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 Mr Morden wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
IIRC Thousand Sons are supposed to be somewhere in the 5-8th codex slots.

Its as bad as I thought - 5+ Marine Codex's in the first 8.

It could be worse, if it really is AdMech and IG after DG then at least it wont be 9 of the first 10.

TS and SW seem like they could be another book + cards only release together, like gk and csm are coming. Say one or two more codices with actual model ranges, interspersed with pairs of book only ones.

I'm actually happy Tyranids are a way aways gives time and hope that they'll give us two new kits - Bio/Pyro vore duel plastic and Death leaper/Lictor duel plastic. Expect them to be like the rest so 3 man boxed sets. That also strips Tyranids of all Finecast barring the Red Terror who'd be icing on the cake if we get a new model for the Terror!

yea... I really hope that if dark eldar are one of the last that we better have some new units and/or get our Special characters back like vect, lady malys, the duke etc.. It would be pretty criminal for them to make us wait so long only to just really give us a couple of stratagems here and there.

Luthon1234 wrote:
yea... I really hope that if dark eldar are one of the last that we better have some new units and/or get our Special characters back like vect, lady malys, the duke etc.. It would be pretty criminal for them to make us wait so long only to just really give us a couple of stratagems here and there.

Agreed. Dark Eldar need something big in plastic to compete against the other Lords of War anyway, and Vect could fit the bill

If that's true, I have to say I'm surprised. I'd have thought space wolves would be a definite for the first ten especially over the GK.

Daedalus81 wrote:

Yes, we know.

That's from 4chan.

Oh--and it was wrong.
It should have immediately been clear to people that this was wrong seeing as how it had Space Marines releasing on a Thursday but since we need more wrongness...
CSM+GK release on Saturday, August 12th.

That's 2 wrongs, and the person even had the audacity to post it on Friday the 21st--Codex: Space Marines went up for preorder on 7/22...and we even had this WH Community article on July 16th telling you that on July 22nd it would be up for preorder.

 warboss wrote:
If that's true, I have to say I'm surprised. I'd have thought space wolves would be a definite for the first ten especially over the GK.

Maybe they figure the recent book series makes up for the lack of a SW release? Just a guess.

I am honestly surprised that Tau and IG are getting their codexes so soon. I thought they were gonna focus on the SM vs Chaos until year's end.

I'm having a BraIn Fart here, who is TS ?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

Spoiler:

Yes, we know.

That's from 4chan.

Oh--and it was wrong.
It should have immediately been clear to people that this was wrong seeing as how it had Space Marines releasing on a Thursday but since we need more wrongness...
CSM+GK release on Saturday, August 12th.

That's 2 wrongs, and the person even had the audacity to post it on Friday the 21st--Codex: Space Marines went up for preorder on 7/22...and we even had this WH Community article on July 16th telling you that on July 22nd it would be up for preorder.

Then, GW or Apple, depending on where it occurred, had the wrong dates on iBooks for the CSM pre-order, so to dismiss the whole thing based on some slightly incorrect info may not be the the smartest idea either. I mean, to have the SM book release on a Thursday is a really stupid thing to do if you're just making dates up and know that Saturday is release day, to the point that some error may actually be more likely.


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 adamsouza wrote:
I'm having a BraIn Fart here, who is TS ?

Thousand Sons.

Daedalus81 wrote:

Spoiler:

That list has the wrong date for Chaos and Grey Knights as they release this Saturday, not next Saturday.

I suspect that each of Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels will be released with just a Primaris upgrade sprue, and will therefore be paired off with someone else. I know they're due new characters, but I reckon they'll come out with future campaign supplements. That's just a hunch, mind you.

If that release schedule is correct, it will probably mean that neither T'au or AM get much in the way of new minis, which would be disappointing. I'm foolishly waiting for plastic Steel Legion

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
TS and SW seem like they could be another book + cards only release together, like gk and csm are coming. Say one or two more codices with actual model ranges, interspersed with pairs of book only ones.

Actually, I think TS are supposed to have a few more models on the way.

If you compare the size of the DG release to the TS release, the DG is far, far bigger-and justifiyable as a stand-alone codex.

Thousand sons, as long as their unique unit count is so low, do not justify a stand-alone codex too much.

 Overread wrote:
I'm actually happy Tyranids are a way aways gives time and hope that they'll give us two new kits - Bio/Pyro vore duel plastic and Death leaper/Lictor duel plastic. Expect them to be like the rest so 3 man boxed sets. That also strips Tyranids of all Finecast barring the Red Terror who'd be icing on the cake if we get a new model for the Terror!

New Ravenor kit with optional Red Terror upgrade would be great.


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 Overread wrote:
I'm actually happy Tyranids are a way aways gives time and hope that they'll give us two new kits - Bio/Pyro vore duel plastic and Death leaper/Lictor duel plastic. Expect them to be like the rest so 3 man boxed sets. That also strips Tyranids of all Finecast barring the Red Terror who'd be icing on the cake if we get a new model for the Terror!

New Ravenor kit with optional Red Terror upgrade would be great.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
TS and SW seem like they could be another book + cards only release together, like gk and csm are coming. Say one or two more codices with actual model ranges, interspersed with pairs of book only ones.

Actually, I think TS are supposed to have a few more models on the way.

If you compare the size of the DG release to the TS release, the DG is far, far bigger-and justifiyable as a stand-alone codex.

Thousand sons, as long as their unique unit count is so low, do not justify a stand-alone codex too much.

Honestly, this is what scares me.
TS have 5 unique options. If we dont see more releases im confident the codex will be a joke.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

Spoiler:

Yes, we know.

That's from 4chan.

Oh--and it was wrong.
It should have immediately been clear to people that this was wrong seeing as how it had Space Marines releasing on a Thursday but since we need more wrongness...
CSM+GK release on Saturday, August 12th.

That's 2 wrongs, and the person even had the audacity to post it on Friday the 21st--Codex: Space Marines went up for preorder on 7/22...and we even had this WH Community article on July 16th telling you that on July 22nd it would be up for preorder.

Then, GW or Apple, depending on where it occurred, had the wrong dates on iBooks for the CSM pre-order, so to dismiss the whole thing based on some slightly incorrect info may not be the the smartest idea either. I mean, to have the SM book release on a Thursday is a really stupid thing to do if you're just making dates up and know that Saturday is release day, to the point that some error may actually be more likely.

I actually had the Thursday wrong--so that date was correct--but by the time that post was made on 4chan(Friday July 21st at 1:52pm)--we knew that Space Marines were coming up for preorder the very next day(July 22nd) and thus would be releasing the next Saturday.

We also knew(from the articles posted by GW on the Community page) that CSM+GK were next, with them being mentioned as coming together--and that Death Guard would be "arriving after that".

But the simple fact that they have things listed as August 19th for CSM+GK tells us that it's someone who was going off other people's rumors and then throwing their own into the mix.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
TS and SW seem like they could be another book + cards only release together, like gk and csm are coming. Say one or two more codices with actual model ranges, interspersed with pairs of book only ones.

Actually, I think TS are supposed to have a few more models on the way.

If you compare the size of the DG release to the TS release, the DG is far, far bigger-and justifiyable as a stand-alone codex.

Thousand sons, as long as their unique unit count is so low, do not justify a stand-alone codex too much.

The TS release isn't that small is it? Currently we have (TS on the left, DG on the right):


Rubric Marines - Plague Marines
Scarab Occult Terminators - (potential) Deathshroud Terminators
Tzaangors - Poxwalkers
Magnus the Red - Mortarion
Ahriman - (Potential) Typhus
Exalted Sorcerors/Sorcerors on Discs - Lord of Contagion/Malignant Poxcaster/Blightcaster

Granted, DG has three very different characters compared to TS's (basically) one character in different flavours, but release-wise it's still roughly the same. The only thing DG has on TS are the two vehicles; the Bloat Drone and (Potential) Plague Crawler (the Beast of Nurgle thingy might be a Daemon thing instead, and if we're counting that the TS also got everything Tzeentch related in their release too).

You can add the Tallyman to the list of Death Guard HQ's, or possibly an Elite (because if you had shown me what the Noxious Blightbringer does without telling me his FO slot I would have bet money on him being an HQ...). There might be even more stuff that hasn't been unveiled yet since we're pretty sparse on information.

I think the Thousand Sons will probably get stuff ported over from other games. Some of the other Age of Sigmar Tzaangors and the Osiron Contemptor would flesh things out enough for Thousand Sons to be an army unto its own right.

Arachnofiend wrote:
You can add the Tallyman to the list of Death Guard HQ's, or possibly an Elite (because if you had shown me what the Noxious Blightbringer does without telling me his FO slot I would have bet money on him being an HQ...). There might be even more stuff that hasn't been unveiled yet since we're pretty sparse on information.

I think the Thousand Sons will probably get stuff ported over from other games. Some of the other Age of Sigmar Tzaangors and the Osiron Contemptor would flesh things out enough for Thousand Sons to be an army unto its own right.

It would be easy for them to port the Vortex Mutalith beast thing from Fantasy into 40K as a massive tzeentch spawn critter. But not all codices are going to be the same size/ include the same number/equivalences of units. Thousand Sons vs Codex CSM is more like Codex GK vs Codex SM, while Death Guard could be more like the Dark Angels book in terms of more overall content and more options.

one thing about 1k Sons is they also kept stuff the death guard lost.

1k sons have lost access too:
Chaos Space Marines/Chosen
Havocs
Chaos Lords,
Dark Apostles
Warp Smith
Possesed
Chaos Terminators


so really once you look at what they lost from the chaos space marine codex the only obvious thing they lost are a lot of the HQs, I could see thus a small scale release with some new special HQ units for the 1k sons, I could also just see 1K sons being given multiple power tres to try and make it os there is more varity in what their sorcs can do. so while a space marine army might have a captain a lt, a chaplain and a libby, 1k sons might have 3 or 4 differant sorcs can be able to use them as buff machines offensive machines etc, with suprising flexability.

Meanwhile when you look at the death guard what they lost becomes a lot more apparent,

They've lost access to all the new deamon engines, as well as vindicators, hence they need a nech vehicle much more then 1k sons.

so yeah I expect the 1k son release if they get one will be pretty small and likely will be simply a few differant varities of HQ.

Well the DG index release didn't have Terminators, but obviously they are getting Terminators of some variety, so it's likely that the index versions are going to be changed up. The only real things we can go by are the releases.

Also I would not count T-sons as having lost Chaos Terminators because the Scarab Occult Terminators are basically unique to them if I recall.

Another thing about the TS releases is that they were combined with Tzeentch Daemons. In the same release they got a new Changling, the Lord of Change, and Brimstone/Blue Horrors. But obviously those are Chaos Daemons units so I didn't count them.

One thing I suspect might happen is that T-Sons will get a squad of sorcerors, which can make the Exalted Sorcerors box pull double duty. Alternatively, they get the Tzaangor casters from AoS. As for DG, I'm kinda expecting the Terminators to come in two flavours (normal with blight launcher upgrade and the Deathshroud CC terminators) while the DG boxset will also pull double duty as normal Plague Marines and Death Guard Havocs.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I actually had the Thursday wrong--so that date was correct--but by the time that post was made on 4chan(Friday July 21st at 1:52pm)--we knew that Space Marines were coming up for preorder the very next day(July 22nd) and thus would be releasing the next Saturday.

We also knew(from the articles posted by GW on the Community page) that CSM+GK were next, with them being mentioned as coming together--and that Death Guard would be "arriving after that".

But the simple fact that they have things listed as August 19th for CSM+GK tells us that it's someone who was going off other people's rumors and then throwing their own into the mix.

As an aside, this is what I have listed for this one:
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - August 2017
SM - July 29th ALREADY TRUE
CSM + GK - August 19th FALSE
DG - September 23rd
Tau and AM - October 7th
Tyranid and BA - November 11th
Necrons and TS - December 9th

4chan is like 95% false in the tracker. And yes, I know 4chan is an amalgamation.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
TS and SW seem like they could be another book + cards only release together, like gk and csm are coming. Say one or two more codices with actual model ranges, interspersed with pairs of book only ones.

Actually, I think TS are supposed to have a few more models on the way.

If you compare the size of the DG release to the TS release, the DG is far, far bigger-and justifiyable as a stand-alone codex.

Thousand sons, as long as their unique unit count is so low, do not justify a stand-alone codex too much.

The TS release isn't that small is it? Currently we have (TS on the left, DG on the right):


Rubric Marines - Plague Marines
Scarab Occult Terminators - (potential) Deathshroud Terminators
Tzaangors - Poxwalkers
Magnus the Red - Mortarion
Ahriman - (Potential) Typhus
Exalted Sorcerors/Sorcerors on Discs - Lord of Contagion/Malignant Poxcaster/Blightcaster

Granted, DG has three very different characters compared to TS's (basically) one character in different flavours, but release-wise it's still roughly the same. The only thing DG has on TS are the two vehicles; the Bloat Drone and (Potential) Plague Crawler (the Beast of Nurgle thingy might be a Daemon thing instead, and if we're counting that the TS also got everything Tzeentch related in their release too).

I think there are a few easy adds that could flesh out the Thousand Sons a little more. The Osiron Contemptor is an easy one, as are the Tzaangor options from Age of Sigmar (a straight port with no real remodeling required). Plastic sprues that give you the option to turn Rubric Marines into something similar to the old Khenetai or Ammitara Thousand Sons would also be welcome, and probably not that hard to make.

More than anything, though, I think the Sons will benefit from new rules and options. My biggest suggestion would be giving them a way to circumvent the Rule of One in matched play, so that (for example) different psykers can use Prescience in the same psychic phase. Maybe it's a stratagem or something if there's a concern about abuse (it certainly wouldn't make sense for it to be the legion-wide rule, since it would be useless in narrative and open play). But part of the theory behind the Sons has always been that they so utterly dominate the psychic phase that their army can afford to be smaller and have less "normal" options than other legions. Having most of the psykers in our army effectively be Smite-hurlers (and gimped Smite-hurlers at that with respect to Aspiring Sorcerers) feels a little weak and limiting to me. Putting in rules representing the five ancient Prosperine Cult Arcana would also be a nice way to boost our versatility without having to create new models.

And for God's sake, make Magnus immune to Perils again! He has a hard-enough time surviving while being the enormous red un-hideable target he is!

Ammitara don't have power armor, so unlikely to have them as a mere upgrade sprue.

I don't think we'll see any 30k ports for TS unfortunatly.

According to this quote Codex: Thousand Sons is going to be released "very soon"

Via War of Sigmar comments on Disqus

1k sons makes sense to me, they've already gotten their unique units

Yes, it looks like a brief release, only book and cards

Assuming an alternating release order between loyalists and traitors, we must be a loyalist release between Death Guard and Thounsand Sons.
My best guess are Space Wolves as they have a little "history" with them. They would also have a full model range available, so GW could make money with each unit in the codex.