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Did anyone else get the feeling of possible "order 66" from primaris marines made by crawl and all the distrust felix and guilliman feel towards him in the dark imperium Novell

I 100% did. I think either A) we're gonna have like, a second heresy, but this time Cawl's traitor geneseed Primaris (yeah right Girlyman put a stop to that) will be the loyalists for a redemption arc as regular loyalists start to get pissed at Big Blue and try to leave the IoM or something, or B) Primaris will hostile takeover chapter masters and bring non-codex chapters back into the fold. Something like that...

Sounds intriguing

Honestly I instantly thought of it when they mentioned they were mostly vat grown and I'd be surprised if they didn't. I mean when they do finally (probably at least a decade from now) decide to play russian roulette and remove the basic marines it'd make for a more interesting story having the older ones mostly taken by surprise or ending up as small resistance forces.

 n0t_u wrote:
Honestly I instantly thought of it when they mentioned they were mostly vat grown and I'd be surprised if they didn't. I mean when they do finally (probably at least a decade from now) decide to play russian roulette and remove the basic marines it'd make for a more interesting story having the older ones mostly taken by surprise or ending up as small resistance forces.

I doubt they will remove marines, but I'm guessing within a few years old marines will be like Empire in AoS, you can still play your vintage army in these rules, similar to how people play all metal SM, or only RT era 40k as modern rules armies, and soon pre-2017 marines will be their own size category of vintage. I still think they will continue to make small batches of important things, but who knows. Either way, I absolutely love the new size. Feels right next to most other units

 Mirou wrote:
Did anyone else get the feeling of possible "order 66" from primaris marines made by crawl and all the distrust felix and guilliman feel towards him in the dark imperium Novell

No, but now that you mention it - Robute does have that Roman Empire's Caesar feel to him...

Maybe cawl has a hard wired order tp prevent them being used against him?

With the paranoia inside the IOM. Wiring them to turn against those against Cawl makes sense.

Come 9th edition, "Oh, all the current marines have upgraded to Primaris models, including all your favourites like Dante and Logan Grimnar. Those who refused have all died. Chadmarines only now. Got old models? feth you buy more, countsas is illegal now."

Keep in mind cawl also has an AI (one of the biggest tech heresies) of himself called cawl inferior and repeatedly has made requests to become fabricator general; the leader of the adeptus mechanicus. So there's definitely a lot of room for a cawl heresy.

I actually get the opposite feeling where the current Marines will betray the Imperium due to feeling being "replaced" by the Primaris Marines.

Whether or not they can be upgraded to primaris marines won't really matter, as the Heresy showed that any stigma from your lineage stays with you no matter what. Terran Marines in the Legions were often seen as below the marines born of the Primarch's home world (at least in the traitor legions) and Kor, even with his enhancements, was never seen as an equal to the astartes (which was only compounded by the fact that he was promoted to First Captain through nepotism).

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Come 9th edition, "Oh, all the current marines have upgraded to Primaris models, including all your favourites like Dante and Logan Grimnar. Those who refused have all died. Chadmarines only now. Got old models? feth you buy more, countsas is illegal now."

You got a source for that yet? You've posted it often enough - I'd have thought you might have some evidence.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Come 9th edition, "Oh, all the current marines have upgraded to Primaris models, including all your favourites like Dante and Logan Grimnar. Those who refused have all died. Chadmarines only now. Got old models? feth you buy more, countsas is illegal now."

You got a source for that yet? You've posted it often enough - I'd have thought you might have some evidence.

He's presented no evidence after any request because there is none. It's basically just his religion at this point.

 Selym wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Come 9th edition, "Oh, all the current marines have upgraded to Primaris models, including all your favourites like Dante and Logan Grimnar. Those who refused have all died. Chadmarines only now. Got old models? feth you buy more, countsas is illegal now."

You got a source for that yet? You've posted it often enough - I'd have thought you might have some evidence.

He's presented no evidence after any request because there is none. It's basically just his religion at this point.

honestly I think it's hilarious that people think GW is going to drop their most profitable product line over night. given the way they've worked the fluff etc, I expect GW to instead double dip for the next decade or so. essentially peddling two seperate armies to Marine players

I really hope with the things they have done so far, GW doesn't push the easy button even further and have a plotline where all the Primaris that Cawl created from Traitor geneseed go evil, just to give Primaris to Chaos.

Without the unique Deux Ex machina that happened to them and their Primarchs (especially with no Horus to really seed the doubt) during the Heresy, there's no reason they should be anything other than indoctrinated and loyal like regular Astartes of 40k, other than "Cawl pulled an Order 66 and he's secretly Dark Mechanicus and/or crazy", or "Chaos gods turn the decendents of traitors evil because they are jealous and Chaos needs big marines too, but never turned them in the last however many millenia that they have been secretly in service."

The traitor (and other 2) gene-lines haven't been put into deployment (yet). At least not according to Cawl. He thinks there aren't any problems and can't possibly be any problems, but Roboute has forbidden it.

Long term... well.


But honestly, Cawl is obviously crazy. But is also probably getting the feeling he isn't going to get what he wants [to be Fabricator General of Mars] out of all of this.

I have a feeling he's finally going to get tired of being snubbed by Roboute, and defect with his "forbidden" geneseed-lines. Or his AI will.

Which I guess is ok as tropes go, but is just so common a theme in sci-fi.

 Selym wrote:

 Mirou wrote:
Did anyone else get the feeling of possible "order 66" from primaris marines made by crawl and all the distrust felix and guilliman feel towards him in the dark imperium Novell

No, but now that you mention it - Robute does have that Roman Empire's Caesar feel to him...

Who will be Brutus???

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I have a feeling he's finally going to get tired of being snubbed by Roboute, and defect with his "forbidden" geneseed-lines. Or his AI will.

Which I guess is ok as tropes go, but is just so common a theme in sci-fi.

I dunno, it seems a natural plot progression but not sure they'll wanna do that with him as it could impact, negitivly, sales of his mini. I think if he was going to use a personal army of Primaris Marines he'd launch a coup on Mars.
which honestly could be an intreasting storyline. Gulliman may not be willing to make him Fabricator general, but would likely be willing to turn a blind eye to a coup attempt./

I'd much rather them being pawns in a Martian coup than them just turning to Chaos.

 SGrimhart wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Mirou wrote:
Did anyone else get the feeling of possible "order 66" from primaris marines made by crawl and all the distrust felix and guilliman feel towards him in the dark imperium Novell

No, but now that you mention it - Robute does have that Roman Empire's Caesar feel to him...

Who will be Brutus???

Sulla was far more effective, killed everyone who ever opposed him, became emperor in all but name and then retired to spend his waning years in pleasure seeking,.

he also had a very cool epitaph

No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full.

Maybe RG should look to him rather than Ceasar.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'd much rather them being pawns in a Martian coup than them just turning to Chaos.

I think a Martian coup could be a really neat idea. it'd allow for some good story progression, but in the long term, it'd likely have a minimal impact on the setting (especially if in the aftermath Gulliman took steps to ensure THAT wouldn't happen again)