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Melissia wrote: Nah, I don't think I'll ever like their fluff. I can't separate the rather lame fluff so far from the fact that it's still just GW trying to release a marine that's marine-ier than previous marines, and even if it kinda gets better, it's not going to move in a direction I like.
But I can appreciate the aesthetics.
Right, I'm talking in gernalities, the fluff right now is pretty thread bare. and the new marine codex is going to really have to sell these guys well. if tyhe new codex thoughtfully explains them, folds them into the lore in a fashion that works for most people and is even seen as kinda neat. People'll respond one way to em. on the other hand if it reads like they're written by a 9 year old who thinks Matt Ward's stuff was boring and needs to be "MORE EPIC!" well... Primaris marines are gonna be DOA for most.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I don't really have any strong feelings about the BigMarines. I neither hate them nor love them.
What I do like is despite them being new, they aren't smeared with bling the way it seemed like GWS was going with Chaos a while back. They can have a nice, clean look. I very much like the new bolt rifles - the tactical rails look great. Using the old shoulderpad size means the shoulderpads no longer look ridiculously proportioned. Do they have the same head size, too? If so, that's pretty baller. Lieutenants look great.
In the unclear camp, do Intercessors just hover over a battle shooting? Their poses are either terrible or acceptable - they look terrible if they're the new assault space marines, but if they're just 2 handed gun platforms hovering, I'm good with it.
On the downsides: I think it's pretty obvious that GWS is going to transition all new Space Marine stuff over to their new platform because they can legally defend that IP better. Screwing up the scale of the game as a reaction to Chapterhouse seems a little excessive and kind of bones people who invested in Space Marine armies in a few years. As mentioned, making them all larger also means I assume larger vehicles, which again is a problem since table size isn't bigger.
I like the idea of Aggressors but need to see the models.
My biggest beefs are small and inconsequential, of course. The Primaris Captain from the starter set is horribly posed - he looks like he has a big beer belly and you can just see him carrying a sixer of Natty Light in that powerfist. Only a problem if you get the starter set, obviously. However, the actual standalone Primaris Captain is a terrible value for his pretty high price.
I don't like the reiver's skull helmets, but only because I liked it when only Chaplains had helmets like that. It's diluting the Chaplain brand.
The Primaris Dreadnought looks like a fat marble with guns in it.
Hellblasters is a terrible name and whoever came up with it should be fired.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Grimgold wrote: GWs intention to make primaris marines mutually exclusive with existing marines is made obvious by things like the exclusivity of their transports, sorry primaris marines won't ride in rhinos or land raiders, and normal marines can't ride in their transports because the seatbelts are different or something. There is also the fact GW has been cagey about their plans for the existing marines. It's pretty obvious they are seeing what they can get away with. I'm not in the GW is trying to squat your marines camp, but it seems their intentions are to go forward with primaris marines exclusively and let Old marines wither on the vine.
By now, I think, we can be reasonably certain that the current Space Marine line will not be staying with us forever. The question will be how it's handled by GW going forward. Primaris Marines didn't get the worst possible introduction to the game, but it was far from the best. I don't think we'll be seeing the actual consequences of this until we start seeing the codexes drop. And we won't really hear from the people who are unhappy about the NuMarines until we make it to a year or so without a new release for regular Space Marines. The next 6-12 months will make or break 40k, mark my words!
Just Tony wrote:Not me. I think 8th is shaping up to be the combination of everything I disliked about AOS AND 2nd Ed 40K, so I will not be playing it. At all. In a year or even more, that stance will not change.
Dangit, we need a RemindMe bot or something like they've got on reddit so this won't be forgotten... As it is, all I can do is tell Google to remind me and save the post!
I just don't get where the idea of current marines are going away is coming from. I mean it is a possibility sure but the writing is far from on the wall. chapters are accepting them at if memory serves around the 90% integration level. this even gives room to leave regular marines in as loyalist chapters who do not accept the new larger brethren stay in business. Additionally I am sure some space marines chapters will keep both and while I could see regular astartes being a sort of in between humans and primaris with niche rolls think something like the current roll of scouts I don't see them disappearing completely ever. I think GW knows compelte phaseout would piss off so much of their fanbase that they would never completely phase them out (I can see them consolidating them though)
People were cool with truescale. However, the "fluff reasons" were handled in a very hamfisted way to avoid invalidating old armies...nevermind that this isn't the first time there was such a range of "new models".
I'm more or less indifferent. I saw potential in the Garvis Captain and bought half a dozen of him off ebay. (4 bucks a pop and they still try to sell the new one for 35...) I've ditched the arms and re-positioned all the legs. They're going to be counting as a biker techmarine squad for my all-terminator army. Other than that I just don't care. The models are meh and the rules are meh-er. Weather or not GW stops releasing kits is irrelevant to an army's staying power. When was the last time sisters got a non- Celestine release?
KingCorpus wrote: Primaris marines in general are a joke. The game did not need them, nor did anyone even want them.
I wont be buying any of them, and will only play against them if I absolutely have to (Tournie setting)
I have never been tested this hard to NOT be salty.
Emperor preserve me.
So I'm curious, what army do you play?
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MattKing wrote: I'm more or less indifferent. I saw potential in the Garvis Captain and bought half a dozen of him off ebay. (4 bucks a pop and they still try to sell the new one for 35...) I've ditched the arms and re-positioned all the legs. They're going to be counting as a biker techmarine squad for my all-terminator army. Other than that I just don't care. The models are meh and the rules are meh-er. Weather or not GW stops releasing kits is irrelevant to an army's staying power. When was the last time sisters got a non- Celestine release?
in fairness, the rules are "eh" because GW took the time to balance them. it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. if intercessors where amazing and better then taticals in every way we'd have been complaining about tat, saying GW is "making the rules so good to force us to buy the new marines"
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Talizvar wrote: Well, easiest means of getting GW do stop a trend of theirs is to not buy it.
I too am suspicious of the "true-scale" marines being the eventual replacement.
Was it not enough to large-size the bases to our marines? (I do agree that proportion-wise they sit better on them though).
I think the group of them in the starter-box is just fine.
I suspect GW will not want to change any normal marine kit for quite some time (need to pay off the mold tooling some 100x first!).
So like them or not, I anticipate they will be flogging all kinds of models for these guys for the majority of marine releases.
It will be interesting to see where the focus will be next.
Possibly a new IG/AM Joe-grunt box set?
I think it is the same models since they came out of pewter.
Speaking of that, I wonder how many "active" marine character models are still in the tiny old Terminator armor?
I think a friend of mine uses his really old metal Orks as Gretchin/Goblins since the size difference is that substantial.
I guess from all those wandering asides I am making is that scale creep has been an on-going thing with GW.
It is another means of building obsolescence of old models since their greatest competition is people selling off their old collections.
Nothing to be suspicious about. They are most certainly going to end phasing out the old marines. It's just going to be over a long period (like 8-10 years).
Nothing to be suspicious about. They are most certainly going to end phasing out the old marines. It's just going to be over a long period (like 8-10 years).
They want us to buy a whole new army. You'll be able to use the old marines, but the primaris marines will be the standard going forwards.
They can now introduce a whole new range of minis.
KingCorpus wrote: Primaris marines in general are a joke. The game did not need them, nor did anyone even want them.
I wont be buying any of them, and will only play against them if I absolutely have to (Tournie setting)
I have never been tested this hard to NOT be salty.
Emperor preserve me.
So I'm curious, what army do you play?
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MattKing wrote: I'm more or less indifferent. I saw potential in the Garvis Captain and bought half a dozen of him off ebay. (4 bucks a pop and they still try to sell the new one for 35...) I've ditched the arms and re-positioned all the legs. They're going to be counting as a biker techmarine squad for my all-terminator army. Other than that I just don't care. The models are meh and the rules are meh-er. Weather or not GW stops releasing kits is irrelevant to an army's staying power. When was the last time sisters got a non- Celestine release?
in fairness, the rules are "eh" because GW took the time to balance them. it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. if intercessors where amazing and better then taticals in every way we'd have been complaining about tat, saying GW is "making the rules so good to force us to buy the new marines"
I believe that there is something right about this.
GW wants primos to have a non redundant role and found some decent ones.
But they would have been better off giving all the weenies two wounds except maybe scouts.
And just introduced primos this way as a generic model upgrade with helmets that swap.
As it is they invited any religious imperial players to tag them as heresy and ignore them from the start.
My beef frankly. Plus being beakless.
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Personally hate the lore, all of them aside from the incersorators or what ever they are called, standard bolt gun guys, look horrible, The rest look aweful or out of place or in horrible poses. I feel like nu-marines suffer the same problem the new AoS dwarfs do, they are just way to over designed.
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