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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I could see that, though I'd be VERY surprised, since they redid Tempestus like, yesterday.

I know, its why I doubt they made what's in the picture, personally.

Yeah those Scions are way too new to ditch. Then again, stranger things have happened.

And this is a minor detail but please for the love of god allow sergeants to carry lasguns. It really bugs the hole of me that they can't.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Am I the only only that gets a Scion/Kasrkin feel from those guys?

Nope. There's art from older books that actually is similar to that which labels them as Kasrkin even.

Moar tanks and vehicles. I'd like to see some wheeled and repulsor vehicles, maybe a scout tank or two, and exosuits for the basic troops (making exosuits akin to guardsmen as terminators are to marines).

I'd also like to see distinctive regiment rules or strategms. Not things like "you can take X unit as type Y or you can't use Z unit, but something like Regiment A can give these special orders to tanks or "once per game you can use Saturation Salvos with Baskilisks" or somesuch.

 Stormonu wrote:
Moar tanks and vehicles. I'd like to see some wheeled and repulsor vehicles, maybe a scout tank or two, and exosuits for the basic troops (making exosuits akin to guardsmen as terminators are to marines).

I'd also like to see distinctive regiment rules or strategms. Not things like "you can take X unit as type Y or you can't use Z unit, but something like Regiment A can give these special orders to tanks or "once per game you can use Saturation Salvos with Baskilisks" or somesuch.

Yes! See apparently terminator armour was created from heavy engineering rigs. Were are these rigs? Why aren't they more common? It's probably funny that I think that the centurion armour actually would have been better suited for the IG. At least you wouldn't have the issue of xzibit jokes.

I would have made them really slow, with massive firepower but they're clumsy in close combat.

I just want them to make the Vanquisher great again.

Plastic Steel Legion, a bit modernised and with more gubbinz.

Rebreather galore with skulls well placed.

DKK are going out of production, so is time.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Yeah those Scions are way too new to ditch. Then again, stranger things have happened.

And this is a minor detail but please for the love of god allow sergeants to carry lasguns. It really bugs the hole of me that they can't.

It's not minor to me! It's stupid, and I'm with you 100%!

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Yeah those Scions are way too new to ditch. Then again, stranger things have happened.

And this is a minor detail but please for the love of god allow sergeants to carry lasguns. It really bugs the hole of me that they can't.

Yeah I agree. I've been giving mine boltguns just so they can shoot like they should be.

I like the simple non-gothic look of Cadians. I think they look great, they just need new models. I don't need them to be decked out in skulls and pointless gribbly details. Put that on the sprue so I can pick and choose what I add.

More IG special forces units.

Not Scions. Scions are just the brain-washed, hypno-trained, 'roid-raging, unwanted children of the Imperial elite, armed with the best gear money can buy because great-grand-daddy paid for a new battleship once upon a time.

I mean the earned-by-merit, "I used to be a baker before I was randomly drafted and found out I was good at killing", 100% bad-ass special forces. Not mere veterans that have "been around the block a few times".

Not the "we're all super-soldiers" space marines.

The men and women that volunteer for the most dangerous jobs the IG can throw them at because they want to be there.

The Deathwatch of IG.

Veterans with a smorgasbord of options and special rules that you either effectively leverage or get tabled turn 2.

 Arandmoor wrote:
More IG special forces units.

Not Scions. Scions are just the brain-washed, hypno-trained, 'roid-raging, unwanted children of the Imperial elite, armed with the best gear money can buy because great-grand-daddy paid for a new battleship once upon a time.

I mean the earned-by-merit, "I used to be a baker before I was randomly drafted and found out I was good at killing", 100% bad-ass special forces. Not mere veterans that have "been around the block a few times".

Not the "we're all super-soldiers" space marines.

The men and women that volunteer for the most dangerous jobs the IG can throw them at because they want to be there.

The Deathwatch of IG.

Veterans with a smorgasbord of options and special rules that you either effectively leverage or get tabled turn 2.

Well that's basically the kasrkin. I mod my scions a bit and just paint them up in the kasrkin motif. I don't much care for the whole Schola fluff anyway. Its just too over the top grim dark for me.

Personally my fluff has both Scions from the Schola and veterans trained up to their standards and equipped properly.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Personally my fluff has both Scions from the Schola and veterans trained up to their standards and equipped properly.

Same. Scion fluff is pretty meh, but is easy to fluff them as paratroopers veteran or something.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Personally my fluff has both Scions from the Schola and veterans trained up to their standards and equipped properly.

Same. Scion fluff is pretty meh, but is easy to fluff them as paratroopers veteran or something.

I do wish their backpacks came with a grav chute option. Especially since deep strike is one of their primary functions now.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

DKK are going out of production, so is time.

What the hell? Where have you heard this?

@ crimsondave & argonak

Fistbump.

I've got two other quibbles. Regular unarmoured Ogyrns probably need to be repurposed into a proper shooting unit. Bulgyrns have them beat in all regards at present. All you'd have to do is increase the range of ripper guns to about 24" and hey presto, done. The modern ripper gun looks more like a machine gun than a shotgun to me anyway. Perhaps they should also be changed to rapid fire 2 or even 3 while we're at it.

The other quibble; Scions are better than they've ever been. Maybe slightly too good. I would tweak them so that they can only carry 1 special for every 5 men, but to make up for it hot shot weapons have their range increased by 6". Now they can rapid fire after deep striking.

Vets however! Stay in elites, and come in squads of 5-10. Can replace their lasguns with shotguns and/or las pistols with chainswords. 2 in 5 guys get access to specials. Make them look like standard issue is never standard.

I'd personally like the reintroduction of the 4 main, currently OoP Imperial Guard regiments: Praetorian Guard, Mordian Guard, Tallarn Desert Raiders and Valhalan Ice Troopers.

I'd chuck the Armageddon Steel Legion in there too, so 5.

An update would be good, with more modeling options. Essentially you'd only require new squad box, heavy weapon team box, command squad box - more than enough. Special weapons could be finecast or options in the boxes. Vehicles can maybe have some upgrade sprues released (like the genestealer cults have).

Hopefully, we'll see them some time in 2018. I've resigned 2017 to be Primaris Marines and Codex focused. Please GeeDubs, hear our cries!

Another regiment or two would be nice just so there was a bit more diversity in IG. Plenty of good suggestions about that above.

One thing I would really like to see are more fast attack options. Hell Hounds, Rough Riders, and Sentinels are actually all decent choices but it doesn't really feel like we have much choice in the realm of fast attack. Wasn't as bad when Vendetta's and Valkyries counted towards that but now it just seems very limiting.

Maybe something like that little shuttle craft looking flyer that Forge World used to have Arvus Lifter or something like that. Maybe that with a squad of drop troop kind of guys. Or hell bring out a non forgeworld model for the Hades Breaching Drill, with it's deep strike rule it could be considered a fast attack even though it is listed as an Elite right now.

 Aenarian wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

DKK are going out of production, so is time.

What the hell? Where have you heard this?

Where are the grenadiers?

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Aenarian wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

DKK are going out of production, so is time.

What the hell? Where have you heard this?

Where are the grenadiers?

I've only heard that the mold/mould has sustained damage and I guess that Forge World has had very little time to actually fix it. It makes no sense to scrap one of their best selling lines when they still have others they could axe, especially as they already seem to have removed from of the least selling kits.

Anyway, I'll send a mail and ask.

 Aenarian wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Aenarian wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

DKK are going out of production, so is time.

What the hell? Where have you heard this?

Where are the grenadiers?

I've only heard that the mold/mould has sustained damage and I guess that Forge World has had very little time to actually fix it. It makes no sense to scrap one of their best selling lines when they still have others they could axe, especially as they already seem to have removed from of the least selling kits.

Anyway, I'll send a mail and ask.

They have to put out moar marines. Counts as OOP for me.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Aenarian wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Aenarian wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

DKK are going out of production, so is time.

What the hell? Where have you heard this?

Where are the grenadiers?

I've only heard that the mold/mould has sustained damage and I guess that Forge World has had very little time to actually fix it. It makes no sense to scrap one of their best selling lines when they still have others they could axe, especially as they already seem to have removed from of the least selling kits.

Anyway, I'll send a mail and ask.

They have to put out moar marines. Counts as OOP for me.

So basically, to sum up:
You know nothing definitive and you're making an assumption based upon a silly idea that models previewed months back have somehow made it so that they'll never be fixed or replaced.

I'm the biggest fanboy of GW models - but their muscle-bare-faced guys are always terrible...

I want good looking, new Catachan stuff. I will buy the crap out of that when it finally comes...

 Kanluwen wrote:


So basically, to sum up:
You know nothing definitive and you're making an assumption based upon a silly idea that models previewed months back have somehow made it so that they'll never be fixed or replaced.

"Assumptions"
Look at how much IG stuff is OOP now.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


So basically, to sum up:
You know nothing definitive and you're making an assumption based upon a silly idea that models previewed months back have somehow made it so that they'll never be fixed or replaced.

"Assumptions"
Look at how much IG stuff is OOP now.

And look how much isn't.

There was, a few months back, panic over the DKoK squads going unavailable from FW--yet now they're back for sale.

How do people feel about the power cables on hotshot lasguns? I've never been 100% on them. They look like they'd get caught on gak.

A lot of the stuff is OOP. I asked about the HWT variants, and they were definitely gone according to the guy in customer service. I would not be that worried about the better selling stuff (DKoK infantry squads firing and advancing, grenadiers, engineers...), but some less popular variants will probably be going if they're not already gone.

Without knowing actual sales figures, there are probably quite a lot of products which are less popular than the beloved Death Korps and at least some of those will be removed first.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
How do people feel about the power cables on hotshot lasguns? I've never been 100% on them. They look like they'd get caught on gak.

Power cables are basically the key thing that separates Hellguns(what are now, again, being referred to as "hot-shot lasguns" despite yeeeeears of fluff specifically attempting to separate hot-shots into actually being a type of battery for a lasgun rather than a lasgun variant in and of itself) from a Lasgun.

The power cables are tied to the backpack, which not only provides power but has a cooling system. Hence the two cables--one for power flow, one for coolant.

Whether or not they're practical, I like the aesthetic of the cables.

Same, although I imagine they can have packs in case the cables break, hence why I usually put ammo packs on my Stormtroopers.

As for hotshots/hellguns, the Index confirms they're both the same weapons now.