in theory you could argue they didnt move within 1" of the enemy when you disembark.

I'v not seen this lap around technique actually happen yet, i can't see how you'd easily do it with one unit unless they approached the rhino in some massive C formation. two or three units sure... but then he's dedicated all that stuff to a rhino with some duders in

Seems reasonably easy to surround? Only takes like 10 models to surround while maintaining coherency, and Banshees get +3" to their charge, so they should have plenty of distance.

Hormagaunts get a 6" pile-in and a 6" consolidate as well, so the end result is akin to a Venus flytrap snapping shut.

well it is but you have to move closer than where you were

so its more like dropping sand from above... its all situational though and finite with model positioning

who said 8th wasn't nuanced!

 Latro_ wrote:
well it is but you have to move closer than where you were

so its more like dropping sand from above... its all situational though and finite with model positioning

who said 8th wasn't nuanced!

I don't believe you have to move directly towards the closest enemy model. You just need to end the move closer to the closest enemy model. If you start 2" away, you could end 1" away on the other side of the tank. You're closer. That works. With enough movement, you can easily wrap around a tank.

 Kriswall wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
well it is but you have to move closer than where you were

so its more like dropping sand from above... its all situational though and finite with model positioning

who said 8th wasn't nuanced!

I don't believe you have to move directly towards the closest enemy model. You just need to end the move closer to the closest enemy model. If you start 2" away, you could end 1" away on the other side of the tank. You're closer. That works. With enough movement, you can easily wrap around a tank.

I believe this is correct. As long as you end closer, you can go anywhere around it.

Yeah, if the transport is surrounded by like a single layer of enemy models on smaller bases (such as the standard GW base, which is just a hair under 1" in diameter), then RAW you're technically able to disembark your models and place them so that they're more than 1" way from the enemy but still within 3" of the transport.

I think its stupid, but I guess you could imagine that the guys somehow climb out the top of the vehicle and jump over the surrounding enemies?

When rhino or other transport is destroyed can't you put a few models in it's place?

kiciek wrote:
When rhino or other transport is destroyed can't you put a few models in it's place?

Nope, you have to disembark the unit before removing the transport model. So if you're surrounded when the transport is destroyed, the only way any guys are surviving are if you're okay with the 'teleporting' through enemy models RAW deal (assuming there is enough room to place your models within 3" of your transport and 1" away from enemy models).

yakface wrote:
Yeah, if the transport is surrounded by like a single layer of enemy models on smaller bases (such as the standard GW base, which is just a hair under 1" in diameter), then RAW you're technically able to disembark your models and place them so that they're more than 1" way from the enemy but still within 3" of the transport.

Assuming the enemy models are indeed in base contact. Now that we don't need to be in base contact anymore, I usually keep my models ~1/2" away, just to avoid hitting other models with all the bits that stick out (very common problem with harlequins). Now I have a tactical reason to do it

kiciek wrote:
When rhino or other transport is destroyed can't you put a few models in it's place?

If it doesn't explode, you're supposed to disembark the passengers before removing the transport. So no, you can't place them where the transport used to be.

fresus wrote:
If it doesn't explode, you're supposed to disembark the passengers before removing the transport. So no, you can't place them where the transport used to be.

Even when a vehicle explodes you still disembark models before removing the transport.

1) You resolve the explosion.
2) Disembark passengers.
3) Roll to see if any passengers died.
4) remove the transport.

 yakface wrote:

fresus wrote:
If it doesn't explode, you're supposed to disembark the passengers before removing the transport. So no, you can't place them where the transport used to be.

Even when a vehicle explodes you still disembark models before removing the transport.

1) You resolve the explosion.
2) Disembark passengers.
3) Roll to see if any passengers died.
4) remove the transport.

Oh you're right. Since the explosion is resolved before disembarking, I wrongly assumed the transport was also removed before disembarking.

If this happens can the passengers disembark out of coherency?

 Nithaniel wrote:
If this happens can the passengers disembark out of coherency?

Disembarking is not specifically described as being movement, just that models that have disembarked count as having moved. So take that as you will.

Personally I'd feel dirty about teleport disembarking through enemy models. I'd feel kind of okay about disembarking out of coherency, but I'd be compelled to immediately move the unit back into coherency if at all possible (but that's just me).

Yeah it makes sense. So out of coherency seems to be technically aloowed.

When it says 'within 3" ' does that mean all of the base is within 3" or any part of the model within 3".

In 7th I think the rules clarified that the whole base had to be within the distance but I can't find anything in the 8th rules that states it either way.

I believe it just says that every model has to be within 3". Usually this construction just means that any part of the base has to be within the specified distance -- this is just like a range measurement. The rules will use something like "wholly within" or "entirely within" if they want all of the base to be inside the distance.