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It is arguable that Chaos has actually got the MkIII and MkIV armours. Certainly if I were making an army based on a legion I'd use that kit rather than the actual CSM kit.

While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.

That said, GW has clearly handed Tartaros and Cataphractii rules to loyalists while completely ignoring traitors. That should tell you something.

 Formosa wrote:
this is not a complaint, more an observation.

Hasnt chaos Waited there turn, for the last 15 years? i mean, i know space marines are the big seller, but they have had what... 5 tactical squad kits now?

When I said to wait his turn it wasnt for chaos as a whole , it was because he wanted other kits instead of Death guard releases. Its merely a matter of time , and i assume it wont be a long wait, but he was basically begrudging deathguard collectors releases in favour of others (even if oblits and havocs could be usable for all legions). Others have also mentioned DG have just had a release. Yes, they have, but it doesnt constitute the general standard codex releases. Did everyone think Dark Angels got a 'proper release' when Dark Vengeance was released, or Chaos as a whole? If we are going by that flawed logic then Chaas (as a whole) have been in the last two starter sets, but that doesnt mean they're now good, the same as Dark Angels or Death Guard. Id love to see more Chaos releases as well, generic and god orientated, but begrudging the DG releases, even if all chaos playrs wont make use of them is pretty sad


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 Geifer wrote:
While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.

That said, GW has clearly handed Tartaros and Cataphractii rules to loyalists while completely ignoring traitors. That should tell you something.

That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
this is not a complaint, more an observation.

Hasnt chaos Waited there turn, for the last 15 years? i mean, i know space marines are the big seller, but they have had what... 5 tactical squad kits now?

When I said to wait his turn it wasnt for chaos as a whole , it was because he wanted other kits instead of Death guard releases. Its merely a matter of time , and i assume it wont be a long wait, but he was basically begrudging deathguard collectors releases in favour of others (even if oblits and havocs could be usable for all legions). Others have also mentioned DG have just had a release. Yes, they have, but it doesnt constitute the general standard codex releases. Did everyone think Dark Angels got a 'proper release' when Dark Vengeance was released, or Chaos as a whole? If we are going by that flawed logic then Chaas (as a whole) have been in the last two starter sets, but that doesnt mean they're now good, the same as Dark Angels or Death Guard. Id love to see more Chaos releases as well, generic and god orientated, but begrudging the DG releases, even if all chaos playrs wont make use of them is pretty sad

I have no idea what your talking about lol

 Geifer wrote:
While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.

I mean, of the various legions "plain" armor fits alpha legion, iron warriors, some renegades. The current CSM style model better fits black legion, word bearers, night lords and some other renegades. The cult legions are all better suited by their unique models over anything else. So honestly, not like a new spikey horned version is going to be that much more fitting for at many more armies.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.

That said, GW has clearly handed Tartaros and Cataphractii rules to loyalists while completely ignoring traitors. That should tell you something.

That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set

That's wonderful for the Lord of Contagion, but if I assembled and painted Cataphractii for my Black Legion I'd still use the Chaos Terminators entry because there is not, in fact, rules representation for the Cataphractii and Tartaros kits for Chaos.

Thanks for trying, I guess.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.

I mean, of the various legions "plain" armor fits alpha legion, iron warriors, some renegades. The current CSM style model better fits black legion, word bearers, night lords and some other renegades. The cult legions are all better suited by their unique models over anything else. So honestly, not like a new spikey horned version is going to be that much more fitting for at many more armies.

Yeah, I exaggerated a bit there.

I fall in the camp of 10,000 years in the warp have changed Chaos Marines. I know there are people that will happily use Horus Heresy era, plain, clean traitors in modern 40k. Not knocking it. The old armor marks are great for anyone like that. But to me there needs to be a bit more faction representation and Chaos madness on the models than simply a color scheme. I generally don't like the idea that a legion somehow found the magical recipe for staying untainted in the warp. Except Thousand Sons of course, but we know how that went.

Just personal taste.

Still incorrect

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
Still incorrect

what is?

what are you talking about ??

 Formosa wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
Still incorrect

what is?

what are you talking about ??

He's talking about this:

 Geifer wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set

That's wonderful for the Lord of Contagion, but if I assembled and painted Cataphractii for my Black Legion I'd still use the Chaos Terminators entry because there is not, in fact, rules representation for the Cataphractii and Tartaros kits for Chaos.

And I have to say, "still incorrect" is a compelling argument on Kallus's part. I'm tempted to change my mind and believe that I am, in fact, wrong on the matter.

"That said, GW has clearly handed Tartaros and Cataphractii rules to loyalists while completely ignoring traitors."

Not completely....

 Geifer wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
Still incorrect

what is?

what are you talking about ??

He's talking about this:

 Geifer wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set

That's wonderful for the Lord of Contagion, but if I assembled and painted Cataphractii for my Black Legion I'd still use the Chaos Terminators entry because there is not, in fact, rules representation for the Cataphractii and Tartaros kits for Chaos.

And I have to say, "still incorrect" is a compelling argument on Kallus's part. I'm tempted to change my mind and believe that I am, in fact, wrong on the matter.

Ah im with you, yeah I find it odd that the 2 forces that should have both cataphractii and tartoros armours in near abundance, Chaos and Dark Angels, have no access to it ??

They also gave Tartaros armour rules to the Scarab occult terminators last ed, who are, funnily enough, wearing tartaros armour. I dont believe their rules are in the new dex, I genuinely havent read it or the indexes, but im pretty sure theyll get those rules in the upcoming Tsons dex

Do you realize this is about the generic Horus Heresy kits featuring different armor variants? Kits. Not the individual variants of power and terminator armor.

The whole point of the conversation is about base Chaos Marine kits, not special snowflake units of one or another legion that happened to get lucky in their update and got a fluffy armor mark.

 Geifer wrote:
Do you realize this is about the generic Horus Heresy kits featuring different armor variants? Kits. Not the individual variants of power and terminator armor.

The whole point of the conversation is about base Chaos Marine kits, not special snowflake units of one or another legion that happened to get lucky in their update and got a fluffy armor mark.

Well, youd said they'd 'completely ignored traitors'. I was pointing out that that is factually incorrect. Its a shame though, would have been nice for them to have had it for all generic chaos

I said that, with reference to the Horus Heresy kits. And yes, it is a shame. There's really no reason Chaos shouldn't have rules for these kits (or Space Wolves and the Angels, for that matter).

What is the difference between Chosen and Fallen?

Just the Fallen Angel / Death to False Emperor rule?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
What is the difference between Chosen and Fallen?

Just the Fallen Angel / Death to False Emperor rule?

Depends if they fixed the points gap between them that the index had. Where fallen were strictly better than chosen, but 2 points cheaper.

 dan2026 wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.

Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.

What more do you want?

New generic CSM, a real Havoc kit, updated non-Nurgle units, new Abbadon........the new Death Guard are not models for CSM, they are for their own codex.

Nope. Fallen are 2 pts cheaper.

2pts cheaper but no legion abilitys or stratagems or marks no benifits from chaos lords or chaplins (no <legion&gt so quite a large down side in the synagy (spl) department.

But they've got a special rule of their own, which is largely better than most tactics for gunline units, and a morale ability which is also better than most tactics that deal with morale.

They don't need synergy or support because it comes baked in for the 'cost' of negative two points.

If you want a bare bones plasma team, fallen are tailor made for it, and require nothing. And don't interfere with anything else you might want to field.

They don't get transports though.

Since this thread has devolved into a wishlist thread, it's run its course, right?

Well, since the book is out already, there's no reason to keep this thread open, as people can just discuss it in the proper 40K forums now.