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Nothing in 40K needs or needed fliers.

there's one flyer that's written in the lore which is a scryrship, something that tech-priests fly around in looking at the battles. Not sure how they would put this into lore tho

 kastelen wrote:
there's one flyer that's written in the lore which is a scryrship, something that tech-priests fly around in looking at the battles. Not sure how they would put this into lore tho

Instead of making it a model, they could always make it a rule "Data Oversight" or something like that. What the rule would do I haven't a clue.

Of course that doesn't really bring in bucks like a brand new flier model....

The rule could be a re-roll to hit but we have cawl for that and the model could be a flying re-roll bubble. Since it holds tech-priests it could always be a flying transport

If we're getting a transport, I'd very much like a plastic Triaros kit. Sure it's huge and expensive but it's a steampunk land-yacht with extra skullz with a hugely ornate ramming spike reinforced with force shields because physical armour is passé – it's possibly the most 40K a single object can be without distorting spacetime just by existing.

 kastelen wrote:
there's one flyer that's written in the lore which is a scryrship, something that tech-priests fly around in looking at the battles. Not sure how they would put this into lore tho

Back in the day Serpantor had his flying chariot thing, I can kind of see that working for the Mech.



Flying pulpit/chariot with short range weapons and a buff bubble.

 kastelen wrote:
there's one flyer that's written in the lore which is a scryrship, something that tech-priests fly around in looking at the battles. Not sure how they would put this into lore tho

I would love something like this. Shooty stuff that removes enemy models from the table is all well and good, but I want more support units! Mechanicum in 30k is exactly how I want my Admech to play, with many support choices that synergizes beautifully with the rest of the army.

In my Reductor list my Archmagos is much more of a support unit than anything else, buffing nearby units instead of shooting etc. He also takes 4 Cyber Occularis with him, one of my favourite upgrades ever. They deploy with the Archmagos, then split up and become individual units. They act as spotters for artillery, as well as letting the Archmagos buff units from them as well as himself, with the correct upgrades.

Stuff like this is awesome, and it really cements for me the idea of Admech fighting a war. Sure, they blow stuff up (especially Reductor..) but they do it in a calculated way, with so much information flying between them that no other force could keep up. A flyer, or even a bigger drone type of model, that scans the battlefield, buffing other models shooting or movement, that is what I want.

So basically I just want to use my 30k Mechanicum in 40k as well. Fires of Cyraxus, please? It might not add all the models though, that's hihgly unlikely, but still. A man can dream.

I was going to post that I hope for more robots, and look up the name of the one I was most hoping for - the Crusader/Vorax - on the Forgeworld site ... and I can't seem to find them.

Did the robots not sell well and were dropped or perhaps GW is going to redo them in plastic?

Oh no please keep flyers away from my army, we never needed flyers they have nothing to do at the scale of the game we're playing. Maybe for Apocalypse games with a boosted speed, but Gw decided long ago that Apocalypse could be played at any points level and now we're forced to play loads of heavy weapons because everyone at my store plays at least one super-heavy at 2000 pts.

Either we have a transport or we get the Scout rule back, with our 6+ FNP. Right now it's hard to play a mobile firing line when all my units get shot in once or die to morale. This form of gameplay is simply discouraged by our actual rules. I'd love to play my Kastelan Robots on Aegis mode so that their flamers can hit something but the penalty for moving with heavy weapons makes it just impossible to play without Cawl, and still.

Speaking of Cawl, oh yes please a generic Archmagos model, I can't stand seing Cawl in every list because he's just a no-brainer. We better have some really nice rules for Forge Worlds other than Mars to motivate people not to play Mars.

Or yeah, go crazy and release the 30k Mechanicum in 40k. It'd be expensive but honestly if the rules are good I'll never have to complain again about my army.

I´m with yodhrin with this in 40k there is no real need for flyers.

The flying chariots/discs should be more a thing of drukhari (hellions).

@Stromonu: the vorax are still available at Forgeworld.

I wouldn't mind if admech got one flyer, it's just mainly about unit diversity and more possible detachments for me

Firefox1 wrote:
I´m with yodhrin with this in 40k there is no real need for flyers.

The flying chariots/discs should be more a thing of drukhari (hellions).

@Stromonu: the vorax are still available at Forgeworld.

Ah, thanks!

I also agree with no flyers - though an ornithopter sort of jump unit would be interesting. Some sort of armored transport would be really nice.

I don't disagree that we can have stuff that flies, just not Flyers in the sense of Stormravens or Corvus Blackstars. Why not include the Vultarax ?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/Mechanicum-Vultarax-Stratos-Automata

Yes that would fit. As fast attack choice?
My first thought looking at it was "bloat drone".

 Stormonu wrote:
I was going to post that I hope for more robots, and look up the name of the one I was most hoping for - the Crusader/Vorax - on the Forgeworld site ... and I can't seem to find them.

Did the robots not sell well and were dropped or perhaps GW is going to redo them in plastic?

They haven't gone anywhere.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Mechanicum-Vorax-Battle-Automata

It would be nice to see an AdMech upgrade sprue to make several other vehicles into Admech versions, like some icons, a servitor/skitarii cupola model, and some mech specific pintle mounts.

'Fires of Cyraxus' has some of the FW units in it, and will be released once the AdMech & Tau codex are out (so hopefully Tau is after Admech)

I'd rather have our own vehicle than using the 30 years old sprues personally :/ I'd see a tough vehicle for the AdMech, albeit slower (like 10" move ?) but more heavily armed than a Rhino. A blend of a Rhino and Land Raider stat-wise.

If they do blend in units from 30k the possibilities for list-building will be endless, I could finally consider running a Brigade with other fast attack choices than Dragoons.

 Aaranis wrote:
I'd rather have our own vehicle than using the 30 years old sprues personally :/ I'd see a tough vehicle for the AdMech, albeit slower (like 10" move ?) but more heavily armed than a Rhino. A blend of a Rhino and Land Raider stat-wise.

If they do blend in units from 30k the possibilities for list-building will be endless, I could finally consider running a Brigade with other fast attack choices than Dragoons.

Using 30k Mechanicum in 40k would be great. I would give 40k another try if I could use my Mechanicum models as Ad-Mech. But as it stands, its Horus Heresy for me.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Using 30k Mechanicum in 40k would be great. I would give 40k another try if I could use my Mechanicum models as Ad-Mech. But as it stands, its Horus Heresy for me.

Ah understandable, you have loads of beautiful models already, you'd need to re-buy a whole army to play in 40k. Patience my friend ! I always loved the 30k Mechanicum models (especially the Thallax, Domitar and Thanatar) and wanted to buy some. I love big robots.

Also can't wait for the rules for the Secutarii and hopefully a model for the Secutarii Axiarch.

 Aaranis wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Using 30k Mechanicum in 40k would be great. I would give 40k another try if I could use my Mechanicum models as Ad-Mech. But as it stands, its Horus Heresy for me.

Ah understandable, you have loads of beautiful models already, you'd need to re-buy a whole army to play in 40k. Patience my friend ! I always loved the 30k Mechanicum models (especially the Thallax, Domitar and Thanatar) and wanted to buy some. I love big robots.

Also can't wait for the rules for the Secutarii and hopefully a model for the Secutarii Axiarch.

I'm in the same boat. I would never buy an Admech army, however much I want to play them, since I have around 3500 points of 30k Mechanicum. If I need to get some models that's fine, since I doubt the whole 30k line up will be in Fires of Cyraxus.

However many units do get a 40k variant, I will just be playing 30k until Fires comes out. Then I might give 8th edition som more attention.

 Aaranis wrote:
I'd rather have our own vehicle than using the 30 years old sprues personally :/ I'd see a tough vehicle for the AdMech, albeit slower (like 10" move ?) but more heavily armed than a Rhino. A blend of a Rhino and Land Raider stat-wise.

None of the current vehicle kits are 30 years old. But don't let that stop you from exaggerating wildly while unrealistically wishlisting!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

It would be nice to see an AdMech upgrade sprue to make several other vehicles into Admech versions, like some icons, a servitor/skitarii cupola model, and some mech specific pintle mounts.

Along with standalone-Cawl, this is the best that we can hope for right now. Like CSM and GK, this is a re-release codex. Once all the codices are released, we might see some revisitation, but I'd actually hope for more of a RT-era style of releases where quite a lot of different factions could get new releases at any time without needing a book. Rules for the new released in WD as in the old days - and in the box, downloadable and reprinted in the annual CA.

A little add-on sprue. Just like the GS Cult one, or the DW one, or the DA one and access to either the Rhino or Chimera. The Rhino fits with the (older) fluff better, but they went to a lot of effort over the years stripping it back from other factions and making it SM-only, and have only just slightly relaxed that with the Custodes and SoS (because they had no plastic kits.) Maybe the Chimera would fit better in that context.

Skitarii use Rhinos & Chimeras (and Valkyries) in the fluff, so an upgrade sprue is a good idea.

They also have their own variants: "Accompanied by a cluster of servitor scribes, skitarii guildmasters and apprentice magi, Dahan made his way through the safe zone in the centre of the deck on the back of an open-topped variant of the Rhino chassis with a quad-mounted battery of heavy bolters fitted to its glacis. Known as an Iron Fist, it had been developed from a scrap of STC data uncovered on forge world Porphetus prior to its loss to the bio-horrors of the Great Devourer. It had yet to achieve full Mechanicus ratification, but Dahan liked its blunt profile and the single-mindedness of its purpose enough to employ it regardless of its unofficial status"

 Azazelx wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
I'd rather have our own vehicle than using the 30 years old sprues personally :/ I'd see a tough vehicle for the AdMech, albeit slower (like 10" move ?) but more heavily armed than a Rhino. A blend of a Rhino and Land Raider stat-wise.

None of the current vehicle kits are 30 years old. But don't let that stop you from exaggerating wildly while unrealistically wishlisting!

My mother always told me to follow my dreams ! They're not 30 years old but how old are the Rhinos and Land Raider kits ? Plus, people dislike assembling the Land Raider for some reason, I hate assembling so I'd rather have a clean new sprue. Rhino is okay if they want to add it in, I'm just sick of Rhinos in every faction.

 Aaranis wrote:
They're not 30 years old but how old are the Rhinos and Land Raider kits?

Not 30 years old either.

40K is 30 years old. The current Leman Russ kit and current Land Raider kit didn't come 'til much later.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
They're not 30 years old but how old are the Rhinos and Land Raider kits?

Not 30 years old either.

40K is 30 years old. The current Leman Russ kit and current Land Raider kit didn't come 'til much later.

The Rhino came out in 2002, so he was half right

beast_gts wrote:
Skitarii use Rhinos & Chimeras (and Valkyries) in the fluff, so an upgrade sprue is a good idea.

They also have their own variants: "Accompanied by a cluster of servitor scribes, skitarii guildmasters and apprentice magi, Dahan made his way through the safe zone in the centre of the deck on the back of an open-topped variant of the Rhino chassis with a quad-mounted battery of heavy bolters fitted to its glacis. Known as an Iron Fist, it had been developed from a scrap of STC data uncovered on forge world Porphetus prior to its loss to the bio-horrors of the Great Devourer. It had yet to achieve full Mechanicus ratification, but Dahan liked its blunt profile and the single-mindedness of its purpose enough to employ it regardless of its unofficial status"

Variants are fine, but if we're being realistic, we're not getting those (right now, at least). We may get a single, small-box-size sprue. I'd love to have more, but being realistic...


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 Aaranis wrote:

My mother always told me to follow my dreams ! They're not 30 years old but how old are the Rhinos and Land Raider kits ? Plus, people dislike assembling the Land Raider for some reason, I hate assembling so I'd rather have a clean new sprue. Rhino is okay if they want to add it in, I'm just sick of Rhinos in every faction.

By every faction, you mean all the flavours of Space Marines and also Sisters of Silence, I presume? Unless there's more I don't know about? Looted Ork stuff, I guess. Didn't notice the Tau or Necron Rhinos.

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
They're not 30 years old but how old are the Rhinos and Land Raider kits?

Not 30 years old either.

40K is 30 years old. The current Leman Russ kit and current Land Raider kit didn't come 'til much later.

The Rhino came out in 2002, so he was half right

Land Raider was 2000, Rhino 2002, Leman Russ 2009?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
They're not 30 years old but how old are the Rhinos and Land Raider kits?

Not 30 years old either.

40K is 30 years old. The current Leman Russ kit and current Land Raider kit didn't come 'til much later.

Land Raiders were a gaping hole in the 40k catalogue for a hell of a long time after the RT kit was discontinued. Stuff of Legends has some big holes in it around the early 2000s, but the Old Rhino was still in service in 1998, with no Land Raider available at all. Checking the sprue of a couple of old kits I have (still) unbuilt, the Land Raider says 1999 and the Rhino says 2001. Sometimes they're not released in the same year that the sprues are machined, so 1999-2000 for the LR and 2001-2 for the Rhino.

Not new kits by any means, but nowhere near 30 years old.


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beast_gts wrote:

Land Raider was 2000, Rhino 2002, Leman Russ 2009?

Like I said!

 Azazelx wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Skitarii use Rhinos & Chimeras (and Valkyries) in the fluff, so an upgrade sprue is a good idea.

They also have their own variants: "Accompanied by a cluster of servitor scribes, skitarii guildmasters and apprentice magi, Dahan made his way through the safe zone in the centre of the deck on the back of an open-topped variant of the Rhino chassis with a quad-mounted battery of heavy bolters fitted to its glacis. Known as an Iron Fist, it had been developed from a scrap of STC data uncovered on forge world Porphetus prior to its loss to the bio-horrors of the Great Devourer. It had yet to achieve full Mechanicus ratification, but Dahan liked its blunt profile and the single-mindedness of its purpose enough to employ it regardless of its unofficial status"

Variants are fine, but if we're being realistic, we're not getting those (right now, at least). We may get a single, small-box-size sprue. I'd love to have more, but being realistic...
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 Aaranis wrote:

My mother always told me to follow my dreams ! They're not 30 years old but how old are the Rhinos and Land Raider kits ? Plus, people dislike assembling the Land Raider for some reason, I hate assembling so I'd rather have a clean new sprue. Rhino is okay if they want to add it in, I'm just sick of Rhinos in every faction.

By every faction, you mean all the flavours of Space Marines and also Sisters of Silence, I presume? Unless there's more I don't know about? Looted Ork stuff, I guess. Didn't notice the Tau or Necron Rhinos.

Every flavour of Space Marines, which make up a big part of the game, Deathwatch, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Inquisition. Chaos Space Marines. Add AdMech and yes that would be a consequent part of the factions filled with Rhinos.

Now can we stop being snarky at each other because I didn't state the exact informations in my posts ? Exaggeration must not be a thing where you're from, no problem, I just tend to exaggerate a lot.

Yes they're not 30 years old, they're still over a decade old and showing signs of weariness. Rhinos are totally out of scale with the current models and having a transport not shaped like a brick would be nice for once.

Deathwatch and CSM are both flavours of SM. I did forget the SoB, I don't see Rhinos or Chimeras in the current Inquisition list, but they're more of an add-on to other things that keeps getting married to and decoupled from other related factions than an actual faction. Like the Assassins.

I love the way you ask me to stop being snarky because you got your facts wrong and then make a snarky point about exaggeration not being a thing where I'm from. No, there are stupid people everywhere. As for your ways of trying to make a point, it depends on whether you're just talking gak to people or if you're trying to make an argument that you want taken seriously. If you want to be taken seriously and not picked apart, then it helps to be accurate or at least reasonable rather than exaggerate wildly for effect... because the actual effect it has is to make your arguments weaker by association. It's one thing to say "older" and very much another to say "30 years old". Then again, Trump got voted in so clearly ridiculous exaggeration works much more effectively for some audiences.

But OK, we'll stop being snarky. Let's deal in cold, hard facts:
Aside from the fact that they're in the fluff as AdMech machines (see above poster) the fact is that we're simply not going to get a new vehicle kit with this codex release. Maybe later, but not now. Based on that, I'd like to have some (or at least one) transports/vehicles available to the AdMech.

Given these facts, and the precedent that GW seems to be ok with making a single, small-sized sprue for new factions to slot new models into them or even for added bling as with some of the SM sprues. Then the best we can expect is the codex-addition of 1-2 existing vehicle kits, one being a Rhino or Chimera, and the little sprue to make it so. Maybe some parts on it to make a HQ from existing Skirarii kits.