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As much as I like the new models coming from GW, one can't help but wonder why they don't seem to make any new multi pose kits. I liked the kits that came with separate arms, heads, torsos and weapons etc. The possibilities were endless without the need for cutting things apart or trying to bend things to make new poses. And as much as you still get the new kits in parts that require gluing together they're clearly meant to be put together in a certain way.
Looking at peoples models there seems to be a lot less diversity, and with each new release there's less and less.

People wanted better, more natural & dynamic looking poses. The downside to that is limited customisation.

Depends on the kit. The "Paired arms with ranged weapon" kits have definitely gotten less customizable, but the "individual arms with melee weapons" kits like GSC acolytes, Harlequins, etc have tended to be just as customizable if not more because of the greater variety of arm poses. I've built the Harlequin box probably six times and I haven't got a single clown that's like another. Even the individual legs can be un-paired.

And to be fair, the 'new releases' for 8th edition have been Death Guard and Primaris Marines, in the starter set. Starter sets are, for recent memory, always been mono-pose models. That's not an issue.

The Easy-Build Reivers, I can take it or leave it.

The only issue I've taken so far with mono-posed models, is the Primaris Captain and Librarian. They COULD have done a better kit for those HQ's, instead we got easy build mono pose.

If the 10-man Reiver box and Aggressors are mono-pose then I'll be rather displeased.
Customization is a wonderful thing, but dynamic and natural poses are great too. And it's hard to have both, unless you're good at converting and sculpting. I'm not.

 Thadin wrote:

If the 10-man Reiver box and Aggressors are mono-pose then I'll be rather displeased.

Got some bad news for you.

Monopose models are very bad. I hate having two identical models in my collection and if you buy two of those new boxes you'll certainly end up with identical miniatures.

I have tons of ork boyz that are at least a bit different from each other, SW and dark eldar troops that are all unique models, despite owning a huge amount of them.

Also some poses that should be "dinamic" look very silly instead if not cartoonish; pretty much any GW miniature released in the last 10 years is dinamic enough.

I think it really depends on the set. Clearly the new Primaris sets are limited build, but that could also attribute to just these new launches. Maybe they might release other sets with more customization options.

@the-scotsman: I wouldn't mind seeing pics of your Harlequin units. I can't seem to unpair those legs without making awkward body poses or using GS.

I really miss in the old days that you got base sets of bodies and then your choice of arms/weapons/heads, I liked the customization and I'm sad to see it go away. Also a lot of the new kits have too many fiddly bits.

Wayniac wrote:
I really miss in the old days that you got base sets of bodies and then your choice of arms/weapons/heads, I liked the customization and I'm sad to see it go away. Also a lot of the new kits have too many fiddly bits.

Me too. The new models are fantastically designed and detailed, no argument. But I miss my youth, cutting out all the torsos, arms and heads into separate piles and then putting everything together without needing a guide. These days I find assembly a huge chore and not a fun part of the experience any more. It's like putting together a model that got blown up rather than the intuitive arm-leg-torso etc setup.

coldgaming wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I really miss in the old days that you got base sets of bodies and then your choice of arms/weapons/heads, I liked the customization and I'm sad to see it go away. Also a lot of the new kits have too many fiddly bits.

Me too. The new models are fantastically designed and detailed, no argument. But I miss my youth, cutting out all the torsos, arms and heads into separate piles and then putting everything together without needing a guide. These days I find assembly a huge chore and not a fun part of the experience any more. It's like putting together a model that got blown up rather than the intuitive arm-leg-torso etc setup.

Exactly. Recently I have hated assembling models, and I could never put my finger on why. I think this is actually it; nowadays you have Part 59 which goes with Part 72 and you need a booklet telling you how to assemble each individual model, whereas before you could basically get all the pieces out, clean them, and then spend time deciding how to pose each model. Nowdays, you try that and you'll mix up parts because half of the models only go together a certain way.

I might be in the minority but I'd sacrifice a bit of detail for more customization options with the parts, not having to look which parts I need to make this individual model.

Yet another reason I cant get into the new primaris stuff. I am already tired of seeing the same 5 models repeated over and over again.

I have find that in many cases you can ignore the instructions and still do a nice miniature.
I like monopose or límited poses with my HQ or Elites. That way they have nice and natural poses, even if límited.
But for the lowly grunts, I prefer diversity. I dont mind that my ork boy has some weird arm-shoulder connection when i have 100 in my army.
And, I did toó the pile of heads, arms and Torsos when building my old orkz .

I thought the monopose stuff was just in the starter kits, and EZ build stuff.

The 10 man biker shorts marines are NOT like old tac marine boxes? What??

This is somewhat disappointing. Please tell me this is not the new norm...

Back in my day you just took a hacksaw to the mini and called it a day.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Back in my day you just took a hacksaw to the mini and called it a day.

Hacksaw?
I just lean on the knife.
Harder metal cuts softer metal.
Less dust.
If I ever got a beakless primo numarines accidentally no doubt
I would cut him up so fast his beakless puss would shrivel.

Hacksaw was faster imo. The exacto knives I used were more precise but took a long time and often broke.

What's fun is when you're pressing hard with an exacto knife and it snaps and the part still on the handle slices right into your other hand!

I mean, *fun*

i did get the set with the three reiver guys and while they're of course monopose, it's pretty simple to cut off the attacment part and just pose the arms however you like. And head swaps are easy as pie too. so there's something. Not the best, but something

I do wish they'd switch up the handedness of the models now and again instead of making every single rifle right-handed and keeping the pistols/melee weapons uniformly on opposite sides within each range, but it feels to me like you can still customize/pose most models reasonably well. And even the most stubbornly mono-pose squatting Space Marine can be made tremendously dynamic with a single cut at the hip joint and enough greenstuff to rearrange the joint piping.

There are still problem kits, but they're usually 5e-vintage or older, most of the newer stuff works fine.


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 jeff white wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Back in my day you just took a hacksaw to the mini and called it a day.

Hacksaw?
I just lean on the knife.
Harder metal cuts softer metal.
Less dust.
If I ever got a beakless primo numarines accidentally no doubt
I would cut him up so fast his beakless puss would shrivel.

Or halfway between an exacto knife and a hacksaw: exacto sells really fine saw blades that plug into the same handles the knives do. (More dust, yes, but faster and safer. At least in my experience. I accidentally cut myself with knives all the time, have never cut myself with the saw blade.)

teknoskan wrote:
I think it really depends on the set. Clearly the new Primaris sets are limited build, but that could also attribute to just these new launches. Maybe they might release other sets with more customization options.

@the-scotsman: I wouldn't mind seeing pics of your Harlequin units. I can't seem to unpair those legs without making awkward body poses or using GS.

http://imgur.com/a/II0XG Here you go. Depends on what you define as an "awkward body pose" - I certainly had some hits and misses, but I actually like the somewhat sillier more whimsical poses I got. My "prancing through the tulips sticking a neuro disruptor in your face" is still probably my favorite harlequin model.

the_scotsman wrote:

teknoskan wrote:
I think it really depends on the set. Clearly the new Primaris sets are limited build, but that could also attribute to just these new launches. Maybe they might release other sets with more customization options.

@the-scotsman: I wouldn't mind seeing pics of your Harlequin units. I can't seem to unpair those legs without making awkward body poses or using GS.

http://imgur.com/a/II0XG Here you go. Depends on what you define as an "awkward body pose" - I certainly had some hits and misses, but I actually like the somewhat sillier more whimsical poses I got. My "prancing through the tulips sticking a neuro disruptor in your face" is still probably my favorite harlequin model.

I like the first one. It says "You may have blown up my transport, but I'm going to do a complete backflip and land as though I was expecting to need to all along, while shooting you in the face." You can just see the action flowing through to the bow at the end.

The Primaris Reivers sprues seem as easy to pose as you like with a little of greenstuff and cutting some hips.

I'm not buying primaris any more stuff, because I can't fit them into my Grey Knights army.

But, that said, I do NOT at all like limited posing. I have 10 interceptors, with Falchions, and every single one has a different and unique pose.

I know this isn't easy for people to get into the hobby, and some view assembling models as a chore. But, I actually really enjoy that part of the hobby. I would be sad to see it permanently go away.

 Marmatag wrote:
I know this isn't easy for people to get into the hobby, and some view assembling models as a chore. But, I actually really enjoy that part of the hobby. I would be sad to see it permanently go away.

This is the way I feel about painting actually, definitely the biggest draw for me.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

teknoskan wrote:
I think it really depends on the set. Clearly the new Primaris sets are limited build, but that could also attribute to just these new launches. Maybe they might release other sets with more customization options.

@the-scotsman: I wouldn't mind seeing pics of your Harlequin units. I can't seem to unpair those legs without making awkward body poses or using GS.

http://imgur.com/a/II0XG Here you go. Depends on what you define as an "awkward body pose" - I certainly had some hits and misses, but I actually like the somewhat sillier more whimsical poses I got. My "prancing through the tulips sticking a neuro disruptor in your face" is still probably my favorite harlequin model.

I like the first one. It says "You may have blown up my transport, but I'm going to do a complete backflip and land as though I was expecting to need to all along, while shooting you in the face." You can just see the action flowing through to the bow at the end.

The Hobgoblin is now handily my Troupe Master, as it is incredibly easy to tell my opponent "he's the one who's upside down".

The new primaris stuff, even the full boxes, are monopose? That's a bit disappointing. I suppose that means most of my DG stuff will be as well. Hmmm.

Then again, if the new models are high enough quality that may be enough to outweigh it for me. It's not like my old plague marines were that visually distinct from one another. So I suppose monopose but better overall sculpts isn't an awful trade off. A little detail work isn't hard to manage.

I can see the issue for a lot of people who love the modeling aspect. Personally I don't much care (heck I grew up and still use predominantly metals, so posing's never been a concern of mine).

I think it's to make the kits easier and to help minimize the 3rd party impact (i.e. not as easy to toss a 3rd party torso on the legs etc.).

I'm completely fine with 4-5 poses for a basic trooper, etc. I do think it sucks having limited characters. In the metal days you normally at least got 2-3 releases of each character when they were launched, giving you a few options.

For simplicity sake I definitely prefer single pairs of legs (didn't enjoy putting together my matched legs for the MkIII marines at all).

SilverAlien wrote:
The new primaris stuff, even the full boxes, are monopose? That's a bit disappointing.

They really aren't. It's just that they don't have a waist joint. This is probably because of their abdomen armour, it has to be sculpted differently depending on which direction the upper body is turned.

SilverAlien wrote:
The new primaris stuff, even the full boxes, are monopose? That's a bit disappointing. I suppose that means most of my DG stuff will be as well. Hmmm.

Then again, if the new models are high enough quality that may be enough to outweigh it for me. It's not like my old plague marines were that visually distinct from one another. So I suppose monopose but better overall sculpts isn't an awful trade off. A little detail work isn't hard to manage.

They have paired legs, and paired rifle arms. The only additional cutting that would be required is at the waist join.

Paired rifle arms we've basically always had - unless you had some sort of super great use for the patented Space Marine U-hand. Legs have also always been paired.

These guys actually look easier to get a variety of poses out of, the legs are already cut apart. Just need to cut that torso off if you want to repose that.

Fore me mono pose depends on the army.

for faceless marines no issue. for guard Ha!

but for characters that you can have multiples of id prefer to be able to kit and pose them how i like

a little sad to see primarus characters basically having no options but its not that big a deal as im only going to pick up one of each if anything.

That and i dont like mono pose for very flavorful models like those Death guard or the other chaos chosen from DV. its fine as a one off and i think they look excellent. they just look off when two of the same models are standing next to each other.

I get why people are upset by the more-static monopose models -- it's an extra step to separate the limbs and you'll certainly have to do some gap filling at the end of the day.

But, at least for DG, the swaps have been pretty easy: The cuts are in areas with minimal detail, they're often through thin plastic, and the joints are clearly defined. I think these EZ-fit sprues are decent conpromises.

If you've ever done head or arm swaps in metal, doing some with DG will be a piece of cake. The Primaris don't look that bad, either, but I haven't worked with them yet.

Even the big cuts I've done requires minimal cleanup: For the 3-pack DG, with the blight launcher, I swapped all the arms on the three. The plasma on the backpack of the sergeant got cut, cleaned, and added to the power fist arm (sans fist, of course) on the stock blight launcher; I used an old spare backpack to repair the sergeant's power pack, and sculpted a tentacle to fill the plasma arm gap. It's a very, very easy conversion that anyone with 20 minutes and the requisite tools could do.

There is an issue with the distinctive torsos -- I don't have a good solution for that for nonsculptors. (I just don't double up the torsos in a given unit.) I suppose you could sand out the details and put a symbol of Nurgle on em.