Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

gendoikari87 wrote:
In other words we get the shaft and death guard get two books (because death guard are already in the chaos marines book too)

For now, yes. Though whatever release we get later if they expand our range will get fanfare aplenty. We just aren't in the starter box, so we aren't getting much attention. Same thing happened to GK, so its not just AdMech.

gendoikari87 wrote:
In other words we get the shaft and death guard get two books (because death guard are already in the chaos marines book too)

They are not in the CSM book, what shared units there are will be in the DG codex and we can't use one another's relics/stratagems.

Also, they will do you next week. Because you aren't coming out for preorder this week. Because WD had a typo in it.

gendoikari87 wrote:
So death guard are getting their stratagems leaked .... why no mechanicus leaks? Something is off gw is unusually tight lipped about codex: adeptus mechanicus

Wtf mate?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I mean the grand total of what we know is this: release date, cawl gets his box, it will include knights, seven forge worlds............ then zip nada zilch

We'll get articles for the Adeptus Mechanicus on Warhammer Community the week before preorder (i.e., next week).

I mean even grey knights got baby carrier hq

Oh and chaplains and librarian

gendoikari87 wrote:
I mean even grey knights got baby carrier hq

Oh and chaplains and librarian

That is not a new model. That is just a rule. We will get rules aplenty, don't worry. Just no new models.

I mean like others said a skitarii alpha would be cool that's just a skitarii model or a dragons commander. A tech priest hq, infiltrator troops. A unit of fething tech priests.... forge world units like gw doesn't need to actually make new models for us just give us what forge world already did

There will likely be a preview article for Ad Mech on Sunday

gendoikari87 wrote:
I mean like others said a skitarii alpha would be cool that's just a skitarii model or a dragons commander. A tech priest hq, infiltrator troops. A unit of fething tech priests.... forge world units like gw doesn't need to actually make new models for us just give us what forge world already did

I think we will have to wait for after the Tau codex to come out for the imperial armour with the Admech stuff in it

Here's a wild guess: AdMech and DeathGuard codexes will be very similar:
Both will have Resilient again. Both will get more FNP. Both can explodes vehicles. They just seem like very similar armies in fluff:
Slow
Durable(DG more so than AdMech)
Unstoppable in their advance

So are the Knights in thr book going to be Questor Imperialis or just Adeptus Mechanicus?

No GW codex will ever include anything from the Forgeworld range. I believe they have said this many times.

With that said, the FW Knights might be playable with the AM codex, we will have to wait and see. They FAQd the Chaos stuff when their codex came out, so it will probably happen again.

Well, Questor Imperialis is the Imperial Knights faction in 40k now.

Though, reading the objective cards, apparently there will be a sub faction special rule for Knights as well as for Forge Worlds, so hopefully! It would be nice if Knights got updated with this, since they don't really need their own book with only two kits.

 Crazyterran wrote:
So are the Knights in thr book going to be Questor Imperialis or just Adeptus Mechanicus?

According to the preview it'll be Questor Mechanicus.

Presumably, that's just the normal GW Knight Kit with a red paint job and lots of AdMech decals on it and, again presumably, it leaves the option of having Questor Imperialis beyond AdMech, i.e. the Noble Houses, Freeblades, etc.. be in some Agents of the the Imperium Codex and/or a separate booklet like Talons of the Emperor (or just long-term Index curiosities).

Of course, if AdMech Knights get full benefit of character re-rolls, armywide special rules, etc..., it is likely a good upgrade to Knights and might tempt many owners of non-AdMech-painted Knight armies to use the book anyways.

Renegade Knights are obviously also now rebranded as Questor Traitoris. So the Questor label isn't really a faction thing but designator or IP-marketing-key-word for Knights in whatever faction they might pop up.

Mechanicum character Knights with rerolls, improved shield ++ bubbles, special heirlooms, special stratagems and the ability to add FW Knights

Though, the fact that Knights will be their own faction hopefully means (balance wise) that things like Cawl wont be able to provide rerolls, since they wont be linked to Forge Worlds.

Ill take the rest, though! :p

 Crazyterran wrote:
Though, the fact that Knights will be their own faction hopefully means (balance wise) that things like Cawl wont be able to provide rerolls, since they wont be linked to Forge Worlds.

Ill take the rest, though! :p

Pffffff. "Balance" wise? Giving Knights a measly re-roll and some repair isn't the end of the world, with how overall meh AdMech are.

Am I seriously the only one who noticed the plastic foot-slogging servitors?

mighty_wizard wrote:
Am I seriously the only one who noticed the plastic foot-slogging servitors?

got a pic? a source? ect?

gendoikari87 wrote:

mighty_wizard wrote:
Am I seriously the only one who noticed the plastic foot-slogging servitors?

got a pic? a source? ect?

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DeathGuardArmyShot_Content.jpg

Pic from warhammer community, lower left

mighty_wizard wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

mighty_wizard wrote:
Am I seriously the only one who noticed the plastic foot-slogging servitors?

got a pic? a source? ect?

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DeathGuardArmyShot_Content.jpg

Pic from warhammer community, lower left

They're Tempestus Scions... unless I'm missing the joke?

TonyL707 wrote:

mighty_wizard wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

mighty_wizard wrote:
Am I seriously the only one who noticed the plastic foot-slogging servitors?

got a pic? a source? ect?

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DeathGuardArmyShot_Content.jpg

Pic from warhammer community, lower left

They're Tempestus Scions... unless I'm missing the joke?

No, they just look similar. They have mechanicum backpacks. Also the article specifically states that the pic shows new mechanicum units, if you're not too distracted by Mortarion to spot them.

EDIT: Actually nevermind, wishful thinking. Why would they paint them up like that. Gah.

mighty_wizard wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

mighty_wizard wrote:
Am I seriously the only one who noticed the plastic foot-slogging servitors?

got a pic? a source? ect?

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DeathGuardArmyShot_Content.jpg

Pic from warhammer community, lower left

Sorry to disappoint, those are scions... :/

 Tyr13 wrote:

mighty_wizard wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

mighty_wizard wrote:
Am I seriously the only one who noticed the plastic foot-slogging servitors?

got a pic? a source? ect?

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DeathGuardArmyShot_Content.jpg

Pic from warhammer community, lower left

Sorry to disappoint, those are scions... :/

Yes I saw... Wishful thinking and the paint scheme had me jump to conclusions.

Seriously though, plastic servitors are long overdue

 alleus wrote:
No GW codex will ever include anything from the Forgeworld range. I believe they have said this many times.

With that said, the FW Knights might be playable with the AM codex, we will have to wait and see. They FAQd the Chaos stuff when their codex came out, so it will probably happen again.

I really hope so, I only finished a Styrix recently and hope that it will benefit from whatever rules the new book has, I built it as a Ad Mech aligned knight for my Ad Mech force. I would even be happy if all they got was the canticles as I would me moving my knight away from Cawl etc anyway so I wouldn't be getting those re-rolls for long. My other big hope is that they let us upgrade a TPD to a Arch Magos or a cheaper way of getting the Cawl re-rolls I would happly lose access to the modifying the canticle rule to spend those points else where.

Agamembar wrote:

 alleus wrote:
No GW codex will ever include anything from the Forgeworld range. I believe they have said this many times.

With that said, the FW Knights might be playable with the AM codex, we will have to wait and see. They FAQd the Chaos stuff when their codex came out, so it will probably happen again.

I really hope so, I only finished a Styrix recently and hope that it will benefit from whatever rules the new book has, I built it as a Ad Mech aligned knight for my Ad Mech force. I would even be happy if all they got was the canticles as I would me moving my knight away from Cawl etc anyway so I wouldn't be getting those re-rolls for long. My other big hope is that they let us upgrade a TPD to a Arch Magos or a cheaper way of getting the Cawl re-rolls I would happly lose access to the modifying the canticle rule to spend those points else where.

i'm hoping for a CHEAPER HQ. let re-rolls come from forge world rules.

speaking of what are we thinking for forge world rules?

one that gives +1 to armor saves, maybe +1 to hit, +1 to weapon str, +1 wound....?

personally i like the +1 wound idea. at least for multi wound models. mech shoudl have a feel of the regenerating army.

also a tech priest upgrade as a captain for the skitarii would be cool.

+1 to hit would be cool would give admech a 2+ BS troop which would be a unique army, and hey if anyones going to get a 2+ BS troop it's going to be the machine guys with bionic eyes and ballistic cogitators in their skulls.

gendoikari87 wrote:

i'm hoping for a CHEAPER HQ. let re-rolls come from forge world rules.

speaking of what are we thinking for forge world rules?

one that gives +1 to armor saves, maybe +1 to hit, +1 to weapon str, +1 wound....?

personally i like the +1 wound idea. at least for multi wound models. mech shoudl have a feel of the regenerating army.

also a tech priest upgrade as a captain for the skitarii would be cool.

+1 to hit would be cool would give admech a 2+ BS troop which would be a unique army, and hey if anyones going to get a 2+ BS troop it's going to be the machine guys with bionic eyes and ballistic cogitators in their skulls.

A cheaper HQ is sorely needed and even just promoting a Skitarii Alpha to a HQ would allow us to run Skitarii only Maniples/detahments again

They could go really fluffy with the forge world rules and have say Ryza has a bonus regarding Plasma weapons, Stygies VIII (my own choice) gets a bonus related to weapon damage or something against Xenos forces and so on but hopefully not making any a go to pick like Mars currently is thanks to Cawl and his Mars specific bonuses

I don't think they will go that specific with bonuses. The most narrow bonus we've seen is something only benefitting melee or ranged units, not only benefitting ranged units with a specific weapon type. I guess BL is close to that, but it's still got the LD bonus and benefits all RF weapons.

I can guess a few CT, but figuring out which goes with which FW is kinda hard, I imagine they will be fleshing them out more in this codex.

Someone will likely get a CT similar to the salamanders, alpha legion/raven guard might happen, iron hands would make sense for a heavier than average augmented world, and maybe one relating to invulnerable saves as those are present across most of the army.

Lucius had teleportation technology mentioned, so maybe a stratagem or CT that allows deepstriking units which normally couldn't.

Graia had some stuff about being really stubborn, so maybe a morale boost of some sort.

Honestly though, I think we need more info.

I expect Metalica will get a Fulgurite Priest related one - akin to that useless Canticle. Making my whole army forced to continue using Mars if I want it to not suck.

Hopefully, they give major depth to each Forge World akin to how 1K Sons and Death Guard were in the Index. Change what they can run, special rules, etc. I doubt they will, but I would love that. The faction needs way more flavor, given its size and how bad it was gutted in the transition.

Also guys, let's be real for a second. If you want to be competitive you will still take a heavy support detachment with Cawl and some onagers or maybe kastellans depending if CT effect them/what mars has. Because, unless it is changed, all Cawl needs to do is be on the field to allow the canticle adjustment. He doesn't need to be warlord, your entire army doesn't need to be mars, etc. Combine that with improved aura and he will remain a must take, unless we get a SM style option to upgrade a random magos to archmagos.

I know so many people have been saying they can't wait to it use him or have mars in their army, but chances are if you feel he is required now you will still feel he is required post codex. Just saying.

i never use cawl, for the cost of going from TPD to cawl, you can get an onager. that's just insane, cawl is there for fluff reasons only IMO or if you are using a really large army