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At the start of this new edition I was thinking it was a good time to start a new army. I made my choice, and Black Legion force it would become, with basic troops, terminators, elite marked Cult units, simply a lot. Then I started reading the Chaos Index. Mind you, I did this the moment the Index Chaos lay in my hands. By now I know the Codex Heretic Astartes is well on its way (with Death Guard to follow as a separate faction). I noticed something odd. As far as I can tell, there are a few options in the Index books, that were not available in the previous edition Codex.

A Chaos Space Marine squad could have one trooper replace his boltgun with a special weapon. If the squad numbered 10 or more, another CSM could exchange his boltgun for either a special weapon, or a heavy weapon. The current index allows the first trooper to exchange his boltgun for a special or heavy weapon as well, which could lead to a 10-strong CSM squad, toting 2 heavy weapons. This was not an option in 7th.
Likewise, in 8th a Khorne Berzerker unit can have the Berzerkers exchange a weapon for the chainaxe.Previously they could just take a chainaxe with no hint of replacing a weapon.
Long story shorter; a lot of options seem to have changed, opening new modeling options and weapon loadouts.

I know there isn't an answer in stone, as we simply have no real indications of how the new Codices will look, and be edited/laid out. But why do I have the feeling that the Codex will change some of these squad options, again, so that some newly modeled models can be pulled apart again, because of changing options mere weeks/a few months after the Indices have dropped?

From what I can tell, the new codeces are more like additions to the indeces rather than a rehash with new stuff, i.e. the codeces won't actually contain rules for models that are already in the indeces.

Here's the contents according to the Warhammer Community site:

Yet, from what I can tell:

Are the rules changing?
Yes, many units’ rules in their codexes will alter from those in the indexes. Sometimes this is to better represent the miniatures and the background, sometimes to balance the game, and sometimes to better fit with the army’s new special rules in the codex itself. In all cases, these will then supersede the rules for that datasheet in the index book.

( https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/ )

This little snippet from the "Codexes: Your Questions Answered" on the Warhammer-Community seems to indicate something completely different.
That's why I was starting to wonder.

Man didnt see that picture.

Come on chapter tactics.

Dorns children needs his heavy fire power.

I can't imagine they would change too much from the indexes except to add things, with the few exceptions being for balance issues.

If you're really worried wait to see the marine codex and see if much changes there, or wait for the chaos codex to be sure.

 mrhappyface wrote:
From what I can tell, the new codeces are more like additions to the indeces rather than a rehash with new stuff, i.e. the codeces won't actually contain rules for models that are already in the indeces.

Here's the contents according to the Warhammer Community site:

Sub Faction Rules...
Chaos Legions?

Space Marines are finally going to get to use Thousand Sons and Death Guard!

 Desubot wrote:
Man didnt see that picture.

Come on chapter tactics.

Dorns children needs his heavy fire power.

How much do you think that will cost or what will they loose to get it?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Man didnt see that picture.

Come on chapter tactics.

Dorns children needs his heavy fire power.

How much do you think that will cost or what will they loose to get it?

I want to say its going to be some flavor of detachment for stratagems kinda forcing a build to avoid spam.

i could be wrong though.

 Desubot wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Man didnt see that picture.

Come on chapter tactics.

Dorns children needs his heavy fire power.

How much do you think that will cost or what will they loose to get it?

I want to say its going to be some flavor of detachment for stratagems kinda forcing a build to avoid spam.

i could be wrong though.

That does not sound like paying for the power boost? I really really hope they don;t just hand out Chapter Tactics for free.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Man didnt see that picture.

Come on chapter tactics.

Dorns children needs his heavy fire power.

How much do you think that will cost or what will they loose to get it?

I want to say its going to be some flavor of detachment for stratagems kinda forcing a build to avoid spam.

i could be wrong though.

That does not sound like paying for the power boost? I really really hope they don;t just hand out Chapter Tactics for free.

yeah not sure how it would work.

it cant be a set cost like 20 points for the army as its not going to scale

honestly while it may be "free" its also fairly limited if going the stratagems route.

and in the end it could just be something like for 2 reroll all failed hit rolls with a dev squad for imp fists, for 2 you may leave combat and shoot and charge for white scars (hit and run).

i will be fine with some free light power ups as long as it isnt your army gets free dedicated transports.

They could also just charge a set amount of points to use a specific detachment if it has special rules involved.

 Desubot wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Man didnt see that picture.

Come on chapter tactics.

Dorns children needs his heavy fire power.

How much do you think that will cost or what will they loose to get it?

I want to say its going to be some flavor of detachment for stratagems kinda forcing a build to avoid spam.

i could be wrong though.

That does not sound like paying for the power boost? I really really hope they don;t just hand out Chapter Tactics for free.

yeah not sure how it would work.

it cant be a set cost like 20 points for the army as its not going to scale

honestly while it may be "free" its also fairly limited if going the stratagems route.

and in the end it could just be something like for 2 reroll all failed hit rolls with a dev squad for imp fists, for 2 you may leave combat and shoot and charge for white scars (hit and run).

i will be fine with some free light power ups as long as it isnt your army gets free dedicated transports.

pts per model for a reaonable boost would likely work.

Are you thinking that the new Strategy rolls only work if you have a "pure" sub faction force or just on the given sub-faction models - could get messy if the latter and mutiple subfacitons in your army. Keeping track of all the possiblities etc.

They could also just charge a set amount of points to use a specific detachment if it has special rules involved.

Do we know they are doing unique detachments as that smells an awful like Formations - and that was a terrible smell.

Yeah like i said i dont know

i dont mind it being a pure faction only thing or specific stratagems can only be used with specific faction key words or even more specific units.

its all very scarousing to think about.

From the image it doesn't look like unique detachments are coming, which is good with me. I'd rather have unique stratagems.

I believe this is going to be more in line with AoS, if you're familier with the battle tomes, it will give you battle formations you can use as an option which will give you perks to using them like the battalions do in AoS. It will also bring back all the relics and specialty weapons we all lost when they did away with the old codexes. I for one am excited to see the different army specific tactica and abilities.