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Man the amount of tears in this thread could fill an ocean. If you don't like the mission or think that GW is intentionally skewing the results then don't play in it and just play other games for fun. The whole point of it is to be a fun and fluffy campaign between two factions (SM and CSM) and people lose their minds when the mission favors the types of units they want to bring.

Killermonkey wrote:
Man the amount of tears in this thread could fill an ocean. If you don't like the mission or think that GW is intentionally skewing the results then don't play in it and just play other games for fun. The whole point of it is to be a fun and fluffy campaign between two factions (SM and CSM) and people lose their minds when the mission favors the types of units they want to bring.

Because when GW go "This is your chance to effect the story of the fluff!" when the odds are stacked so high against anybody but the Imperium I think people ought to, quite rightly, point it out.

I wish I could get excited about this. I was thrilled about a global campaign to kick of 8th edition, but I can't get myself to care. I hope Imperium wins every week, so GW can't deny they have to do a better job next time. I can't believe how horribadly they timed this.

 Mayk0l wrote:
I wish I could get excited about this. I was thrilled about a global campaign to kick of 8th edition, but I can't get myself to care. I hope Imperium wins every week, so GW can't deny they have to do a better job next time. I can't believe how horribadly they timed this.

Yeah, right. All they'll see is that everyone loves the Imperium, especially the new and totes kewlz0rz Primaris Marines, and put more of them out.

EVERY mission thus far has been super unfair. If anything, Week 2 seems actually the closest - Stacked towards certain armies, but not nearly as badly stacked towards one player role.
Compare Week 1, where Player 1 got points for killing units and Player 2 got points for not dying... But only if they got close to Player 1s units. In an edition that is super bloody and where super-tanky units are few and far between.

Or Week 3, where the attacker is rewarded for prematurely killing their units. In order to get points, they have to hack their own army to pieces. (Though if an Imperial player were to attack they could cram a Drop Pod full of Acolytes and get 10 VPs for 180pts.)

Waaaghpower wrote:
EVERY mission thus far has been super unfair. If anything, Week 2 seems actually the closest - Stacked towards certain armies, but not nearly as badly stacked towards one player role.
Compare Week 1, where Player 1 got points for killing units and Player 2 got points for not dying... But only if they got close to Player 1s units. In an edition that is super bloody and where super-tanky units are few and far between.

Or Week 3, where the attacker is rewarded for prematurely killing their units. In order to get points, they have to hack their own army to pieces. (Though if an Imperial player were to attack they could cram a Drop Pod full of Acolytes and get 10 VPs for 180pts.)

What ? There's no victory points for having your own units killed.

 Arkaine wrote:
Well then I can't wait for the lore to advance to the point were the Emperor is murdered by Zombie Horus and replaced by Guilliman, who is crowned the next Everchosen by Cypher as he succeeds his mission to appoint an Emperor's successor.

Then again, with their stocks worth between 2 and 4 times what they have been, GW might just pad the company up, sell it to Disney, then retire in glory while we get Warhammer 40k movies, comic books, action figures, and Marvel rebooting the entire universe every 2 years.

I wouldn't want Marvel Comics anywhere near AoS or 40K at all.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:

 Arkaine wrote:
Well then I can't wait for the lore to advance to the point were the Emperor is murdered by Zombie Horus and replaced by Guilliman, who is crowned the next Everchosen by Cypher as he succeeds his mission to appoint an Emperor's successor.

Then again, with their stocks worth between 2 and 4 times what they have been, GW might just pad the company up, sell it to Disney, then retire in glory while we get Warhammer 40k movies, comic books, action figures, and Marvel rebooting the entire universe every 2 years.

I wouldn't want Marvel Comics anywhere near AoS or 40K at all.

There are worse fates for fans of a franchise than to have disney purchase the rights to it. Disney respects it's source material, loves it fans, and can bring more funding and talent to a project than a medium sized country. With that said I don't think 40k is in any danger, too far outside of Disney's wheelhouse.

I played the first mission of the campaign and decided it wasn't for me, as a xenos player they don't really care about my involvement, and things are pretty unbalanced right now. As of right now I'm in a holding pattern for chapter approved.

Actually I found that week 3 here has been the most fair. You don't even need to get vehicles across the table as long as you bring a ton of them and just kill everything on the table with them. Plow down groups until there's almost nothing left and finish them with vehicles for 2 points rather than 1. Or do that and all the while make your vehicles truck across the board for more points.

Everyone has access to vehicles so it really doesn't favor one group over another.

 mmzero252 wrote:
Actually I found that week 3 here has been the most fair. You don't even need to get vehicles across the table as long as you bring a ton of them and just kill everything on the table with them. Plow down groups until there's almost nothing left and finish them with vehicles for 2 points rather than 1. Or do that and all the while make your vehicles truck across the board for more points.

Everyone has access to vehicles so it really doesn't favor one group over another.

*Cough cough Tyranids cough*

Week three is pretty well balanced, as long as you ignore the gak they put in there about the terrain suggestions. That is a dumb suggestion. Minimal terrain and just craters? Noooo thank you, absolutely not in this edition. I've played two games of it, using a decently balanced board, but giving the 'defender' side a more fortified position. And a good ammount of LOS blocking, as is pretty much mandatory given how strong shooting is.

I played a super fast Eldar list, mainly focusing on Jetbikes and Warp Spiders, with a few foot units. Using Ynnari rules. Played against a Parking Lot guard army, and still managed to win when I only had a pair of vehicles, the Wave Serpent and Fire Prism.

Second match was one where I got tabled by Orks when I was defender.

But I swear, if Week 4 is yet another boring Attack/Defend set up, instead of using contested objectives, I'm just not going to play the Campaign.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
Actually I found that week 3 here has been the most fair. You don't even need to get vehicles across the table as long as you bring a ton of them and just kill everything on the table with them. Plow down groups until there's almost nothing left and finish them with vehicles for 2 points rather than 1. Or do that and all the while make your vehicles truck across the board for more points.

Everyone has access to vehicles so it really doesn't favor one group over another.

*Cough cough Tyranids cough*

.....Touché... Though you could shenanigans in genestealer cult vehicles..but I see your issue.

Played against a list with 4 Wave Serpents and a Hemlock. My opponent was fair and wanted to have a fight but otherwise he just had to sprint through my lines, disembark at the edge of the table and go through with it (which he did at the end of the game to win, can't blame him). Yes it does favor certain armies. AdMech vehicles are slow or flimsy, and you'd have to bring loads of them.

I'm just tired of scenarios where you can tailor your list just to win it, at least in regular games there's still a random mission coming, here you're just "oh well full x then" every time.

 mmzero252 wrote:
Actually I found that week 3 here has been the most fair. You don't even need to get vehicles across the table as long as you bring a ton of them and just kill everything on the table with them. Plow down groups until there's almost nothing left and finish them with vehicles for 2 points rather than 1. Or do that and all the while make your vehicles truck across the board for more points.

Everyone has access to vehicles so it really doesn't favor one group over another.

Except that imperium has better vehicles for the defender role, while chaos, as the attacker, is limited due to daemon engines being shorter ranged, slower, and worse BS, so that leaves las-predators and landraiders. Thus Chaos is at a big disadvantage as the only way they can swing the VPs their way is to travel 4.5 feet of table and survive.

As a Guard player, the missions have been pretty stupid for me to play to begin with. For week 2 I made a friendly agreement with opponents that we ignored the 2 VP rule for getting a kill with a 2+ or 3+ unit. However, week 3 was fair game.

In all honesty I do not understand why people are expecting GW to do a fair and balanced campaign where Chaos has a chance of winning, or have we forgotten the retcon of the last global campaigns result? "Well sure Chaos, you utterly smashed the guys on the ground and by these results you have managed to smash the Imperium, but HEEREEEE are some other results that we missed first time round for the fighting in space and oh look, sorry but you lost".

And do not forget, as Arbitrator rightfully mentioned, the screaming from the Marine players when they lost a single battle in the fluff. One battle which was never fought on the table but written in to allow another race to have its moment of glory and expand the story a bit and what happened? The internet went into red alert a the marine player screamed about how wrong this was.
Now imagine the shitstorm if they actually lost the campaign? Would you want to be responsible for that?

Actually what this all comes down to is GW's precedent for spoiling Marine players over the past decade or so, which has resulted in many Marine players becoming accustomed to getting their own way and always winning.
A true case of reaping what you sowed.

I checked out the starting numbers for this week and Chaos had almost complete control in all sectors. Now its only slightly In Chaos' favor. It's been what 2 days?

Like I said earlier in the thread, this is just like Season of War where the whole thing is setup so that the "good guys" win and so that GW doesn't have to change its narrative. Even though they told the community that they would do so based on the results.

 Grimgold wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:

 Arkaine wrote:
Well then I can't wait for the lore to advance to the point were the Emperor is murdered by Zombie Horus and replaced by Guilliman, who is crowned the next Everchosen by Cypher as he succeeds his mission to appoint an Emperor's successor.

Then again, with their stocks worth between 2 and 4 times what they have been, GW might just pad the company up, sell it to Disney, then retire in glory while we get Warhammer 40k movies, comic books, action figures, and Marvel rebooting the entire universe every 2 years.

I wouldn't want Marvel Comics anywhere near AoS or 40K at all.

There are worse fates for fans of a franchise than to have disney purchase the rights to it. Disney respects it's source material, loves it fans, and can bring more funding and talent to a project than a medium sized country. With that said I don't think 40k is in any danger, too far outside of Disney's wheelhouse.

I played the first mission of the campaign and decided it wasn't for me, as a xenos player they don't really care about my involvement, and things are pretty unbalanced right now. As of right now I'm in a holding pattern for chapter approved.

I'm not worried about Disney, I'm worried about Marvel Comics getting it. The Disney side of things would be fine, the comic side of things would be trash.