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 techsoldaten wrote:

Melissa has every right to feel the way she does, no one needs to tell her she is wrong for her opinions even if she chooses to express them strongly. It's not personal, it's her own valid, unique perspective. It would be wrong to elevate the observations she has shared to the level of offense. At the end of the day, does it really matter that she would not want to join your group? Given all that she's said, would you actually want to be in a group she's in?

Gaming is social, and social means you meet a lot of people. That doesn't mean you have to like all of them.

Sure, I just don't know why I was attacked in the first place. All I did was express my own joy that I have friends that like playing 30k with 7th edition. She goes on to insult me and my group by implying that we are exclusive and rude to 40k players, when nothing such was said. Expressing strong opinions is fine, but doing it while also insulting others (however passive it was) is not OK. Now I did not see what Fenriz wrote that warranted a mod stepping in, but it was probably not good either.

I am letting this go now, this is not something worth getting upset about. Respect each other, life gets easier that way.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

Melissa has expressed some enthusiasm for 8th edition rules in Horus Heresy, which is great. Horus Heresy uses a different ruleset and (given what happened to poor Mr. Bligh) will continue doing so for some time, with few changes, at least until they release the remaining Legion armies. I have not met anyone clamoring for 8th edition rules in HH outside this thread, but I do see people creating new armies all the time. The ones who do seem to be enjoying themselves.

Pretty much everyone in the store I play at has been wanting 8e rules for the Heresy, they'll still play HH as is, but they want it updated.

The opposite in my local. Half of our 30K group was angry that 8th edition wasn't happening, and then they played 8th edition 40K. Now all they want to do is play 30K.

Yeah its gonna be different everywhere you go.

Well. Everybody in my group was glad, that FW stays with 7th edition. Especially now, because 8th edition is just......not realy fleshed out, it seems.

I like each system for what it is.

HH feels like it's more tactically precise. Appropriate for sets of armies fighting at the pinnacle of their advancement.

8th edition feels like it's more action-oriented. Accounts for differences between different races with widely varying battle styles.

Having both use the same set of rules would remove these distinctive qualities. I don't feel like we're losing anything with the way things are currently set up. Also, I don't feel like I would be less likely to field a Heresy-era army if the system looked more like 8th edition.

 alleus wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

Melissa has every right to feel the way she does, no one needs to tell her she is wrong for her opinions even if she chooses to express them strongly. It's not personal, it's her own valid, unique perspective. It would be wrong to elevate the observations she has shared to the level of offense. At the end of the day, does it really matter that she would not want to join your group? Given all that she's said, would you actually want to be in a group she's in?

Gaming is social, and social means you meet a lot of people. That doesn't mean you have to like all of them.

Sure, I just don't know why I was attacked in the first place. All I did was express my own joy that I have friends that like playing 30k with 7th edition. She goes on to insult me and my group by implying that we are exclusive and rude to 40k players, when nothing such was said. Expressing strong opinions is fine, but doing it while also insulting others (however passive it was) is not OK. Now I did not see what Fenriz wrote that warranted a mod stepping in, but it was probably not good either.

I am letting this go now, this is not something worth getting upset about. Respect each other, life gets easier that way.

I was just speaking in your defense. Cest La Vie. We can all agree to disagree.

Your group sounds nice though, which is always a good thing. Happy gaming!

My small group of gamers ( about 8 of us) are glad that 30k stayed 7th edition as we wanted all the legions and stuff to be finished in one rule set. I think it would of been a huge mess if they had most of the rules 7th and then made the BA,WS and DA with 8th edition rules and tried to port over the rest of the legions with 'get you by rules' until they could get back around to them.

Once everything is finished rules wise with the legions, I would be more then willing to have them port over 30k to 8th edition as we could choose what edition of rules to use. More choice is always a good thing I reckons.

I myself prefer 7th for HH as it plays different then main line 40k as it got rid of most of the most visible offenders in 7th ( taudar, super friends deathstar, tau riptide/sugre wings, eldar.. well everything , space marine grav spam....) but it still has some gaping holes such as spaming quad launchers with phosphex, Thousand Son Magnus... ( ug really my friend chris has been waiting for ever for TS and he felt so bad after playing magnus for the first time), Some of the space wolf shenanigans. But all in all it's way better then the mess that the end of 7th edition was.

Now lets go out there and make either Horus, the Emperor or the Omnissiah ( as his guise of the Un-maker god my personal fav) proud!

I like Horus Heresy with 7th edition, mostly because it's nice having two different rulesets to go between. If HH was 8th edition rules as well it could have gotten stale I think, since you would play it both in 30k and 40k.

With two different rulesets you get more variety, which is a good thing. Only if you have to play though, obivously, otherwise it could be a problem. Though, even if it was 8th edition rules, playing against 40k factions proably wouldn't work well anyway. It didn't in 7th edition, and I don't see why it would in 8th edition.

What I like about HH is the depth of its rules. I was amped up for 8th, however now that it has dropped and I have seen the rules, I have found the game to be nowhere near as enjoyablenas 7th Edition HH.

The part that absolutely kills me however is that players will have this barrier where they will have to find a 7th edition 40k rule book in order to even play HH. So now our game has this barrier between our game and the rest of the 40k armies that makes it even more difficult for us to find a match.

HH is dead in my area. Its just the same three guys playing with the same three armies. No more great crusade matches against Orks, no more purging of Xenos on outer reach planets.

Is anyone actually having trouble finding HH games since 8th edition came out? This has been on my find for a while.

If anything, I am finding more people playing HH than 8th edition. The people playing HH tend to be older gamers and they tend to have been playing it for at least a year. Mostly in the DC area.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Is anyone actually having trouble finding HH games since 8th edition came out? This has been on my find for a while.

If anything, I am finding more people playing HH than 8th edition. The people playing HH tend to be older gamers and they tend to have been playing it for at least a year. Mostly in the DC area.

I have had one game of HH since 8th dropped. The interest in the area evaporated and it shows no signs of coming back. There is one other fellow who has two HH armies that was driving it and he seems to have jumped ship as well.

I have no doubt that in some areas HH is still going but here? Basically gone.

Not touched 8th and done plan too, heresy is all me and my group play now, that and fantasy.

 Nurgle wrote:
What I like about HH is the depth of its rules. I was amped up for 8th, however now that it has dropped and I have seen the rules, I have found the game to be nowhere near as enjoyablenas 7th Edition HH.

The part that absolutely kills me however is that players will have this barrier where they will have to find a 7th edition 40k rule book in order to even play HH. So now our game has this barrier between our game and the rest of the 40k armies that makes it even more difficult for us to find a match.

HH is dead in my area. Its just the same three guys playing with the same three armies. No more great crusade matches against Orks, no more purging of Xenos on outer reach planets.

I think that when Forgeworld releases their new 7th edition rulebook specifically for Horus Heresy, the hype train will depart once more for the game. At least I hope so, the game and the miniatures really deserve more players!

Dark angels and Blood angels, so looking forward to both.

Well, yes, Angelus as well. I was mostly thinking about the rulebook itself, but Angelus should be good. Unfortunately it seems it will not come until late 2018.

Hopefully the rulebook comes quicker than that.

 AaronWilson wrote:
I think people pretending HH is perfectly balanced are a bit naive, but I would say the curve is closer then 8th (Maybe JUST magnus withstanding?)

I think that people who keep on saying that anyone is claiming HH to be perfectly balanced are being a bit disingenuous.

And for the record, I much prefer 8th ed to 7th, whether it is for HH or 40k.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Is anyone actually having trouble finding HH games since 8th edition came out? This has been on my find for a while.

Anecdotally, my gaming group hasn't played any HH since 8th dropped, and I'm not sure any of us plan to. We went from a strictly 30k group to a 40k one.

Anecdotally, my gaming group hasn't played any HH since 8th dropped, and I'm not sure any of us plan to. We went from a strictly 30k group to a 40k one.

I for my part prefer 7th over 8th, by far.

My gaming group (12 Guys and one girl called "Lyla") was 100% committed to 40k. When 8th dropped our jaws did the same
and now we went all over to Horus Heresy and shelved our old units. Nobody can envisage to ever play 40k again.
It is almost unbelievable.

Prinster wrote:

Anecdotally, my gaming group hasn't played any HH since 8th dropped, and I'm not sure any of us plan to. We went from a strictly 30k group to a 40k one.

I for my part prefer 7th over 8th, by far.

My gaming group (12 Guys and one girl called "Lyla") was 100% committed to 40k. When 8th dropped our jaws did the same
and now we went all over to Horus Heresy and shelved our old units. Nobody can envisage to ever play 40k again.
It is almost unbelievable.

That's interesting. It seems like most groups gravitate more towards 40k 8th, with some exceptions. I'm lucky enough to have a gaming club where both are very active, so I do like 8th edition 40k as well. I just like Horus Heresy more