Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus (8th Edition) - Codex Upon Us

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**gendoikari87**

personally graia shouldn't get titans, if you need the smurfs to come save your warlords, you suuuuuuuuuck

**Generalstoner**

Graia is home to Legio Astramen so hopefully they would be able to hold. But I fought Graia was listed as consumed by the tyranids? Unless it was able to initiate a warp jump as it has been able to do in the past.

**rvd1ofakind**

I've heard some bad rumors along the lines of Kataphrons not getting a pts drop. If they have not been changed(or directly affected by stratagems or whatever), GW is confirmed as completelly inept

**ph34r**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
I've heard some bad rumors along the lines of Kataphrons not getting a pts drop. If they have not been changed(or directly affected by stratagems or whatever), GW is confirmed as completelly inept

Yeah, hopefully their idea of fixing kataphrons is not some vaguely bad stratagem that is not worth taking the unit.

**rvd1ofakind**

22 units in the Codex:
17 Ad Mech + 5 knights(I assume). So hooray, no new units
Although the wording is "22 datasheets with rules and point values for each Adeptus Mechanicus miniature". So there is a chance, albeit a very very VERY small one, that we'll get 5 new units.
But it also say " Combining the previous codexes Adeptus Mechanicus, Skitarii and Imperial Knighs in one book!" So, again, I really doubt we'll get new units

**ph34r**

Huh. So, no Skitarii alpha HQ rules, confirmed.

**Arachnofiend**

Our best hope is that either the Enginseer or the Datasmith has been moved to the HQ slot. If I were to pick one I'd say the Enginseer but I'm not getting my hopes up.

**gendoikari87**

Arachnofiend wrote:
Our best hope is that either the Enginseer or the Datasmith has been moved to the HQ slot. If I were to pick one I'd say the Enginseer but I'm not getting my hopes up.

OMG how cool would it be to have the datasmith as an HQ. we'd need more robots to make an all legio cybernetica army but that'd be cool.

**Ankhalagon**

Generalstoner wrote:
Graia is home to Legio Astramen so hopefully they would be able to hold. But I fought Graia was listed as consumed by the tyranids? Unless it was able to initiate a warp jump as it has been able to do in the past.

Graia? No. Gryphone was eaten. Graia is just a dead rock with a vast orbital wraped arount like a spiderweb.

**gendoikari87**

all i know from graia is that it was in space marine

**H.B.M.C.**

I wonder if they'll give the Torsion Cannon any rules beyond just a profile?

**gendoikari87**

It's too bad blandguard have a max size of 10 otherwise the wrath of mars strategem would be neat on them

**changemod**

gendoikari87 wrote:
It's too bad blandguard have a max size of 10 otherwise the wrath of mars strategem would be neat on them

Could be absolutely amazing on secutarii if they still work roughly the same.

**gendoikari87**

I don't see them changing skitarii at all. There are no secutarii in 40k

**Agamembar**

gendoikari87 wrote:
I don't see them changing skitarii at all. There are no secutarii in 40k

The Peltasts and Hoplites did have experimental rules for 7th though we are now stuck waiting for Fire of Cyraxis for the 8th rules its seems.

**gendoikari87**

Yup. But how legal that'll be in tournaments might.be up to you local scene

**Ghaz**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/12/forge-world-focus-graia-sep-12gw-homepage-post-4/

**Verviedi**

Forge World Focus: Graia
One of the most exciting features of the new Adeptus Mechanicus codex is rules for seven different forge worlds, allowing you to customise your collection more than ever before with powerful and thematic new abilities. This week, we’ll be previewing what the forge world rules mean for your army in our daily previews of Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus in advance of the pre-order this Saturday:

Graia is the most tenacious of the forge worlds, and every Tech-Priest and soldier of the planet is hard-wired to think only in terms of ruthless, uncompromising logic. Even Psykers find that their magics cannot find purchase on the sheer wall of absolute rationality projected by the Graian forces.

On the tabletop, Graian armis have a handy dogma that helps increase the durability of massed units considerably – Refusal To Yield:

This dogma is great on single wound models, essentially providing them with an additional layer of saving throws, while for high-points cost models, the potential to ignore a potentially fatal wound and keep fighting is very handy indeed. Nearly every unit in the Adeptus Mechanicus codex also possesses a 6+ invulnerable save, meaning that you could be ignoring a third of wounds.

Best Units

Fulgurite Electro-Priests are already a superb unit, capable of dealing huge damage in assault and growing in power thanks to Siphoned Vigour bringing them up to a 3+ Invulnerable Save. With the Graia dogma, a group of Fulgurite Electro-Priests get this save, followed by a second pseudo-saving throw from Fanatical Devotion, followed by their final Refusal To Yield roll. In practice, this means you’ll be saving 83% of wounds from normal sources and 50% of mortal wounds.

Zealous Congregation, a new Adeptus Mechanicus Stratagem, even allows you to fight again, making these worshippers of the Motive Force an even more efficient option.

Skitarii Vanguard also work superbly in Graia army; as we’ve stated above, they’ll be ignoring at least a third of any incoming wounds, while Graia’s unique Warlord Trait means you’ll be able to use these guys as a fairly potent assault unit.

Usually, Vanguard must choose between firing with their weapons or weakening enemies with rad-saturation, but with Emotionless Clarity allowing them to shoot into combat, you won’t have to!

Graia is the army for you if you treasure durability above all else and want some handy insurance against mortal wounds (with the Death Guard around, you’ll need it!). Come back tomorrow, when we’ll be looking at Metalica, most relentless of the forge worlds.

**Qlanth**

Damn, shooting into combat seems really good

**Dionysodorus**

Huh, so it's a 6+ FNP that does almost nothing for big models.

Also, they're really proud of those electro-priests.

**Kanluwen**

Dionysodorus wrote:
Huh, so it's a 6+ FNP that does almost nothing for big models.

Other than, y'know, letting them ignore the Wound that potentially slays them?

Also, they're really proud of those electro-priests.

Yes...proud.

Has nothing to do with the kit having likely been one that didn't sell well thanks to the price/model comparison.

**Dionysodorus**

Kanluwen wrote:
Dionysodorus wrote:
Huh, so it's a 6+ FNP that does almost nothing for big models.

Other than, y'know, letting them ignore the Wound that potentially slays them?

Yes, it's a 6+ FNP that big models can only take on their final wound. This is obviously far less useful than a regular 6+ FNP that they'd get to take against every single wound.

**Agamembar**

It also seems to work to prevent battle-shock loses meaning you could field full Vanguard squads since there is a chance that ones that would have run away will now stick around if you get a 6

**gendoikari87**

So heres my reaction to the graia news: meh meh boring, holy feth shooting into melee!!! .... oh it's models not unitsdamn

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Also notice the whole army loses fnp if the tpd dies ... unless you have a datasmith still up

**Verviedi**

Nope. They just can't fall back out of combat if there isn't a character on the field. FNP is always in effect.

**em_en_oh_pee**

Dionysodorus wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Dionysodorus wrote:
Huh, so it's a 6+ FNP that does almost nothing for big models.

Other than, y'know, letting them ignore the Wound that potentially slays them?

Yes, it's a 6+ FNP that big models can only take on their final wound. This is obviously far less useful than a regular 6+ FNP that they'd get to take against every single wound.

Still nice to have even a chance to save that final wound, but yea, much less beneficial on big stuff. Really seems to favor infantry strategies which, for AdMech, are pretty awful.

The strategem may be useful, for those of us using Fulgurites as a counter-assault unit. That should help get them the needed chance to wipe out a unit and get their buffed save.

**shade1313**

Want Ryza, gimme Ryza

And 1/6 plus 1/6 does not add up to a 1/3 chance, GW.

**Agamembar**

gendoikari87 wrote:
So heres my reaction to the graia news: meh meh boring, holy feth shooting into melee!!! .... oh it's models not unitsdamn

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Also notice the whole army loses fnp if the tpd dies ... unless you have a datasmith still up

Where does it say that? the part about tpd or character on the battlefield only apply's to the falling back part of the Dogma, EDIT ah someone answered that already

**rvd1ofakind**

You can use multiple Forge Worlds, so you can just do some
Vanguard detachment Graia - and send dominus with a squad forward
Spearhead detachment Mars - and have cawl blasting from the backfield.
Just a thought, not sure if this is any good

**Galas**

So a 6+ FNP that only works with the last wound? Ok, that confirms that Forgeworld's Dogmas are gonna be weaker than chapter/legion tactics because they apply to everything in the army, including vehicles, knights, etc...