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Storm Talons seem excellent - how do you kill them though?

They have a WS of 3+, however it says it gets a +1 on hits at ground forces = 2+ to hit on ground forces? Is this right?

Plus it has a +1 hard to hit when shooting at it. It seems like one of the best units I've come across.

I have a Chaos Space Marine Army which has Forgefiends, Helldrakes, 2 Havoc Squads all with Lascannons - what is best for taking this down?? Has anyone come up against these in the 8th edition?

My best shot is my Heldrake charging it... help, scared!

8 lascannons you have will provably kill it in one turn.

The -1 To Hit isn't as bad as you might think - Havocs will still hit the thing 50% of the time, and a good round of Lascannons could bring it down easily. Also, most of its guns are 24" - 36", whereas Lascannons easily outrange it. Put the Havocs in cover or the back of the board and fire away - it should be gone in 1-2 turns.

Talons have the +1 to hit ground targets, but their weapons are all Heavy so when they move they're at - 1, so it just cancels each other out.

Sky hammer missiles become a mess as they are +2 to hit on units with FLY which with the - 1 to hit, would have then hitting on 2s. But in Ground targets it's - 1 plus - 1 for moving, plus +1 for a ground target so... 4s?

It does have heavy weapons right?
Unless i am mistaken, if it moves in gains -1 for firing heavy weapons. Then it hits at 3+ the ground targets, not at 2+
It does not have the power of the machine spirit rule

Step One: Take a Deredeo and activate your helical targeting array.
Step Two (Optional): Take a Chaos Lord for rerolls of one (1/36 chance to miss)
Step Three: Shoot with the Deredeo and imagine the fireworks as all of your opponents flyers explode.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Talons have the +1 to hit ground targets, but their weapons are all Heavy so when they move they're at - 1, so it just cancels each other out.

Sky hammer missiles become a mess as they are +2 to hit on units with FLY which with the - 1 to hit, would have then hitting on 2s. But in Ground targets it's - 1 plus - 1 for moving, plus +1 for a ground target so... 4s?

Talons have +1 to hit targets with FLY (they have Interceptor) and Skyhammer have +1 vs Fly (they hit flyers on 2+: +1 interceptor, +1 skyhammer -1 heavy; flyers with hard to hit at 3+, and non fly on 5+: -1 heavy, -1 skyhammer)

But Talons are strictly worse than Stormhawks, which have +1 T and Infernum Halo Launcher and an added Icarus canon for the same cost (Yay balance)

Stormhawks are tough murder machines of doom.

Good vs ground targets (hit on 4+) and completely devastating vs anything with FLY (if you want to murder TAU or Dark Elder they are your vehicle of choice)

12 Shots S 6, AP -1 D 1 and 6 shots S 5, AP -1 D 1 which hit on 3+ thanks to Interceptor (-1 heavy, +1 vs FLY) and 3 S 7 AP -1 D 2 which hit on a freaking 2+. (all one worse vs flyers with hard to hit)

All this on a T7, W 10 Sv 3+ flyer which may reroll 1 on saves. And all this for the cost of about 10 mediocre equipped space marines...

Expected Wounds vs FLY unit with T 6: 7 per turn (yes 7)
Expected Wounds vs FLY with Hard to Hit unit with T 6: 5.3

Lancelot185 wrote:
Step One: Take a Deredeo and activate your helical targeting array.
Step Two (Optional): Take a Chaos Lord for rerolls of one (1/36 chance to miss)
Step Three: Shoot with the Deredeo and imagine the fireworks as all of your opponents flyers explode.

He asked with what he had already.

The 8 lascannons he already has will more than suffice.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Lancelot185 wrote:
Step One: Take a Deredeo and activate your helical targeting array.
Step Two (Optional): Take a Chaos Lord for rerolls of one (1/36 chance to miss)
Step Three: Shoot with the Deredeo and imagine the fireworks as all of your opponents flyers explode.

He asked with what he had already.

The 8 lascannons he already has will more than suffice.

The 8 lascannons will deal an average of 7.8 wounds per turn. He usually won't kill it in turn 1, but it should die in turn 2.

UncleThomson wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Talons have the +1 to hit ground targets, but their weapons are all Heavy so when they move they're at - 1, so it just cancels each other out.

Sky hammer missiles become a mess as they are +2 to hit on units with FLY which with the - 1 to hit, would have then hitting on 2s. But in Ground targets it's - 1 plus - 1 for moving, plus +1 for a ground target so... 4s?

Talons have +1 to hit targets with FLY (they have Interceptor) and Skyhammer have +1 vs Fly (they hit flyers on 2+: +1 interceptor, +1 skyhammer -1 heavy; flyers with hard to hit at 3+, and non fly on 5+: -1 heavy, -1 skyhammer)

If you read the rules for the Talon’s interceptor, it’s actually strafing run. Seeing that it’s always been the ground attack bird, I suspect it’s the name that’s the copy/paste error, not the meat of the rules.

Remember the early 8th edition mantra: spam high rof S5+ guns.

New wound chart puts S5 in a sweet-spot of wounding infantry on a 3+ most of the time and vehicles on a 5+. Massed volume S5 will help kill anything/everything by sheer weight of fire. It is to vehicles what lasgun blobs were to hammernators: something that seems harmless individually but will drown the target en mass.

Smite works great against them.

 Nevelon wrote:

UncleThomson wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Talons have the +1 to hit ground targets, but their weapons are all Heavy so when they move they're at - 1, so it just cancels each other out.

Sky hammer missiles become a mess as they are +2 to hit on units with FLY which with the - 1 to hit, would have then hitting on 2s. But in Ground targets it's - 1 plus - 1 for moving, plus +1 for a ground target so... 4s?

Talons have +1 to hit targets with FLY (they have Interceptor) and Skyhammer have +1 vs Fly (they hit flyers on 2+: +1 interceptor, +1 skyhammer -1 heavy; flyers with hard to hit at 3+, and non fly on 5+: -1 heavy, -1 skyhammer)

If you read the rules for the Talon’s interceptor, it’s actually strafing run. Seeing that it’s always been the ground attack bird, I suspect it’s the name that’s the copy/paste error, not the meat of the rules.

Oh my bad. But it didn't seem to make any difference:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2017/06/26/results-8th-edition-gt/

The winning list:

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Tim-Travers-1st-Overall-Boise-Cup-GT-2017.pdf

I would assault them. But then, my list has psychos with jump packs in it.