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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 03:36:41
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Love him or hate him, do you guys think its a bit of a cop out that after all the stuff he went through to get Guilliman to Terra that he got conveniently "Lost in the Warp"?
Maybe they want to have him on hand for a later Deus Ex Machina?
Maybe have him get corrupted?
Could this have something do with the current Konor campaign?
Seriously, who knows?
This feels like Poochy dying on the way home to his home planet.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 04:07:57
Subject: Re:Cato Sicarius
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I definatly think it's a bit odd, I mean if his stats weren't in the book I could see this being their way of removing him. this is just a bit odd, could they be planning a plastic Cato and are perhaps laying the ground work for a future event where he arrives "in the nick of time to do X" at the head of a "Trimvirate pack"?
now THERE'S an intreasting idea. we've heard rumors of a return of Lemen Russ at the end of the year, could be they're gonna tie his story into Lemen Russ, and package a plastic Cato Sicurius as part of the "Triumvirate of the Wolf"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 06:24:43
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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For those of us not up on the lore, what's the latest news for those of us who don't know? I used him as my commander in nearly every game of 7th.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 08:44:41
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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Cato was lost in the warp during Gathering Storm, but appears in Dark Millennium (112 years later) and seems to be no worse for the wear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 11:10:38
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Was he?
I'm not sure I remember reading that... page number?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 11:48:02
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Who?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 12:01:13
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Pr3Mu5 wrote:Was he?
I'm not sure I remember reading that... page number?
It's early in the book. He's one of Guilliman's Honour Guard, and Guilliman comments that he's spent the best part of the last 100 years trying to turn him into a decent Ultramarine :-)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 13:13:51
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Implacable Black Templar Initiate
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And now they have some asshat primaris named Captain Acheron leading the company.
Also they got rid of all the named Sergeants and other characters like Chaplain Trajan. The only one that is the same is Sgt Atavian and the two Dreadnoughts Ultracius and Agnathio.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 13:31:14
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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beast_gts wrote: Pr3Mu5 wrote:Was he?
I'm not sure I remember reading that... page number?
It's early in the book. He's one of Guilliman's Honour Guard, and Guilliman comments that he's spent the best part of the last 100 years trying to turn him into a decent Ultramarine :-)
Yep. He says something like he's trying to teach Cato to be more diplomatic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 13:42:05
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Cato got lost in the warp? WTF?! I love 8th lore now!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 13:51:37
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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He'll come back at some point, just in time to save X person and become Captain of the First company and legitimate heir to Calgar (although with Guilliman around that means diddly squat). Either that or he overtakes Calgar as the new Marius Gage, 2nd in command to Guilliman and his right hand man, while Calgar remains the Chapter Master of the Ultramarines the ruling regent of Ultramar. In effect, Sicarius is the leader of Guilliman's attacking military and Calgar his defensive leader.
Either than or they are prepping him to become a Primaris Marine with the new model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 16:19:57
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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verticalgain wrote:beast_gts wrote: Pr3Mu5 wrote:Was he?
I'm not sure I remember reading that... page number?
It's early in the book. He's one of Guilliman's Honour Guard, and Guilliman comments that he's spent the best part of the last 100 years trying to turn him into a decent Ultramarine :-)
Yep. He says something like he's trying to teach Cato to be more diplomatic.
Apologies, I have read the section referring to Guilliman training Cato almost in the same manner as he has been testing Felix during the Indomitus Crusade. I meant, where in Gathering Storm does it say that Sicarius was lost in the warp?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 17:06:50
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Pr3Mu5 wrote:verticalgain wrote:beast_gts wrote: Pr3Mu5 wrote:Was he?
I'm not sure I remember reading that... page number?
It's early in the book. He's one of Guilliman's Honour Guard, and Guilliman comments that he's spent the best part of the last 100 years trying to turn him into a decent Ultramarine :-)
Yep. He says something like he's trying to teach Cato to be more diplomatic.
Apologies, I have read the section referring to Guilliman training Cato almost in the same manner as he has been testing Felix during the Indomitus Crusade. I meant, where in Gathering Storm does it say that Sicarius was lost in the warp?
he's lost in the warp after the events of Gathering storm, he leads a fleet of 3 companies of marines to reinforce the Ultramarines, hiw strike cruiser was lost in the warp, and the final message from his ship was anm ominous one about something breaching the hull, his presence in Dark Imperium I suspect was simply an error owing to communication futz ups.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 17:18:16
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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Kellevil wrote:And now they have some asshat primaris named Captain Acheron leading the company.
Also they got rid of all the named Sergeants and other characters like Chaplain Trajan. The only one that is the same is Sgt Atavian and the two Dreadnoughts Ultracius and Agnathio.
I mean the Ultramarines have to go through some serious gak right around the time Guilliman comes back to life, it makes sense that a lot of the old named guys who are background would be killed off
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 18:23:59
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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It's also 100+ years later, so if you want to keep some of the names around they need some explanation how they've survived for so long; for a battle captain, makes more sense for him to skip all that time (and battles where he might get killed), and just pop into the new timeline.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 18:35:14
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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GAdvance wrote: Kellevil wrote:And now they have some asshat primaris named Captain Acheron leading the company.
Also they got rid of all the named Sergeants and other characters like Chaplain Trajan. The only one that is the same is Sgt Atavian and the two Dreadnoughts Ultracius and Agnathio.
I mean the Ultramarines have to go through some serious gak right around the time Guilliman comes back to life, it makes sense that a lot of the old named guys who are background would be killed off
It's worth remembering that the 2nd company are the "guardians of the temple" and thus where, presumably the primary force charged with the defence of the shrine to Gulliman when the Black Legion attacked trying to prevent his ressurection. they also accompanied Gulliman to Terra (that force took not insignfcigent casualties) honestly the only suprise for me was how FEW Primaris Marines are in 2nd company. I half expected them to have more primaris then regular
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 18:48:02
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Implacable Black Templar Initiate
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BrianDavion wrote:GAdvance wrote: Kellevil wrote:And now they have some asshat primaris named Captain Acheron leading the company.
Also they got rid of all the named Sergeants and other characters like Chaplain Trajan. The only one that is the same is Sgt Atavian and the two Dreadnoughts Ultracius and Agnathio.
I mean the Ultramarines have to go through some serious gak right around the time Guilliman comes back to life, it makes sense that a lot of the old named guys who are background would be killed off
It's worth remembering that the 2nd company are the "guardians of the temple" and thus where, presumably the primary force charged with the defence of the shrine to Gulliman when the Black Legion attacked trying to prevent his ressurection. they also accompanied Gulliman to Terra (that force took not insignfcigent casualties) honestly the only suprise for me was how FEW Primaris Marines are in 2nd company. I half expected them to have more primaris then regular
In 'the gathering storm 3' it said that the Ultramarines 2nd company took 50% casualties, wich I doubt would include 9 of the 10 sergeants (actually 10 of the 11 sergeants if you count the command squad). Anyway, it just irks me, this is just a prelude to the replacement of them all so they can sell the Primaris stuff. It would have been much cooler if they had promoted one of the veteran sergeants from 2nd company to be the captain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 19:07:20
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Kellevil wrote:BrianDavion wrote:GAdvance wrote: Kellevil wrote:And now they have some asshat primaris named Captain Acheron leading the company.
Also they got rid of all the named Sergeants and other characters like Chaplain Trajan. The only one that is the same is Sgt Atavian and the two Dreadnoughts Ultracius and Agnathio.
I mean the Ultramarines have to go through some serious gak right around the time Guilliman comes back to life, it makes sense that a lot of the old named guys who are background would be killed off
It's worth remembering that the 2nd company are the "guardians of the temple" and thus where, presumably the primary force charged with the defence of the shrine to Gulliman when the Black Legion attacked trying to prevent his ressurection. they also accompanied Gulliman to Terra (that force took not insignfcigent casualties) honestly the only suprise for me was how FEW Primaris Marines are in 2nd company. I half expected them to have more primaris then regular
In 'the gathering storm 3' it said that the Ultramarines 2nd company took 50% casualties, wich I doubt would include 9 of the 10 sergeants (actually 10 of the 11 sergeants if you count the command squad). Anyway, it just irks me, this is just a prelude to the replacement of them all so they can sell the Primaris stuff. It would have been much cooler if they had promoted one of the veteran sergeants from 2nd company to be the captain.
if they where going to use this to flog primaris marines they'd have included a lot more then just 3 Primaris squads in the new line up.
that's 50% casualties from GS3 alone (proably less as I suspect the figure is from the battle for the temple, or the march to terra) thats hardly the only action the 2nd company has seen.
assuming that the 2nd company composition was dated at the beginning of GS3, since then they've had the Black Legion invasion of Macragge, the trip to Terra, a demonic invasion of Terra, the return home from Terra that saw Sicurious lost (it's a miracle that only part of the 2nd was lost with him as opposed to the whole company) and then DECADES of Battle with the Death Guard.
expecting their composition to be virtually the same is kinda silly if you ask me. Also chances are any of the sergents from before where some of the top canidates for promotion to the rank of Leuitenant. Also the Chaplain isn't specificly named so it's quite possiable or even likely that it's still Chaplain Trajan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 19:07:25
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Terrifying Doombull
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Random ultramarines captain number #14. I'm not particularly sure why anyone would remember him.
Unless he was the one that was half-eldar originally?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 19:25:37
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Voss wrote:.
Random ultramarines captain number #14. I'm not particularly sure why anyone would remember him.
Unless he was the one that was half-eldar originally?
yeah so random he has his own rules and model! totally random
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 19:48:28
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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Voss wrote:.
Random ultramarines captain number #14. I'm not particularly sure why anyone would remember him.
Unless he was the one that was half-eldar originally?
Haha, Cato is the ONLY Ultramarines Captain to have his own model and his own rules. You have to make Agemman and Fabian and the others, and they have generic rules.
People remember him because of that, and because of his legendary badassery and ego.
He was Captain of 2nd Co, and now leads the Victrix Guard and attends Guilliman as sort of a wartime consigliere.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 20:11:01
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Cato Sicarius is my favourite Space Marine Character and to me he is how I see the Ultramarines as a whole.
A loyal, eficient and brave warrior, but hungry for power, with a very big ego, etc... with virtues and flaws.
Thats how I like my Ultramarines. Fancy romans that love to build efficient states, the first to go to the battle, and the first to grab the power after the dust of the battle has set down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 20:14:01
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I think Guilliman apparently sees Sicarius like he saw Thiel, during the Heresy. He's trying to mould him into a better, more thoughtful Astartes, I thought?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 20:29:51
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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Pr3Mu5 wrote:verticalgain wrote:beast_gts wrote: Pr3Mu5 wrote:Was he?
I'm not sure I remember reading that... page number?
It's early in the book. He's one of Guilliman's Honour Guard, and Guilliman comments that he's spent the best part of the last 100 years trying to turn him into a decent Ultramarine :-)
Yep. He says something like he's trying to teach Cato to be more diplomatic.
Apologies, I have read the section referring to Guilliman training Cato almost in the same manner as he has been testing Felix during the Indomitus Crusade. I meant, where in Gathering Storm does it say that Sicarius was lost in the warp?
It's in the new SM codex entry, which chronologically took place at the end of Gathering Storm, before Dark Imperium.
I'm hoping for a novel detailing his adventures in the warp and his recovery of the Macragge's Honour.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 20:41:38
Subject: Re:Cato Sicarius
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actually trhe codex dates after dark Imperium, his being in DI was basicly an error. thats clear
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 20:49:43
Subject: Re:Cato Sicarius
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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BrianDavion wrote:actually trhe codex dates after dark Imperium, his being in DI was basicly an error. thats clear
Is it?
His page says his fleet was lost in the warp on their way to Ultramar to muster for the start of the Indomitus Crusade.
Dark Imperium takes place 112 years after that.
It's conceivable that he escaped from the warp at some point in the intervening period.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 20:53:25
Subject: Re:Cato Sicarius
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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verticalgain wrote:BrianDavion wrote:actually trhe codex dates after dark Imperium, his being in DI was basicly an error. thats clear
Is it?
His page says his fleet was lost in the warp on their way to Ultramar to muster for the start of the Indomitus Crusade.
Dark Imperium takes place 112 years after that.
It's conceivable that he escaped from the warp at some point in the intervening period.
except it would have proably mentioned that. I think it's more likely Guy Haley simply lacked ALL the details. when he was writing, Cato Sicarius being lost in the warp may have even been a last minute change
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/01 20:58:58
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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I just assumed Haley glossed over it because someone else is writing "Escape from the Warp: The Cato Sicarius Story" and he didn't want to step on any toes.
It is possible it's a mistake though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/02 12:24:08
Subject: Cato Sicarius
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Ah fair enough, I've found the reference you're talking about in the Codex. To me it is just an indication that GW writers as a collective (including codex and novel writers) aren't all on the same page as to where the universe currently stands.
In the Gathering Storm book 3 Sicarius is at Terra with Guilliman at the close of the Terran Crusade so it hasn't happened during that period. He is included in the Dark Imperium novel which picks up the end of the Indomitus Crusade and he isn't lost in the warp by the time that the book closes when Guilliman and his armada has arrived at and is currently defending Ultramar. The fact that the Codex says that Cato and half the fleet he was with were lost on their way to Ultramar indicates that it happened before Guillimans arrival back in the system. In that case he wouldn't be in the DI book.
I would guess that, rather than it being a set up for a story arch, not all the writers have been given the same information or that GW in general isn't coordinating them properly in this transition from taking the setting into a story line, then again consistency has never been GW's strong point.
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