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I'd rather some sort of quad-turbined beetle looking thing, but that is off the topic of news.

Oddly, the WD has the LE version of the codex up for preorder the 9th coming out the 16th, with the normal and cards going preorder the 16th and coming out the 23rd. Death Guard both the normal and LE version of the book are synced.

Also cards are 36 TacOs, 31 Strategems with the 3 base, 7 Forge World Specific, one for Knights, and 20 others (one lets you change canticle for 2 points, either one you haven't chosen yet or randomly) and I assume that some of the usuals will show up like the 1 or 3 points for more relics one

shade1313 wrote:
I'm already committed to Ryza, so I hope they get something decent.

stygies and purely because of this:




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So preorders go up on the 9th is there any hope for new units? Cause it's getting last minute for spoilers.

Dear gw please see. Below....below is one if a half dozen non superheavy options for the mechanicum you have production lines and rules for...... is it that you just don't want the money? Do you want blood sacrifice? Is that it? Why not copy and past and print more money? Is forge world not a part of gw? Is just a really high end third party?


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Mechanicum-Myrmidon-Destructors

gendoikari87 wrote:
Dear gw please see. Below....below is one if a half dozen non superheavy options for the mechanicum you have production lines and rules for...... is it that you just don't want the money? Do you want blood sacrifice? Is that it? Why not copy and past and print more money? Is forge world not a part of gw? Is just a really high end third party?


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Mechanicum-Myrmidon-Destructors

Put it on their facebook page cos you are not wrong

Too late to make a difference now....

The issue is Logistics. They can't Stock FW Products in Retail Stores and FW can't handle the Sheer amount of Sales a regular Codex entry creates. Thats Why we will never see FW products in a GW codex.

Also worth mentioning, Fires of whatever is mostly done apparently. The issue is they want to give it a final pass after the codices for all relevant armies are set in stone. Apparently some of the weirdness in the indices was due to communication issues between the GW rules teams and the FW rules teams, and the same sort of thing would be likely to occur if they tried to coordinate directly. I gather it's a mix of bureaucracy making them go through weird channels and normal issues that crop up when two (or more) independent teams try to coordinate.

So instead the rules are 95% done and they are literally waiting for published codices (or at least codices that have gone into production) before they do the final pass.

Ragnar69 wrote:
The issue is Logistics. They can't Stock FW Products in Retail Stores and FW can't handle the Sheer amount of Sales a regular Codex entry creates. Thats Why we will never see FW products in a GW codex.

Plus if they were stock items, they'd have to offer them to re-sellers - at a discount.

Ragnar69 wrote:
The issue is Logistics. They can't Stock FW Products in Retail Stores and FW can't handle the Sheer amount of Sales a regular Codex entry creates. Thats Why we will never see FW products in a GW codex.

i mean as far as problems go that's a good one to have... and the designs are cad files copy paste make plastic spruce print money

The White Dwarf article said that the Codex would be available for preorder on Sep 9th and release Sep 16th but we haven't seen a word about it since then. Safe to assume it won't be happening during that time frame?

Qlanth wrote:
The White Dwarf article said that the Codex would be available for preorder on Sep 9th and release Sep 16th but we haven't seen a word about it since then. Safe to assume it won't be happening during that time frame?

There was a misprint saying the Collectors Edition was up for pre-order on the 9th. Both the Collectors and normal ones are pre-order on the 16th.

I'm not too well versed with existing AM vehicles, but personally, I'd like to see a repulsor covered version of the Landing Craft Assault - something that can hold 10-12 troops and/or a few robots, maybe some dragoons (a paddleboat-like design maybe ). *Sort* of like the vehicle we see First Order stormtroopers dropped off in in Force Awakens.



Also, I think for flyers an Ornithopter sort of helicopter vehicle would be good. Perhaps based off the model from the Rogue Trader rulebook.

gendoikari87 wrote:

shade1313 wrote:
I'm already committed to Ryza, so I hope they get something decent.

stygies and purely because of this:




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So preorders go up on the 9th is there any hope for new units? Cause it's getting last minute for spoilers.

That's my favorite of the LR Vanquishers.

But, really, what sold me on Ryza was I liked the look of the orange. It's kind of unusual for the primary color of an army, and I thought it looked good. It was going to be either that, or Metalica.

I think it's a safe bet that we admech get no new models this book, just Cawl in his own box.

I am extremely interested to see what the Forge World different doctrines are.

I am a bit worried that we get hit with nerfs to outweigh any buffs we get, but fingers crossed.

 ph34r wrote:
I think it's a safe bet that we admech get no new models this book, just Cawl in his own box.

I am extremely interested to see what the Forge World different doctrines are.

I am a bit worried that we get hit with nerfs to outweigh any buffs we get, but fingers crossed.

Whatever it is, my Skitarii want their scout move back.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I think it's a safe bet that we admech get no new models this book, just Cawl in his own box.

I am extremely interested to see what the Forge World different doctrines are.

I am a bit worried that we get hit with nerfs to outweigh any buffs we get, but fingers crossed.

Whatever it is, my Skitarii want their scout move back.

Yeah, right now I feel really not-awesome about taking any amount of Vanguard/Rangers and any Dominus in my lists. They seem totally worthless compared to other factions' equivalents and I hope they get some serious buffs.

Catching up on this thread and

gendoikari87 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Going to confirm that that kastellan list is a terrible list

*eyeroll* internet know it alls

Oh my god, you are the biggest servitor on this board. I've played against an army like that. My heldrake charged the enemy datasmith turn 1 and consolidated into 8 kastelans. They didn't get to shoot once in the entire game and I lost a single model(1 plaguebearer) in the entire match.
"But but but, he should have placed them better". He literally couldn't. My heldrake could reach any part of his deployment.
You CANNOT survive without screens. Every good list takes about 100 conscripts/brimstones/whatever(like 6 culexus for example). If you don't have that - you're f'd.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Catching up on this thread and

gendoikari87 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Going to confirm that that kastellan list is a terrible list

*eyeroll* internet know it alls

Oh my god, you are the biggest servitor on this board. I've played against an army like that. My heldrake charged the enemy datasmith turn 1 and consolidated into 8 kastelans. They didn't get to shoot once in the entire game and I lost a single model(1 plaguebearer) in the entire match.
"But but but, he should have placed them better". He literally couldn't. My heldrake could reach any part of his deployment.
You CANNOT survive without screens. Every good list takes about 100 conscripts/brimstones/whatever(like 6 culexus for example). If you don't have that - you're f'd.

in order for this to be even close to a viable tactic sevral conditions have to be met.

1. Those kastelans can't have the first kastelan fist in there at all because one first will do more damage to the heldrake than he does to the kastelans
2. you HAVE to retreat before they hit back, which you cant and then you get pommeled
3. the Dominus is no where in sight (in addition to the power axe, you do average of d3 wounds a turn, and dominus heals d3)

you got lucky. Math says a unit of 8 kastelans on the aegis win against a heldrake in CC. So yeah if you get luck you can win every time with any army. you people keep crying "that won't work that won't work" without the mathhammer to back up your statements. Yes any list can do well once, but unless you have a friend who does this on the regular or you have math behind it. Get lost, your opinion is worthless to me.

let me repeat that YOUR OPINION IS WORTHLESS TO ME WITHOUT DATA and that's data, not a datum, DATA plural

And the AdMech are nothing without their data.

It was 8 phosphor kastelans. They will surely kill the heldrake with their 0 AP in melee. And the heldrake isn't supposed to kill them, you knucklehead. It is supposed to prevent them from shooting, while the rest of my army kills everything.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
It was 8 phosphor kastelans. They will surely kill the heldrake with their 0 AP in melee. And the heldrake isn't supposed to kill them, you knucklehead. It is supposed to prevent them from shooting, while the rest of my army kills everything.

1. again. one game does not a data set make, produce consistent results or math or your argument is useless as is your opinion.
2. AP isn't everything. each kastelan has 3 attacks wounding on 5s and a 2+ armor save
3. EIther you are lying your ass off or your opponent didn't know what the feth they were doing because the max size on the kastelan unit is 6
4. i'm putting you on ignore because you obviously have nothing of value to add to conversation given points 1-3. good bye troll.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Catching up on this thread and

gendoikari87 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Going to confirm that that kastellan list is a terrible list

*eyeroll* internet know it alls

Oh my god, you are the biggest servitor on this board. I've played against an army like that. My heldrake charged the enemy datasmith turn 1 and consolidated into 8 kastelans. They didn't get to shoot once in the entire game and I lost a single model(1 plaguebearer) in the entire match.
"But but but, he should have placed them better". He literally couldn't. My heldrake could reach any part of his deployment.
You CANNOT survive without screens. Every good list takes about 100 conscripts/brimstones/whatever(like 6 culexus for example). If you don't have that - you're f'd.

How did you charge a datasmith on T1? What sort of awful player puts that key model anywhere that it could be a target. Also, they start the game in Aegis mode, so they could have just walked away from you.

Also, AdMech do screen. With Dragoons. Those things make a decent keep-away bubble with a large base and a -1 to-hit to shooting on a 6W T6 model that is almost always in cover.

40'' threat range. Good luck when I set up the drake last. That's enough to cover most of the table from the center. And I was playing against a player who didn't screen, obviously... That was the entire point of the post...
And yes, they walk away and then can't shoot. That is 880 pts that isn't shooting every turn. Meanwhile, Magnus is killing 2 units a turn not to speak about the rest of the army. He killed 2 onagers and something else turn 1. That was fun.

Time to get this thread BACK ON TOPIC (RULE 2) and POLITE (RULE 1).

ASAP.

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm not too well versed with existing AM vehicles, but personally, I'd like to see a repulsor covered version of the Landing Craft Assault - something that can hold 10-12 troops and/or a few robots, maybe some dragoons (a paddleboat-like design maybe ). *Sort* of like the vehicle we see First Order stormtroopers dropped off in in Force Awakens.



Also, I think for flyers an Ornithopter sort of helicopter vehicle would be good. Perhaps based off the model from the Rogue Trader rulebook.

I'm making just that from the Space Wolf flyers, pretty much just leaving the top off.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
40'' threat range. Good luck when I set up the drake last. That's enough to cover most of the table from the center. And I was playing against a player who didn't screen, obviously... That was the entire point of the post...
And yes, they walk away and then can't shoot. That is 880 pts that isn't shooting every turn. Meanwhile, Magnus is killing 2 units a turn not to speak about the rest of the army. He killed 2 onagers and something else turn 1. That was fun.

You can't have eight robots in a unit. Max is six. So there is red flag one you were not playing an experienced AdMech player. Also, 40" threat range doesn't mean much if he doesn't leave any room for you to park your flying base - though screening units are pretty vital there. Magnus will drop to Robot shooting, but they got to get it... which again, that AdMech player should head over to the Tactica thread! That Magnus reached his Onagers is a tragedy.

I actual the onagers as screening units, for some damn reason every one around here is terrified of the spiderbot like it's some nigh unkillable monstrosity. I take advantage of this


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As for getting back to topic, again, is there any hope for new units with it being this close. Cause it looks like we're getting forge world tactics a relic or two some stratagems and......... nothing I got nothing

gendoikari87 wrote:
I actual the onagers as screening units, for some damn reason every one around here is terrified of the spiderbot like it's some nigh unkillable monstrosity. I take advantage of this


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As for getting back to topic, again, is there any hope for new units with it being this close. Cause it looks like we're getting forge world tactics a relic or two some stratagems and......... nothing I got nothing

Nope. Repacked Cawl is all we get. I just hope the rules are gussied up enough to make the faction viable beyond just Robot spam. I want a reason to play my Kataphrons! I want a reason to run Ruststalkers over Infiltrators! Make my Taser Lances not suck! The whole faction needs its flavor back if we aren't getting any new models.

The bright side to that though is with AdMech out. IG due out in the near future. All we would need is Tau to release and we should expect Fires of Cyraxus right after. Being able to put down Thanatars, Triaros, and other stuff will greatly expand our arsenal.

I hope at the very least they give back Scout moves to Skitarii units.

Qlanth wrote:
I hope at the very least they give back Scout moves to Skitarii units.

They need to be cheaper and have better guns and some Fearless equivalent. Scout won't make them suck any less than they do now, given those issues.