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Don't get me wrong I love the models and I don't wanna be but I can't get over this new marine thing. Reason being I started my marines a year or so ago when the new assault box came out. So I haven't had even a full edition with them and the models already being replaced. After the money spent and all the hours I have into painting them this feels like a kick to the groin.
I'm happy for the others that want to start a new army but for those like me that have a newly built large short marine force this is frustrating. What's my silverling?

Here's to hoping I will be able to use them as count as numarines when Gdubs totally pushes the old models aside.

There are still rules for the old models, and in many ways, they are much better still.

GW has said multiple times that old marines are not going away. Stop worrying about what the fear mongers are telling you.

Where's the evidence that regular space marines are going anywhere?

Yea I know......for this edition they are safe. Guess I just need to play in the now and not worry about things that haven't happened yet. Just feel like the writings on the wall though. Hope I'm wrong

I doubt it. There are dozens of models lines at stake here. This would take a decade plus, I think.

My money is definitely on marine lines being consolidated in the future, with Primaris becoming the norm and old models being allowed as 'counts as'. On the other hand, there's no way they're going to disallow the old models. So consider yourself the proud owner of a future Primaris Marine army

GW's said a lot of things and redone a lot of model lines in the past. Yet, I'm still playing with Tyranid warriors back from 2E days and Terminators from 1E.

Space marines will always be around, whether or not they are Primaris size or the old size we're used to. You'll still be able to use the models either way - and it will be at least a couple years before the Primaris-size might (though I personally think they will be the "default" models) the only ones to be sold.

When we start seeing primaris sized MkIV-VIII marines, then we worry.

Given how the most recent kits for marines have been from last year with the Deathguard and Prospero marines, I doubt regular marines are going anywhere anytime soon. Also, given how many years worth of space marines are floating out there, it seems pretty unlikely for marines to be squatted.

Sure, the 8th BRB shows primaris front and centre, but a great deal of regular units are shown among their primaris brethren. Also worth pointing out is that the BRB mentions codexes and how we should check them out, which does seem to indicate we'll get 8th edition ones *coughbattletomescough* My money is on the Indices being the "Grand Alliance" equivalents, with codices in the future.


Getting back on track, to invalidate the marine line you'd need to get rid of dreads, ven dreads, rhinos, razorbacks, preds, drop pods, assault marines, tacs, devs, chapter-specific units and so on. A very, very vast swath of units would have to go and this is also in addition to (again) how many years worth of space marine art/pics/etc before primaris became a thing.

Why not force people to buy both? That's what I don't get about these threads. You already have the molds just keep maling Devs/Tacs/Assaults/etc. And make primaris marines that do things in a different way so you can force people to go "Well for this list I could take hellblasters, but lascannon Devs would work better.

Grimlineman wrote:
...when Gdubs totally pushes the old models aside.

I see this being thrown around but I don't think that people realise just how expensive injection moulds are. The moulds for the entire marine range are probably worth hundreds of thousands of Pounds, or maybe more. Those things are getting used until they break or people stop buying them. Throwing them away prematurely doesn't make financial sense unless there is no demand.

Trying to force the replacement onto people would destroy the good will they've just started to get back, while I've been less impressed by roundtree than others I think he has enough sense to understand the company can't invalidated model lines without major backlash.

Zustiur wrote:
GW has said multiple times that old marines are not going away. Stop worrying about what the fear mongers are telling you.

GW that said "No there's no new space hulk coming" one week before new space hulk was announced...

...Sorry but with GW's track record do you REALLY think they are going to be 100% honest when doing so would cause immediate crash of sales of their biggest sellers before replacement is fully prepared? It doesn't even make business sense to admit if they are planning that.

Yeah gw said no more squating but I don't see khemry or bretonian armies on shelves anymore.

Gw lie you can put zero faith in their promises.

I do not really get this, Things change over time.
Its really the same thing they have been doing for years, Some models get updates as they can make them better.

This includes marines, You do not have to buy them as they do. It will take them many many years to update all the marine kits if they do intend to do that in the long run anyway.

yet again, even if you don't wanna listen to GW's promises they're not likely to kill the golden goose. Space Marines will be around for awhile yet. They may not get much new stuff (with Primars getting all their new releases) but GW's not gonna pull em off the shelf for years to come. Space Marines are their best selling product line, even if sales of them are down a bit and Primaris Marines eclipse space Marines, chances are "old skool Marines" are STILL gonna sell better then a lotta the other lines out there. basicly TLDR I expect GW even if they are planning on phasing out old marines, to double dip as long as is humanly possiable

Apple fox wrote:
I do not really get this, Things change over time.
Its really the same thing they have been doing for years, Some models get updates as they can make them better.

This includes marines, You do not have to buy them as they do. It will take them many many years to update all the marine kits if they do intend to do that in the long run anyway.

Sorry space marines have been the same for 30 years people have large collections its not reasonable to expect them to scrap them and buy a whole new force without a massive amount of anger, you tell me my collection built over two decades is now incompatible I'll not take it well.

And given gws past actions its reasonable to be concerned.

hobojebus wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
I do not really get this, Things change over time.
Its really the same thing they have been doing for years, Some models get updates as they can make them better.

This includes marines, You do not have to buy them as they do. It will take them many many years to update all the marine kits if they do intend to do that in the long run anyway.

Sorry space marines have been the same for 30 years people have large collections its not reasonable to expect them to scrap them and buy a whole new force without a massive amount of anger, you tell me my collection built over two decades is now incompatible I'll not take it well.

And given gws past actions its reasonable to be concerned.

No one said anything about scrap them, or Incompatible. The marine models have changed over that time, You can tell just building kits from over the last 10 years.
Things change, As GW improves they will try and make better models. The same as all the other lines they have, and basically every other line on the market sees improvement.
The only thing to stop this Is to not buy anything ever, as a potential improvement may come out.
GW have given no true indication to that they ever really will be made the same line in the future.

Apple fox wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
I do not really get this, Things change over time.
Its really the same thing they have been doing for years, Some models get updates as they can make them better.

This includes marines, You do not have to buy them as they do. It will take them many many years to update all the marine kits if they do intend to do that in the long run anyway.

Sorry space marines have been the same for 30 years people have large collections its not reasonable to expect them to scrap them and buy a whole new force without a massive amount of anger, you tell me my collection built over two decades is now incompatible I'll not take it well.

And given gws past actions its reasonable to be concerned.

No one said anything about scrap them, or Incompatible. The marine models have changed over that time, You can tell just building kits from over the last 10 years.
Things change, As GW improves they will try and make better models. The same as all the other lines they have, and basically every other line on the market sees improvement.
The only thing to stop this Is to not buy anything ever, as a potential improvement may come out.
GW have given no true indication to that they ever really will be made the same line in the future.

in fact keeping em seperate is a nice busniess oppertunity for GW, as it conceviably means you basicly have two army varients for their most popular line

You shouldn't be salty because there isn't really a reason to be.

"Why shouldn't you be salty"

Because you're a grown up and they're plastic figures.

According to my 9 year old niece the official urban definition of being "salty" is irrational anger over a small or petty matter, so yes, you should be getting super salty over GW putting out marines that look a little different from your marines.

30-year-old Space Marines are already significantly smaller (in overall bulk, as well as height); stand an RTB01 plastic Marine or one of the old RT01 metal models next to a brand-new plastic Tactical Marine and you'll see.

My expectation is that new releases will be significantly biased towards Primaris Marines rather than the old Marines (for in-universe as well as real-world reasons). However, you have Index: Imperium 1, so you will always be able to use your existing Marines.

There's no need to use them as "counts-as" (although that's always been an option. Any objections have always come from small-minded players, never from GW); Just keep on playing as non-Primaris Space Marines.

Right now the primus are short quite a few models.

So they have line troops. One special wraps, one assult and hq + trans/maybe a raider.

And with they point vs number of models. Always gonna be a small army.

Space marines ain't gonna be going away for a while.

For GW to delete the biggest cash cow faction in their biggest cash cow franchise would be the single dumbest thing they could do. Your standard Marines aren't going anywhere, at least not for a long while.

Now, what they might do, is not introduce any new kits for the standard, non-Primaris marines. But you won't see them drop support entirely, at least not while they still exist in the fluff. Someone's gonna bring up the Bretonians here: they got written out of the fluff when the old world blew up, which is why they got slow-faded (and even then, they're technically still playable). As long as there are standard Marines in the fluff, they'll have rules, even if you're stuck with old kits. Being stuck with old kits isn't the worst thing in the world, either: just ask any CSM or Eldar players...

jade_angel wrote:
Someone's gonna bring up the Bretonians here: they got written out of the fluff when the old world blew up, which is why they got slow-faded (and even then, they're technically still playable.

Bear in mind that the Old World still existed, but it was thousands of years prior to the current timeline in Age of Sigmar, and there were casualties. That said, Bretonnia and Tomb Kings were discontinued for potential copyright reasons. You will also notice that most generic rider-on-horse cavalry also went away. This is because those types of models are easy to replicate for other miniatures companies as there is no intellectual property protecting them. As such, GW thinned out the herd and decided to stop supporting the lines and models that might not be copyright protected. Yes, they are completely playable as legacy armies, and those rules will likely stay available for a long time to come. So a Human Knight on Horse with Lance model isn't as likely to be sold by GW anymore, but a Demigriph Knight will.

Also, there are now a few references in the new fluff of Age of Sigmar that mentions "the Lady" and a desert-dwelling undead faction that is trying to break away from Nagash....

But anyways, play whichever version of Space Marines you want to play; personally, I am planning on both! There are far more important things to be upset over than a possibility that there is a chance that a company may or may not continue a product line in the future, when they have stated that it isn't going to happen.

"Sighs loudy"

As a CSM/ Eldar player i can say Jade_angel is correct tough the CSM have it worse.

If any phase out occurs it will be across two editions, if your'e still playing by 10th edition you're gonna be one of the cool collectors with old models. Still winning!

I don't know why so many SM players are pissed about mega marines, it's just something new and cool to paint and add to your existing army. Go on a sisters forum and complain about having new stuff.

Honestly, at this point I almost hope they do discontinue the old marine models. It would increase the value of the army I'm trying to sell.