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Just want to make sure on this rule, as I believe a 6 always counts as a hit regardless of modifiers.

Say an ork unit or something hitting on a 5+ is trying to shoot a vindicare in cover. his spy mask gives him a -2 to hit modifier if he is in cover, this effectively makes the modifier a 7+ to hit.

This doesn't matter though because a hit roll of 6 would still count as a hit correct?

Nope that's a miss.

You roll a 6. Subtract 2 so after modifiers you have a 4. Which is less than the Orks bs so misses.

Lesson is don't shoot at the vidicare with Orks. Punch him instead.

I just checked and nothing is said about 6 always hitting in shooting

Oh wow thats... Not sure how I feel about that lol...

Grots will hit the vidicare on a 6. So that's a + right?

Exactly like the hemlock when it casts conceal. Hard to say what hurts more, having characters sniped out by someone you can't target back with 80% of the army, or having the hemlock wreck face on any armor you brought and be near untargetable. I've faced the hemlock and it always picks on my KMKs. :( but then the storm boys chew it up and the krumpin continues.

Dare I say not being able to shoot something like this is seriously broken? And I'm the one using the vindicare! And I thought invisibility from 7th was rough.

All it would take is some decent screening and you essentially have an unkillable, character killing unit.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Dare I say not being able to shoot something like this is seriously broken? And I'm the one using the vindicare! And I thought invisibility from 7th was rough.

All it would take is some decent screening and you essentially have an unkillable, character killing unit.

It's not broken. You can shoot. Orks are just garbage at hitting things. Orks should be running forward and smacking things instead.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Dare I say not being able to shoot something like this is seriously broken? And I'm the one using the vindicare! And I thought invisibility from 7th was rough.

All it would take is some decent screening and you essentially have an unkillable, character killing unit.

Have you met the culexes? Gives no cares what your bs or ws is. Its a 6+ enjoy using any thing that has a innate -1 to hit. Fists heavy weapons that moved etc.


But flamers. Those things hit both assassins.

The Vindicare does d3 damage IF he manages to hit and wound (70% chance he will against INFANTRY, w/o reroll).
....he's not exactly what I'd call a "character killer." He's a "character wounder." Who cares if it's hard to hit him? He won't be doing a whole lot.

Unless you take several

Can't they give the orcz at least one dude that believes hard enough to shoot well and gets a 2+ bs?

You would have the same problem shooting a Ghostkeel outside of 12", or Deathleaper at any range, plus Deathleaper can't be hit in CC by anything with a 5+ ws

 Kriswall wrote:

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Dare I say not being able to shoot something like this is seriously broken? And I'm the one using the vindicare! And I thought invisibility from 7th was rough.

All it would take is some decent screening and you essentially have an unkillable, character killing unit.

It's not broken. You can shoot. Orks are just garbage at hitting things. Orks should be running forward and smacking things instead.

Even then, Flash Gitz, Gretchin, Killa Kanz and Big Gunz are all BS 4+. Bring a varied list and you don't have to go krumpin'.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Dare I say not being able to shoot something like this is seriously broken? And I'm the one using the vindicare! And I thought invisibility from 7th was rough.

All it would take is some decent screening and you essentially have an unkillable, character killing unit.

Just charge him and chop him into small pieces. Orcs are not meant to shoot, they are Melee Killers.

Can commandos kill infiltrate? If so, just sneak up behind the Vindicare and stab him.

Burnaboys don't care about hit modifiers either.