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I purchased the Marine side of the box set and love em! For me, this is what the Marine scale should have been from the beginning, not the current Marine/Squat scale.

The Inceptor models look waaay better up close than they do in pictures. I think they are perfect for converting to a Chaplain or Captain with Jump Jets etc.

Bigger marines (which are really properly scaled, rather than oversized) really don't bother me much. It's the drastic tech advancement that makes me cringe. Marines did not need "Imperial Crisis Suits", especially, or suddenly advanced plasma technology.

I haven't bothered too much with the fluff on them yet so I have no idea on that, but I originally quite liked the idea of having a handful of these guys scattered through my regular squads (not sure if you can still do that or not), almost like Spartans scattered amongst ODST troops.

That said, I haven't picked any up yet because the more I look at the photos, the more they just kind of look like fatter versions of regular marines. Something about the armor makes me look at them like they have beer bellies. No one here has any so I haven't seen them in person. Anyone here who has seen them in person, do they look like that IRL, or is it just the photos playing tricks?

Tycho wrote:
I haven't bothered too much with the fluff on them yet so I have no idea on that, but I originally quite liked the idea of having a handful of these guys scattered through my regular squads (not sure if you can still do that or not), almost like Spartans scattered amongst ODST troops.

That said, I haven't picked any up yet because the more I look at the photos, the more they just kind of look like fatter versions of regular marines. Something about the armor makes me look at them like they have beer bellies. No one here has any so I haven't seen them in person. Anyone here who has seen them in person, do they look like that IRL, or is it just the photos playing tricks?

just the photo playing tricks, the captain in Gravis armor looks a little chunky, but thats it. (the gravis armor is understandable as well because it's basicly additional plates layered atop)

the standard intercessors look, beautiful.

After buying the Primaris half of Dark Imperium, at least to me, they are all beautifull. Even the captain and the Flying ones. Much better that regular Tactical marines.

I just don't like their size, I am not ok with models keep getting bigger, 6x4 staying the same, and having more and more models in a tighter area (it seems to me that the terrain rules were made to accomodate and I am not a fan of that either) that and there is just something "off" to me about them, I cant quite get it yet, but there is something about them i just dont like looks wise

The Primaris Marines are the reason I have aggressively bought my Battle Company of Blood Angels and the bits to finish them. I want to get every bit and model I want before they are eventually replaced. I don't see myself ever buying into the Primaris Marines models. I like them as models, I just hate the fluff.

 thekingofkings wrote:
I just don't like their size, I am not ok with models keep getting bigger, 6x4 staying the same, and having more and more models in a tighter area (it seems to me that the terrain rules were made to accomodate and I am not a fan of that either) that and there is just something "off" to me about them, I cant quite get it yet, but there is something about them i just dont like looks wise

I agree with all of this. Maybe if they produce a regular kit that isnt snap-fit and you can adjust the pose they will look better. I hope so because I sure cant seem to like them right now.

One of the thing I noticed in the pictures is that they all look like their heads are bent forward like they are trying to give you the angry stare down. I know someone will be along shortly to tell me it's easily fixable... just pointing out that its one of the things that look 'off' in the pictures.

I think the new jump guys look cool.

The heads are compatible but the shoulder pads are not because the primaris arms are attached to the shoulderpads.

I was tempted to buy the new primaris marines but if I gotta really hack and slash to fit some crimson fist shoulder pads on then im not interested.

The_Peacemaker wrote:
I think the new jump guys look cool.

The heads are compatible but the shoulder pads are not because the primaris arms are attached to the shoulderpads.

I was tempted to buy the new primaris marines but if I gotta really hack and slash to fit some crimson fist shoulder pads on then im not interested.

The jump guys I dislike the most, with the dread a close second, the rievers are right up there with my dislike. The whole line to me just looks wrong. there is nothing about the hovertank I like, I havent bothered with the fluff around them, I stick more with heresy and such. so I am not concerned there.

OgreChubbs wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Well I was never wowed by their fluff and rules and as times gone on I don't think I'll bother adding any to my space wolves.

Especially if they cost what I suspect they will.

What fluff? Do you mean the, oh hey we forgot we got like these billion super duper marines that are like super duper and amazing we just forgot about them til this other guy we forgot about popped up with them. You know the this thing always existed we just never talked about it til now. Even tho we told you resources where running low.


That's like the bigges, oh crap how do we end this story, I know the power was within the whole time...... Ya that's good.

Their real fluff is GW pockets where getting flat so they thought. Space marines are our best seller but are selling less, lets increase their cost and make them 1/10mm bigger. Then we can DOUBLE their price..... Makes perfect sense.

Well there's a little more to it than that. They're technically Heresy so the Mechanicus wouldn't have been able to tell anyone about it without claims of Heresy and having the whole army destroyed. The only one who could authorise it was the dude who asked for it to be made, Guilliman. And he had to be saved from his flash-frozen state which hasn't been a possibility until events got so dire that the Eldar had to step in and revive a Primarch.
Even after his revival and release of the Primaris, the only reason the Primaris are being accepted into Space Marine ranks is because Guilliman is saying so and because their efforts have proven invaluable against the war with Chaos, and he ranks above the High Lords, so there isn't much people can do.
It's a little cooler and more grim than people seem to give it credit for, imo. Any change can spark some controversy but I like it, personally.

It's absolutely to sell more models, though 100% more to help new people get into the hobby with a simple army to get into with awesome figures.

Im going to have to build a Black Templars army now so I can fight a crusade against the Primaris Marines.

 Kellevil wrote:
Im going to have to build a Black Templars army now so I can fight a crusade against the Primaris Marines.

my black templars are all mk 3 suits except the original emperors champ

 Albertorius wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
No beaks.
Enough said.

Agis already did that:

That is one sexy model.

Off to buy me some beakie heads.

At like a squillion dollars each.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Bigger marines (which are really properly scaled, rather than oversized) really don't bother me much. It's the drastic tech advancement that makes me cringe. Marines did not need "Imperial Crisis Suits", especially, or suddenly advanced plasma technology.

While I do agree that the whole "Technology is lost, and we don't know how any of this gak works" is kind of charming (and definitely a part of the 40k style), I think it's refreshing to see some new stuff. I mean sure, knowledge has been lost and tech priests are just basically following a cook book in order to build tanks etc, without knowing how anything really works, but then along comes Cawl with some NEW ideas for once. I actually like it, and I think it's what the Space Marine line up needs in order to stay fun.

Slightly different styles of Plasma cannons, or a new Rhino variant with slightly different armour plating (looking at you Stalker..) is only fun for so long. Give me something new and interesting to build and paint! This is why I love the Primaris.

It wouldn't be dakka if I didn't have to constantly scroll through salty thread titles looking for threads I actually want to look at.


While that is a bit of a joke statement, I also holds some truth, and can also serve, I think, as a much better analogy than the golf one.
All the salt and whining (at least whining in my eyes) is not an aspect of dakka dakka that I like. And yet it is undeniably a central part of the community. It is unavoidable, rather like the sliffy in changemod's post, or the primaris marines in 8th edition and presumably all subsequent editions.
And yet you don't find me posting threads about how terrible the salty aspect of the dakka community is, and generally I don't point it out when I see salty behaviour (or at least what I perceive to be salty behaviour), although here I'm obviously making an exception.
Equally, while I don't like it, I don't let that aspect get to me and let resentment simmer unexpressed. For the most part, I ignore it, or if I do engage with it (in the analogy that'd be playing against a primaris force) I try and understand the others' point of view, which I'm not always successful in doing.
But just because you don't like primaris, doesn't mean you have to buy it, or that it has forever made all 40k unenjoyable, as some people across some threads have suggested, although I don't think that's the case here.
Just because I don't like the salt on dakka, doesn't mean I have to participate or that it makes all dakka unenjoyable for me. I mostly stick to P&M, and when I do look a threads like these, I go in with a (fairly) open mind, rather than declaring how terrible these sorts of threads and comments are and how they ruin the whole experience.
This may sound a bit preachy along the "Hey, don't complain about the things you don't like!" vein or "Be more like me, I'm the model Dakkanaut," (which I'm not, I was temporarily banned a few years ago for throwing Rule 1 on a dumpster fire) but that's not my message. My message is tone it down a little bit and try to enjoy it, or maybe just tolerate it without it getting to you to much, even if it at first they ruin the new edition for you, or even if, like my new 'favourite' Dakkanaut, BaconCatBug, suggests, you believe that soon GW will phase out the adeptus astartes proper, which seems silly to me for a number of reasons.

Additionally, if you're wondering, I did buy Dark Imperium both so I could have fun painting something other than loyalist marines (I love the poxwalker sculpts and the plague marines are very cool), and to flesh out my Raptors who, in my headcannoon, are still trying to recover the numbers lost in the Badab wars, and it would make sense that as a depleted chapter they would be some of the first to receive and most eager to receive new priamris reinforcements.
I also intend to buy First Strike at some point, because I really want to flesh out my nurgle force, I want the reivers (which to me are very cool) and I have 2 of the free intercessors lying around so why not make another 5 man squad with the 3 they provide?

I'm working on a heretic primaris army with dark mechanicus. Because obviously cawl is dark Mech who made a deal with ruinous powers to be able to create gene seed better than the false omnissiah could, and papa smurf is a clone cawl made from the real one in stasis to take over the imperium from the inside with its most vaunted hero. I see no other valid explanation.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
It wouldn't be dakka if I didn't have to constantly scroll through salty thread titles looking for threads I actually want to look at.


While that is a bit of a joke statement, I also holds some truth, and can also serve, I think, as a much better analogy than the golf one.
All the salt and whining (at least whining in my eyes) is not an aspect of dakka dakka that I like. And yet it is undeniably a central part of the community. It is unavoidable, rather like the sliffy in changemod's post, or the primaris marines in 8th edition and presumably all subsequent editions.
And yet you don't find me posting threads about how terrible the salty aspect of the dakka community is, and generally I don't point it out when I see salty behaviour (or at least what I perceive to be salty behaviour), although here I'm obviously making an exception.
Equally, while I don't like it, I don't let that aspect get to me and let resentment simmer unexpressed. For the most part, I ignore it, or if I do engage with it (in the analogy that'd be playing against a primaris force) I try and understand the others' point of view, which I'm not always successful in doing.
But just because you don't like primaris, doesn't mean you have to buy it, or that it has forever made all 40k unenjoyable, as some people across some threads have suggested, although I don't think that's the case here.
Just because I don't like the salt on dakka, doesn't mean I have to participate or that it makes all dakka unenjoyable for me. I mostly stick to P&M, and when I do look a threads like these, I go in with a (fairly) open mind, rather than declaring how terrible these sorts of threads and comments are and how they ruin the whole experience.
This may sound a bit preachy along the "Hey, don't complain about the things you don't like!" vein or "Be more like me, I'm the model Dakkanaut," (which I'm not, I was temporarily banned a few years ago for throwing Rule 1 on a dumpster fire) but that's not my message. My message is tone it down a little bit and try to enjoy it, or maybe just tolerate it without it getting to you to much, even if it at first they ruin the new edition for you, or even if, like my new 'favourite' Dakkanaut, BaconCatBug, suggests, you believe that soon GW will phase out the adeptus astartes proper, which seems silly to me for a number of reasons.

Additionally, if you're wondering, I did buy Dark Imperium both so I could have fun painting something other than loyalist marines (I love the poxwalker sculpts and the plague marines are very cool), and to flesh out my Raptors who, in my headcannoon, are still trying to recover the numbers lost in the Badab wars, and it would make sense that as a depleted chapter they would be some of the first to receive and most eager to receive new priamris reinforcements.
I also intend to buy First Strike at some point, because I really want to flesh out my nurgle force, I want the reivers (which to me are very cool) and I have 2 of the free intercessors lying around so why not make another 5 man squad with the 3 they provide?

And it wouldn't be so bad if all the complaining/ragequit threads weren't invalidated by the same poster 1-2 months later latching back onto the GW teat and then proclaiming the exact opposite of whatever their hate thread was about. Not me. I think 8th is shaping up to be the combination of everything I disliked about AOS AND 2nd Ed 40K, so I will not be playing it. At all. In a year or even more, that stance will not change.

Looking at the points cost of Reivers, I'm really looking forward to them. Might add them to my 1st and 10th list, as support for my scouts. Depends on their rules and stats really, ninety points for ten T4 wounds (assuming they have ten wounds) is pretty solid.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:

This may sound a bit preachy along the "Hey, don't complain about the things you don't like!" vein or "Be more like me, I'm the model Dakkanaut," (which I'm not, I was temporarily banned a few years ago for throwing Rule 1 on a dumpster fire) but that's not my message. My message is tone it down a little bit and try to enjoy it, or maybe just tolerate it without it getting to you to much, even if it at first they ruin the new edition for you...

Isn't that basically the same thing as saying "Hey, don't complain about the things you don't like!"?

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
...you believe that soon GW will phase out the adeptus astartes proper, which seems silly to me for a number of reasons.

I don't see how that is silly at all. What other reason could they have for separating them entirely from the OG astartes? They aren't just new models with fluff indicating that they are brand new, bigger and better space marines, they come with rules that prohibit them from entering any current transport including land raiders. Centurions can fit into land raiders ffs. That suggests to me that they intend to make an entire line of Primaris models that will replace every function of the non-Primaris models, not because there is a good fluff reason but because new models means more £.

 Hollow wrote:
^^^ True.... did you not read the statement from GW describing how/when you need to return all of your existing models in order for them to be melted down and turned in Primaris marines. Ask BaconCatBug for the link. He has obviously read it.

Is this really a thing?

sossen wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:

This may sound a bit preachy along the "Hey, don't complain about the things you don't like!" vein or "Be more like me, I'm the model Dakkanaut," (which I'm not, I was temporarily banned a few years ago for throwing Rule 1 on a dumpster fire) but that's not my message. My message is tone it down a little bit and try to enjoy it, or maybe just tolerate it without it getting to you to much, even if it at first they ruin the new edition for you...

Isn't that basically the same thing as saying "Hey, don't complain about the things you don't like!"?

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
...you believe that soon GW will phase out the adeptus astartes proper, which seems silly to me for a number of reasons.

I don't see how that is silly at all. What other reason could they have for separating them entirely from the OG astartes? They aren't just new models with fluff indicating that they are brand new, bigger and better space marines, they come with rules that prohibit them from entering any current transport including land raiders. Centurions can fit into land raiders ffs. That suggests to me that they intend to make an entire line of Primaris models that will replace every function of the non-Primaris models, not because there is a good fluff reason but because new models means more £.

I'm not saying don't complain at all, I'm saying before you write something off completely and declare in the internet how terrible it is, give it a second chance.

And 1) Sms still make a huge chunk of GW's profit. If everyone suddenly went for primaris and abandoned normal SMs (which given threads like these we can be fairly confident won't happen), then they might have incentive to remove the line, but it's not like GW just remove things because they don't sell enough. Do you think in the board meetings they look at the least selling models and just cull them? Yes, they did it to Fantasy, but that was an entire game. The comparison to Sms in 40k being removed as the only thing? It's laughable.

2) What's more, the player backlash would be so gigantic that it could well kill the company, or at least cripple it for years to come, and they know that. To quote the faction focus from Warhammer community on the space marines, "While considered by many in the Imperium to be heroes, they are undeniably monsters to their enemies. The most popular faction in the Warhammer 40,000 universe is coming back with reinforcements, the new Primaris Space Marines." Gw have been the ones always pushing SMs as the flagship faction of the game and the setting, most of 40k revolves around them, you think they'd just throw it away because of a new line that they have already made sure can't replace astartes in the fluff because in the Dark Imperium book it says that 4% of the chapters have refused primaris reinforcements. Do you know what that means? It means "hey little timmy, your homebrew chapter never has to involve primaris, go on, keep using normal SM, we've written it in, just say you're one of those chapters." They have pre-planned for people to have chapters without any primaris, and for mixed chapters, and for fully prmaris forces. It's almost like theyhave some understanding of their customers and don't want to piss them off too much by invalidating an army that half the fanbase cares about.

3) So what they can't get in the normal vehicles? They're gonna have their own transport, great. They already have their own equipment that the normal astartes don't use, and equally, they don't use normal astartes equipment. Saying they don't use astartes vehicles = must replace astartes is as silly as saying they don't use boltguns = must replace astartes. Before you knew the specific rules, you must have seen the boltrifles, the new mark of armour, the new hellblaster guns. Did you think to yourself at that point, "Obviously meant to supersede the astartes both in the fluff and in being sold at all because they use a different set of equipment,"?

4) As it stands, the primaris are already set out not to replace every function of the normal marines, both in the fluff and on the tabletop. To quote from the Warhammer community primaris FAQ, "Marine to Marine, they certainly have some advantages over a Tactical Squad, but it comes at a cost. These guys will cost more points than standard Space Marines, so you’ll have fewer of them, and their weapon options will be different. For maximum tactical punch, you’ll want to bring all your Space Marines to the tabletop." And we've seen this already. Intercessors, while having nicer boltguns and 2 wounds, have no tactical flexibility in terms of special weapons, the special weapons role being performed by the hellblasters, who also have no flexibility, same for the inceptors, and we've only see two options for the primaris dreadnought and one for the transport. The primaris fulfil a different set of roles to the normal astartes, and while there is some overlap, GW would have to go back and change everything they have done so far regarding primaris marines to make them a suitable replacement for normal SMs in terms of function.


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 Jarl of Vashon wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
^^^ True.... did you not read the statement from GW describing how/when you need to return all of your existing models in order for them to be melted down and turned in Primaris marines. Ask BaconCatBug for the link. He has obviously read it.

Is this really a thing?

It's a joke because BaconCatBug believes firmly, and I would disagree with him, that by 9th edition, whenever that may be, all Adeptus Astartes will be replaced by the Primaris Marines.

My biggest issue is the limited transport options.....

Why can't they go in a LR and SR again?

Gibs55 wrote:
My biggest issue is the limited transport options.....

Why can't they go in a LR and SR again?

Why can't they use boltguns and take special and heavy weapons? Also, since primaris are imperial forces, why can't guard use rhinos? It's good enough for all the other imperial factions, minus adepus mechanicus and the primaris. Why should guard only get the chimera and taurox when they could easily use the rhino like most the others get to?
Answer : because they don't.

the most likely answer why they can't use rhinos etc is because GW wants to ensure sales of the new vehicle. particularly when chances are a LOT of people are going to be selling old rhinos and razorbacks now that the Gladius is no longer "a thing"

I definatly agree GW'll be double dipping for ages to come, GW's gone out of their WAY to ensure Primaris Marines compliment not replace standard marines. That'd NOT be the case if they wanted to replace Marines, if they did they'd deliberatly make intercessor squads a superior tac squad.

I like the Primaris Marines because they are more correctly sized for once, other Space Marines are too tiny.

I'd also like an equivalent for Chaos Marines however.

For the Hover Tank, I like the design overall but the amount of weapons is stupid, I'd probably focus them a little instead of covering it in missile boxes etc.

I like primaris more than I did when they were first announced. The fluff is stupid, but I do love the models and, inceptors aside, the rules.

 Melissia wrote:
I like primaris more than I did when they were first announced. The fluff is stupid, but I do love the models and, inceptors aside, the rules.

and even the fluff we've not really gotten a whole lot of, Dark Imperium is about it. there are a LOT of things we still don't know. the new marine codex'll be really important IMHO on finally selling these new marines to the community. there are orginizational questions that need to be answered, as well as things like what are the 3 additional organs primaris have etc

Nah, I don't think I'll ever like their fluff. I can't separate the rather lame fluff so far from the fact that it's still just GW trying to release a marine that's marine-ier than previous marines, and even if it kinda gets better, it's not going to move in a direction I like.

But I can appreciate the aesthetics.

GW is in business to make money, and I don't mind that because I enjoy the product they make. Part of the reason I enjoy the product is the fluff, and primaris marines are a complete gak show in the fluff department. Which is fine if I don't have to buy them, however I can't really escape them in 8th ed fluff. I don't mind facing them on the tabletop, they are a tad predictable but not overpowered. The part that grinds my gears is their constant and jarring intrusion into the fluff, did you try and read the main rulebooks fluff it was a primaris marine wankfest.

GWs intention to make primaris marines mutually exclusive with existing marines is made obvious by things like the exclusivity of their transports, sorry primaris marines won't ride in rhinos or land raiders, and normal marines can't ride in their transports because the seatbelts are different or something. There is also the fact GW has been cagey about their plans for the existing marines. It's pretty obvious they are seeing what they can get away with. I'm not in the GW is trying to squat your marines camp, but it seems their intentions are to go forward with primaris marines exclusively and let Old marines wither on the vine.