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 Runic wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I'm enjoying this. All over the place, people bitching about 8th. You go into the 30K part, people bitching about how 30K stayed 7th. Tau suck, Eldar Suck, IG suck, everything sucks.

It's like, everyone just likes to bitch.

Truth. The negative whiners are the ones making the most noise, as it has always been. Most are out there enjoying the game. It's way better than it was in 7th.

One day I'll understand what the point of focusing on the negative is, or what the point of complaining about something is seeing as it will have no effect on anything really. Just pointless.

Was someone genuinely surprised that some things will get better, some will get worse, some will vanish and something new will also come along? How did you manage that, how is it even possible?

I've noticed it's the same few specific people going into alot of threads personally.

There will be more options in the Codices, I reckon.

Also, Guard are really great in this edition, so I have no idea why you are whining.

zerosignal wrote:
There will be more options in the Codices, I reckon.

Also, Guard are really great in this edition, so I have no idea why you are whining.

Quoted for truth. Top 2 or 3 faction and your whining your not better?

Whining that certain units are lackluster is still valid. Units A, B and C might be very good or overpowered, and could in fact be carrying the entire army to the top spot on the rankings, but I might not want to use them. Instead, I want to use D, E and Q instead, which are all solidly below-average to average. Or hell, maybe I actually lovingly converted unit X last edition just to see that it's gone this one. I liked my Quad Launcher, and although they were too good last edition, I don't see why they had to be nerfed to solidly behind most AM options for S4-5 fire support.

In a perfectly balanced games, all choices should be equally valid. Maybe not against all possible targets (i.e. X points of Lasguns should still be worse than X points of Lascannons against vehicles or monsters, but should be better against infantry), but in a general sense.

 feltmonkey wrote:

 General Orange wrote:
Whine whine whine whine WHINE WHINE WHINE.

Oh dear.

So it looks like the OP lost a game to Space Marines and came running to the internet to post an incoherent rant about how his army has been ruined, complete with examples of one or two individual rules changes (ignoring any gains his army has made) and three final paragraphs in all caps. All this while his army sits clearly at the top of dakka's power table, compiled from all the recorded wins and losses on the forum.

The truth is that no matter what GW did, if they made the perfect game, if everything was balanced to make every player happy, they would still be powerless to change the biggest problem with the game - people like the OP.

My advice to you, OP, is to be the guy this edition change has so far sadly lacked - the guy who burns his army and uploads the video to YouTube. That would be funny. Either that, or realise that it you're reacting anything like this in real life then you're the guy in your club that no-one wants to play. You're the bad loser who plays for the wrong reasons, placing too much emphasis on winning and not enough on fun. Take the time to learn how to play your army again, play for fun, wait for your codex, and try not to be a whiny douch when you lose.

Untrue assumption, I didn't loose to space marines only, I played a few games, won and lost, so yeah.
I don't ignore the new benefits we got, it pisses me off how geedubs does it everytime to improve sales by giving unsold models great rules. Bullgryns for example overcosted assault unit in 7th, now good option out of the blue. Or ratlings, rough riders.
You're the kind of guy who gets upset by capital letters huh ?
Uuuhhh yeah the polls says this so it has to be true, like no one is gonna come up with anti guard strats this edition.
Gw making balanced game ? Good joke. So we can't point out flaws line, uhhh, oh my favorite, weapons angles gone ? Do we have to imagine that the leman russ tokyo drifted a 360 turn so he can shoot behind ?
Well many share this view with me and love to play games with me mister internet psychologist, I may be a bad player, but I ain't a bad sportsman. I don't put emphasis on winning, just how this edition made so many wtf decisions it baffled me. The big part of 8th is great, but it feels like they intentionaly made bad rules, to keep us on edge or i dunno.
In defeat or in victory, I will be a whiny douche, cause I have to carry my army on foot from one corner of the city to the other on foot.So this the only thing you got right


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roddo wrote:

zerosignal wrote:
There will be more options in the Codices, I reckon.

Also, Guard are really great in this edition, so I have no idea why you are whining.

Quoted for truth. Top 2 or 3 faction and your whining your not better?

Not whining because we're hurr durrr ze top kompetef ahrmee

Complaining about time and effort put on models, for nothing in the end gameplay wise. And ripping fluff off

Statement Redacted. - Edit For Great Justice!

Arachnofiend wrote:
OP is the very picture of someone who has no idea what's going on with other people's armies.

Oh yeah because I cut out everything but the guard part of the index and never bothered to look at other armies, read their rules, speak with other players. Yeah right

 General Orange wrote:

I don't ignore the new benefits we got, it pisses me off how geedubs does it everytime to improve sales by giving unsold models great rules. Bullgryns for example overcosted assault unit in 7th, now good option out of the blue. Or ratlings, rough riders.

Did you really just complain that some of your previously useless units got better?!

 General Orange wrote:

Arachnofiend wrote:
OP is the very picture of someone who has no idea what's going on with other people's armies.

Oh yeah because I cut out everything but the guard part of the index and never bothered to look at other armies, read their rules, speak with other players. Yeah right

Well it sure sounds like it.

 General Orange wrote:

In defeat or in victory, I will be a whiny douche

Ok. Well then. I guess that sort of settles it then. Ok then.

 General Orange wrote:

I don't ignore the new benefits we got, it pisses me off how geedubs does it everytime to improve sales by giving unsold models great rules. Bullgryns for example overcosted assault unit in 7th, now good option out of the blue. Or ratlings, rough riders.

How DARE they? How DARE GW rebalance units which where previously bad/overpriced so that they are now better and worth fielding? It makes me sick!

TonyL707 wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

I don't ignore the new benefits we got, it pisses me off how geedubs does it everytime to improve sales by giving unsold models great rules. Bullgryns for example overcosted assault unit in 7th, now good option out of the blue. Or ratlings, rough riders.

Did you really just complain that some of your previously useless units got better?!

It's a commonly employed tactic among the people that can't get past GW's past tendencies to "balance for profit." Which I will be the first to admit they historically did, but the current balance is sure as frickety-frack not that. If that was the case, Deathguard and Primaris would both, point for point, be clearly superior to any other choice.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
I've got to assume that OP hasn't seen many edition changes. This is far from the first time that vehicle upgrades or squad equipment options have been ditched.

This happens all the time to all armies, get used to it.

Compared to the minor annoyance of a few lost upgrade options (did you really take dozer blades for the rules, not the looks?) is entirely outweighed by Guard having gone from being hopelessly rubbish to properly good.

Playing a mechanised army, yes, you're gonna need to reroll those ones, saved my butt many times.

 General Orange wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
I've got to assume that OP hasn't seen many edition changes. This is far from the first time that vehicle upgrades or squad equipment options have been ditched.

This happens all the time to all armies, get used to it.

Compared to the minor annoyance of a few lost upgrade options (did you really take dozer blades for the rules, not the looks?) is entirely outweighed by Guard having gone from being hopelessly rubbish to properly good.

Playing a mechanised army, yes, you're gonna need to reroll those ones, saved my butt many times.

... and now you don't have to, because you can't get stuck anymore.

 Purifier wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

Arachnofiend wrote:
OP is the very picture of someone who has no idea what's going on with other people's armies.

Oh yeah because I cut out everything but the guard part of the index and never bothered to look at other armies, read their rules, speak with other players. Yeah right

Well it sure sounds like it.

 General Orange wrote:

In defeat or in victory, I will be a whiny douche

Ok. Well then. I guess that sort of settles it then. Ok then.

Could you at least quote the whole last sentence then, I know that dakka doesn't get humor much but thus one was obvious cmon.


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 Purifier wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
I've got to assume that OP hasn't seen many edition changes. This is far from the first time that vehicle upgrades or squad equipment options have been ditched.

This happens all the time to all armies, get used to it.

Compared to the minor annoyance of a few lost upgrade options (did you really take dozer blades for the rules, not the looks?) is entirely outweighed by Guard having gone from being hopelessly rubbish to properly good.

Playing a mechanised army, yes, you're gonna need to reroll those ones, saved my butt many times.

... and now you don't have to, because you can't get stuck anymore.

Money up my @ss ikr !?

 General Orange wrote:


Could you at least quote the whole last sentence then, I know that dakka doesn't get humor much but thus one was obvious cmon.

It's funny because you have to walk?

 General Orange wrote:


Money up my @ss ikr !?

Is this another one of your attempts at humour?

TonyL707 wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

I don't ignore the new benefits we got, it pisses me off how geedubs does it everytime to improve sales by giving unsold models great rules. Bullgryns for example overcosted assault unit in 7th, now good option out of the blue. Or ratlings, rough riders.

Did you really just complain that some of your previously useless units got better?!

Hmm, baffles me, can't you understand a simple phrase ? I complain how geedubs does it everytime. New models comes out with bad rules, nobody gonna buy them, geedubs sees this, and decides to buff them with formation and/or new edition because of the money, or bad rule making.

Don't think I don't appreciate the new units, but it sure is to sell more. Question is why didn't they make actual good rules in the first place ?

 Purifier wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

In defeat or in victory, I will be a whiny douche

Ok. Well then. I guess that sort of settles it then. Ok then.

Yeah, I thought that was quite an odd counter to my argument that he sounded like a whiny douche.

 Purifier wrote:

 General Orange wrote:


Could you at least quote the whole last sentence then, I know that dakka doesn't get humor much but thus one was obvious cmon.

It's funny because you have to walk?

 General Orange wrote:


Money up my @ss ikr !?

Is this another one of your attempts at humour?

Try walking with a 2000 points collection in your rucksack a 40 minute walk to and from ,then talk, or if you're in the military, in which case you have to carry all the time stuff

 General Orange wrote:

Hmm, baffles me

I feel like this must be a common theme in your life.

 Purifier wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

Hmm, baffles me

I feel like this must be a common theme in your life.

Hmm baffles me too

There are rumours coming every faction has a chapter/regiment/sept/craftworld tactics.

So everyone will be gaining flavour in fact. You just gave to wait.

The current top army complaining? What is going on!

 jhe90 wrote:
There are rumours coming every faction has a chapter/regiment/sept/craftworld tactics.

So everyone will be gaining flavour in fact. You just gave to wait.

Okay !


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 AaronWilson wrote:
The current top army complaining? What is going on!

Feels like 6th edition *gasp*

This I find really freaking funny. Imperial Guard are not only the current strongest army on a competitive level, they're also probably beating out space marines when it comes to different ways to fluff out your force because of their numerous ally options for GEQ.

Devastated by the loss of Carapace/Camo? Renegade Marauders have 'em, and share most of the exact same tanks and vehicles as regular guard. If you really want them, they're there.

Melta Bombs? If you're really that mad about melta bombs, just run your models as Elysians or DKOK - both have melta bomb units aplenty. Try an Elysian Special Weapon Squad and run them as breacher charges, they're amazing. Remember dude: It's all Astra Militarum, except for Renegades it can all be run in the same detachment.

Sneaky Catachan army? You can run some of your troops as Genestealer Cult. Forgeworld like Vostroya? Put Admech in the same detachment and just run it as Imperium.

If the loss of Camo Netting and Bulldozers alone (while it somehow making you MORE angry that the tanks you took them on are all pretty much universally better...) are enough to make you ragequit then quit, you were going to inevitably anyway. Ignore the fact that Hellhounds Manticores Basilisks Tauroxes Valkyries Hydras Sentinels and Baneblades were nothing but wastes of points before and are now all really solid.

Is it a giant conspiracy by GW to money-grub and sell literally everything in our model line except Melta-Vets and Wyverns? I mean, I guess you could see it that way. Or you could just look at it as an actually good army release for the first time in 3 editions.

 General Orange wrote:

TonyL707 wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

I don't ignore the new benefits we got, it pisses me off how geedubs does it everytime to improve sales by giving unsold models great rules. Bullgryns for example overcosted assault unit in 7th, now good option out of the blue. Or ratlings, rough riders.

Did you really just complain that some of your previously useless units got better?!

Hmm, baffles me, can't you understand a simple phrase ? I complain how geedubs does it everytime. New models comes out with bad rules, nobody gonna buy them, geedubs sees this, and decides to buff them with formation and/or new edition because of the money, or bad rule making.

Don't think I don't appreciate the new units, but it sure is to sell more. Question is why didn't they make actual good rules in the first place ?

Because not every unit is going to end up well enough, but the idea is your complaining because they buffed a bad unit because they should've been perfect the first time. What?

 General Orange wrote:

Oh for Emprar's sake. You make ME look like an optimist, and that really takes some doing. You're really going to complain that underpowered units were made useful? What on earth makes you think that that is a bad thing? Every new edition has its ups and downs, and 8e is undeniably the most balanced edition for decades.

This has nothing to do with little timmy's space marines.

This has nothing to do with trying to screw the guard.

This has everything to do with EVERYONE being in the same damn boat beta testing a radically new edition that has not yet settled.

If you're leaving, can I have your models?

The indexes in general are almost entirely bereft of wargear, so every army has a laundry list of options that they hope the codex will bring back. Except the Necrons, who are just like "what are options?"

But even without those, IG is on the strongest footing it's been on since 5th. Especially with Forge World giving them access to full re-roll bubbles, +1 to hit bubbles, and knockoff markerlights.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

TonyL707 wrote:

 General Orange wrote:

I don't ignore the new benefits we got, it pisses me off how geedubs does it everytime to improve sales by giving unsold models great rules. Bullgryns for example overcosted assault unit in 7th, now good option out of the blue. Or ratlings, rough riders.

Did you really just complain that some of your previously useless units got better?!

Hmm, baffles me, can't you understand a simple phrase ? I complain how geedubs does it everytime. New models comes out with bad rules, nobody gonna buy them, geedubs sees this, and decides to buff them with formation and/or new edition because of the money, or bad rule making.

Don't think I don't appreciate the new units, but it sure is to sell more. Question is why didn't they make actual good rules in the first place ?

Because not every unit is going to end up well enough, but the idea is your complaining because they buffed a bad unit because they should've been perfect the first time. What?

You know this isn't poilitcs geedubs does here, why is it too much asked for to have decent rules, giving rough riders scout in 7th was too much to ask for ? Did they had a shortage of ink to write "scout " or "outflank" ? A unit should not be perfect, you don't get the point, why does it it take geedubs several editions to make a decent unit while other tabletops only need one shot ?

I can understand the OP's frustration in tracking down pieces and spending all that time and money to make the army WYSIWYG, but you talk about this as if youa re used to it.
In which case, why are you moaning? You knew that one day it was likely to be a 'waste' of money. The only reasons I can really see to do it were
1) You needed to do it to make your army playable (Guess what? GW have fixed that for you - and yes, i appreciate there is an arguement for them having written it better in the first place and not needing to 'fix' it now)
2) It looks cooler/fits the theme of your army better. Pretty sure your army still looks cooler now! And as far as im aware, GW havent changed any of the army themes (though maybe that will change in new codexes, we'll have to wait and see!)
3) It was needed to make your army the top tier. In which case, many people will ahve little sympaty for you.

It sounds like your reasons were somewhere between 1 and 2. In which case, the rules now dont punish you for not takignthe extras, and your army still looks cool.
Is it the most customer centric business model? No.
Is it pretty much the way GW have always done things? Yes.
Does it make it right? No.
It is a bit of a first world problem? You betcha.

Hobbies are generally expensive. There are always changes that make other things irrelevant. Why on earth do sprots teams chage the kit every year or two? Purely for money. Its how businesses survive.
I get frustrated by GW's (often strange) way of distributing bits in boxes - especially multi unit kits.(I'm legs and a body away from several more Knights!)
I appreciate taht you were venting a bit of frustration, but many of the forum people had probably come to terms with this expense years ago. Whiel tehy migth apprecaite it there are alwasy going to be more vocal people who are going to try and beat you down!

Relax, deep breath, and move on.

 General Orange wrote:


You know this isn't poilitcs geedubs does here, why is it too much asked for to have decent rules, giving rough riders scout in 7th was too much to ask for ? Did they had a shortage of ink to write "scout " or "outflank" ? A unit should not be perfect, you don't get the point, why does it it take geedubs several editions to make a decent unit while other tabletops only need one shot ?

Why are you holding on to this grudge after the fix? You're saying it's bad that it's fixed now when it wasn't before. It's ridiculous at best. Leave the 7th grudges behind. I'm sure you'll build new grudges in 8th, so clean the slate for now.