Necromunda Underhive, new pics p 53

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**Warhams-77**

HELL YES!

And I welcome updated/new rules

Via Anthony - Yaktribe.org

Hang on lads... fair bit more info coming in here: https://twitter.com/FanaticCast

pics of other Escher and Goliath here: https://twitter.com/FanaticCast/status/896661040926253057

"Game loosely based on 8th but expanded mechanics. Intergrates turn sequence, model by model activation. Leaders and champions help.."
"By activating additional models, juices need to be near others to guarantee activation"
"Action based and with the full Rogue Trader stat line...."
"More skill tables including leader and trade ones."
"Plastic gangs and then outlanders then expanding to new gangs!!!! Takes time."
"Working of John Blanche original sketch book for more awesome stuff. Release should be November slot. First 6 gangs release schedule sorted.

**Kanluwen**

Chikout wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Whoa...

I guess Shadow War can go off the to buy list (does GW realize at this point they're canabalizing themselves?)

Any chance of Arbites?

I don't think it matters to them that much. They already made a ton of money from shadow war and now everyone has some good terrain to play Necromunda on.

It's also worth mentioning that Shadow War wasn't expected to be anything beyond people buying it for the new scenery.

Remember how long we had to wait for the rulebooks to get released by themselves?

**Yodhrin**

Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

**Elbows**

I'm cautiously optimistic. I was very much expecting resin and thus, very much was not going to buy anything. Plastic changes everything (even though I'd still take metal!).

I think GW might be shocked by the amount of sales from all over the place for these minis - and how many people will be buying the box just for discounted terrain (i.e. those who missed out on SWA).

The plastic minis will all make great cultists and optional 40K minis for a variety of bits/equipment. Goliaths will make perfect cultists for Khorne, etc. Cawdor hopefully could be used as Imperial cultists themselves. I do hope they release arbites with cyber-mastiffs etc. There's quite a large old school Necromunda base which will buy the models even if they don't adapt to the new game, etc.

**kendoka**

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it
I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it
And I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want it!!!!

**Vorian**

Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

I'm delighted there are new rules. Alternative activation in a GW game? Amazing news.

**Warhams-77**

Great conversion

And yes, tons of conversion potential with new plastic models

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Easy weapon swaps is the best bit

**Cosmic Schwung**

Really looking forward to some new spyrer models. Always thought they had a lot of potential but the models they came up with looked ugly.

**Warhams-77**

Vorian wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

I'm delighted there are new rules. Alternative activation in a GW game? Amazing news.

The current 2nd Ed based Necromunda rules are available everywhere, the Community Edition is even free. It is good imo there will be a mix of 1st-8th Ed. It could add elements from Rogue Trader, Confrontation and 8th Ed to the Necromunda system. Let's see what they will come up with

Rules are not the issue after Shadow War let people (re-)learn 2nd Ed-Necro. We will find players either way

**insaniak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
The part that I like the most about this is the variation the new miniatures allow.

I mean, I love Necromunda, but at the end of the day they only ever released 17 Delaque miniatures, and 17 Cawdor miniatures and 20 (IIRC) Escher miniatures.

New plastic versions that can be given tons of different weapon options? That's fantastic. And including the things that just weren't around at the time (Needle Pistols, Web Pistols/Webbers, etc.) now that they have them in the CAD files, well that's even better.

Indeed, there's all sorts of potential there. My concern, from those pics, is that they look awfully tall... Will be a bit of a bummer if these are Primaris scale.

Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

While the 'comfort' of the old rules cleaned up seems easier, I'm not against some streamlining of the clunkier aspects of the 2nd edition rules. And 8th edition's cover rules certainly wouldn't be as stupid with 'units' all of 1 model...

**The Infinite**

Vorian wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

I'm delighted there are new rules. Alternative activation in a GW game? Amazing news.

You mean like in Epic (god know what edition though, I lost track years ago)...

**Vorian**

Yup, one of their best rulesets. But alternative action in Necromunda will make for a much better game

**The Infinite**

Having been spoiled for years now with a balanced and supported ruleset from Corvus Belli, alt activation in a skirmish game really doesn't impress me.
Getting functional reactions (lol at "overwatch" in 40k...), like a reason to care about what's happening in my opponent's turn and some interaction beyond rolling saves, that'd be nice to see.

**Chikout**

The Infinite wrote:
Vorian wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

I'm delighted there are new rules. Alternative activation in a GW game? Amazing news.

You mean like in Epic (god know what edition though, I lost track years ago)...

Shadespire has alternative activation too. Good to see gw changing their typical formula up a little.

**General Helstrom**

Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm. Not convinced by the idea of new rules, was hoping based on Blood Bowl it would be a quick tidy of the existing ones, but I'll reserve judgement until we know more about the postgame.

I'm of the opposite opinion - my one disappointment with Blood Bowl was that they didn't take the opportunity to build a slicker, more '2017' set of rules. As it is I now have a wonderfully produced game with beautiful figures that no-one wants to play with me because it takes forever to even get to half-time :( A new set of skirmish rules, especially if it has a new activation system, sounds amazing!

**Mymearan**

I'm going to need at least one of every box of models they release for this game. I'm going to die a happy man, drowning in little plastic gangers. It's going to be expensive, but I have to. It's in my blood.

**Bottle**

Mymearan wrote:
I'm going to need at least one of every box of models they release for this game. I'm going to die a happy man, drowning in little plastic gangers. It's going to be expensive, but I have to. It's in my blood.

Hell yeah! The price shouldn't be too bad though if you've gotten used to paying eBay prices for Eschers!

**Inquisitor Kallus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
They've painted her skin like a Necromancer recently returned her from the grave. Everything else is fine though.

It's a well known fact that, living in the Necromunda Underhive, Eschers get a lot of exposure to sunlight......

So glad Necromunda is being released again, cant wait. Love the new Goliaths, very brutal looking

**Mymearan**

Painter confirmed on FB that eschers are on 25mm and Goliaths on 32mm. So Eschers should be in scale with other human ranges.

**Warhams-77**

Again via Anthony - Yaktribe.org

From LittlePlasicSoldiers

"We have an info dump of information for you from speaking to the amazing Specialist Games veteran designer Andy Hoare at The Forge World Open Day 2017.

So we are broadly looking at a game based on the 8th Edition 40k mechanics, but tailored to skirmish warfare. We see the edition of Action Points, that can be used to active gangers in a similar way to how Space Hulk works. Different actions will cost different points, such as activating a Heavy will cost two Action Points, whereas your run of the mill Ganger will cost only one.

We are looking at a release schedule much like BloodBlowl, this is the ‘Preview’, launch of the initial box set will follow in the same sort of timescale as from when BloodBowl was ‘Previewed’ then launched.

The box itself will contain the Escher and Goliath gangers we have seen already, the rules, accoutrements and most likely Shadow War terrain. The Specialist Games studio do not have the resources to produce terrain solely for Necromunda, so they are trail blazing the Shadow War release with all the cool terrain that was released with that boxed set, and subsequently in individual kits until present. The rules will allow for play in the way we are used to on gangways, ramps and gantries, but also in tunnels making use of the Zone Mortalis tiles available from Forge World.

We will see all the gangs from Hive Primus return, along with the gangs from Outlanders and Fanatic. We will also see new gangs and some expansion of the fluff on Necromunda.

HIVE SECONDUS was written about in the Fanatic days, a Hive overrun by Genstealer cult, nuked by the Necromunda Defence Forces to rid the planet of the infestation. However, the hive toppled on its side with most of the Cultists surviving resulting in the Defence Forces building a large trench system in the surrounding Ash Wastes to isolate the remains of the Hive from the rest f the planet. It is hinted we will be visiting this intreaging story in the future!

We will be posting updates as we get them!"

**Vorian**

Those Goliaths are going to be huge then. They're going to dwarf my Catachan/Marauder conversions like my conversions dwarf the original models!

**Inquisitor Kallus**

Mymearan wrote:
Painter confirmed on FB that eschers are on 25mm and Goliaths on 32mm. So Eschers should be in scale with other human ranges.

Do you have a link to their page?

Do they mean theyll be on 25mm and 32mm in the boxset, or that the eschers in the community pics are on 25mm? Because if so that would mean new 25mm adeptusmechanicum industrial bases, which I really really want. Th e photos do however seem like theyre the 32s which would be disappointing :(

**Warhams-77**

These bases

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHGUdKGXUAEaXXg.jpg

There is a combo pack with 25mm and other bases in that range

**PsychoticStorm**

"Working of John Blanche original sketch book for more awesome stuff. Release should be November slot. First 6 gangs release schedule sorted.

Oh that, can they just retire him and never ever use his art as inspiration ever again? his vision is what ruined the elegance of 40k and turned it into the "grimdark" visual waste it is today.

His vision was stellar in Mordheim, but nowhere else.

**Gamgee**

This does nothing for me. It's in that weird zone between large scale wargame and an rpg tabletop game that just doesn't cut it as either for me. I'll be waiting for 2018 as well, for the new 40k rpg.

Good to see others happy though.

**AegisGrimm**

No, his art was pretty much the basis of Necromunda. As with Mordheim vs. Fantasy, Necromunda was supposed to be waaaay darker than 40k.

**nicromancer**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
"Working of John Blanche original sketch book for more awesome stuff. Release should be November slot. First 6 gangs release schedule sorted.

Oh that, can they just retire him and never ever use his art as inspiration ever again? his vision is what ruined the elegance of 40k and turned it into the "grimdark" visual waste it is today.

His vision was stellar in Mordheim, but nowhere else.

John blanches vision built the 40k universe, His artwork is in every edition and the contrast between his and jes goodwins style is what has given 40k it's unique blend of baroque eccentricity and sleek retro futurism.
necromunda back in the day was based almost entirely on blanches work, Making it without looking at his sketches would be stupid.

**Inquisitor Kallus**

Warhams-77 wrote:
These bases

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHGUdKGXUAEaXXg.jpg

There is a combo pack with 25mm and other bases in that range

Thankyou squire, you have just made my day

**Starfarer**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Again via Anthony - Yaktribe.org

From LittlePlasicSoldiers

"We have an info dump of information for you from speaking to the amazing Specialist Games veteran designer Andy Hoare at The Forge World Open Day 2017.

So we are broadly looking at a game based on the 8th Edition 40k mechanics, but tailored to skirmish warfare. We see the edition of Action Points, that can be used to active gangers in a similar way to how Space Hulk works. Different actions will cost different points, such as activating a Heavy will cost two Action Points, whereas your run of the mill Ganger will cost only one.

We are looking at a release schedule much like BloodBlowl, this is the ‘Preview’, launch of the initial box set will follow in the same sort of timescale as from when BloodBowl was ‘Previewed’ then launched.

The box itself will contain the Escher and Goliath gangers we have seen already, the rules, accoutrements and most likely Shadow War terrain. The Specialist Games studio do not have the resources to produce terrain solely for Necromunda, so they are trail blazing the Shadow War release with all the cool terrain that was released with that boxed set, and subsequently in individual kits until present. The rules will allow for play in the way we are used to on gangways, ramps and gantries, but also in tunnels making use of the Zone Mortalis tiles available from Forge World.

We will see all the gangs from Hive Primus return, along with the gangs from Outlanders and Fanatic. We will also see new gangs and some expansion of the fluff on Necromunda.

HIVE SECONDUS was written about in the Fanatic days, a Hive overrun by Genstealer cult, nuked by the Necromunda Defence Forces to rid the planet of the infestation. However, the hive toppled on its side with most of the Cultists surviving resulting in the Defence Forces building a large trench system in the surrounding Ash Wastes to isolate the remains of the Hive from the rest f the planet. It is hinted we will be visiting this intreaging story in the future!

We will be posting updates as we get them!"

Freaking fantastic news! This is basically everything I had hope for in a new version of Necromunda. New rules, new gangs, new locations. I'm of course happy to have all the original gangs redone as well, but after playing Necro off and on since 1996, I'm open to them adding more to it! The Hive Seconus setting sounds awesome. I'd love to see Ash Wastes make a full return.

Best news from GW in years!