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Space Marines of all types. Couldn't be more boring if they tried.

I don't hate any faction, but I dislike Space Wolves wolfness/hypocrisy and Tyranids (a good bug is a dead bug! I doin't like any kind of man-eating xenomorph, mostly).

Chaos.
Specifically the Chaos Marines.
More specifically, DeathGuard.

Why so much SW hate? I mean some of the wolfiness is probably a bit OTT but they're just basically Space Vikings and Vikings are fething badass. At least they're more interesting than any of the Adeptus Blandtartes.

My answer would be Eldar. I just hate the scrawny space-elves and their psychic shenanigans. Can't seem to crack them whatever the edition number might be.

I dislike Chaos and daemons. Traitor legions would be a lot cooler if they had nothing to do with dark choas gods but just rouge space marines that believe the imperium is the enemy of man kind or something - and so they fight against it. Daemonic spirits corrupting their souls takes away all the coolness for me. Their look I find pretty stupid also.

Space wolves OFC - They seem to draw some really enthusiastic players who like them a lot. I'm happy they like their stuff I just think it's incredibly dumb.

I dislike harlequins too. Space clowns? yeah - this is dumb.

Tau. Most armies have at least something I like - whether it's fluff, models or mechanics. Tau have nothing. I despise their models and general aesthetics, heir fluff doesn't interest me in the slightest, and their mechanics bore me to death.

Runners up:

Chaos Daemons - I don't really like their aesthetics and (as someone else pointed out) they feel like they belong in a fantasy setting, rather than a sci-fi one. I mean, they can clearly merge/interface with machines (hence daemon engines), so why not have them be more bio-mechanical - with guns fused to them and such? (Think the Cyber-Demon from Doom.)

Orks - They're a lot of fun to play against, but they've never really interested me as a faction I'd want to play myself.

Grey Knights - Hierarchy of incorruptibleness, need say more?

Space Wolves - See, I think I could actually get into these guys, at least from a mechanical perspective. I think they have some fun gear and themes, the issue is that they got taken too far. Wolfram Wolfy mcWolfenson III, with his Wolf-sword, Wolfheart-armour, Wolf-pelt, Wolf-tooth-necklace, Wolf-shield and wolf-head-Bolter that shoots Wolf Claws. And when it's not that it's Jack Frost Frosterling IV, with his Hellfrost-pistol, Black Ice Armour and Sword of All-Cold-Like. I think if that nonsense was toned down they'd be a decent race.

Also, it bugs me that when they finally added werewolves they went with the wolfman look - i.e. big, hairy men. But this is Space Wolves - they're all big, hairy men. Could they really not have done some more wolf-like werewolves?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Dark Eldar.

My own faction's flavour has been gutted, stuffed with blandness and repackaged. Almost nothing about my army excites me anymore. We've lost our interesting special characters and somehow they've managed to do ALL of the special characters that remain wrong (Lelith does Drugs, Drazhar who's entire intrigue is ''Is he a Phoenix Lord or isn't he'' no longer has a stat-line mirroring the Phoenix Lords, Urien gives no unique benefits to Grotesques).

So many things are done wrong in the book. Wych weapons are boring, bloodbrides have the same wych weapon allowance as Wyches. Our ''lightning fast'' army has the slowest vehicles of all Eldar factions. Suffice to say, this edition has less identity than the last book, which had MILES less identity than the previous book. I hate what they've done to my army, despite it being marginally more competitive now than before.

Sadly, I have to agree with this.

 Weazel wrote:
Why so much SW hate? I mean some of the wolfiness is probably a bit OTT but they're just basically Space Vikings and Vikings are fething badass. At least they're more interesting than any of the Adeptus Blandtartes.

My answer would be Eldar. I just hate the scrawny space-elves and their psychic shenanigans. Can't seem to crack them whatever the edition number might be.

Over the top wolfiness is more than enough reason to despise a space marine chapter. If you think regular space marines are boring...I just don't understand that. They are futuristic super soldiers wearing huge powered suits - that doesn't do it for you? If they take off their helmets and have huge beards and prefer to use viking type weapons it's cool though? To each his own i guess.

SW and GK for me.

Space wolves.
And Space Marine Rainbow Force in general, they have all those extra-stupid units and models to show how their elite is moar elite than the normal elites of normal space marines.
Also Space Marines in general, because they are cannibalizing 40k and that is terrible.

nateprati wrote:
Tau- me and idealized communism are not that cool right now.i do like them but i hate them.....

Tau society is nothing like communism, they have a rigid cast system. Tau are just following the general utopic/dystopic/political SF tropes.


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 Weazel wrote:
Why so much SW hate? I mean some of the wolfiness is probably a bit OTT but they're just basically Space Vikings and Vikings are fething badass.

For many, they feel much more like furries marine with a serious wolf fetish than viking marines in their current incarnation. Also how does them being goody two shoes goes with the viking theme?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
Why so much SW hate? I mean some of the wolfiness is probably a bit OTT but they're just basically Space Vikings and Vikings are fething badass. At least they're more interesting than any of the Adeptus Blandtartes.

My answer would be Eldar. I just hate the scrawny space-elves and their psychic shenanigans. Can't seem to crack them whatever the edition number might be.

Over the top wolfiness is more than enough reason to despise a space marine chapter. If you think regular space marines are boring...I just don't understand that. They are futuristic super soldiers wearing huge powered suits - that doesn't do it for you? If they take off their helmets and have huge beards and prefer to use viking type weapons it's cool though? To each his own i guess.

Blandmarines all look the same. I hate painting the same model over and over again. With SW you never have the same equipment/leg/torso combination twice.

I like almost all the armies in 40k, but my least favourites, in ascending order, likely are:

Necrons - Only have disliked some of their rules, but otherwise I've enjoyed them. The rules I dislike are the ones that seem to be designed to be annoying . Mind-shackle Scarabs of 7th edition, Hunters from Hyperspace, the Decurion... They're not overly powerful or anything, and I love We'll Be Back (I will forever call it that), and I really like a lot of their aesthetics that they've built into over the years, but they always seem to come with some kind of rule that seems designed to be annoying as hell.

Daemons - As has been stated, they are way too much of a direct translation from Warhammer Fantasy, and now Age of Sigmar, to really feel like a 40k army. It makes a lot of sense business wise to use this army in this way, and games against them have been enjoyable for me (never faced Flyer spam or Summoning Spam from them myself), but I do wish they had a few more 40k-like options. Soulgrinders being kept to 40k would be nice. Maybe in 8th now, with keywords, we'll see Obliterators in their ranks. Some other gun-beasts would be interesting to see. Fluff-wise I dislike how they tend to dues-ex-machina the story. "Everything was going this way, and then a tear in the warp opened and a million billion daemons came out and changed the result of everything"

Tau - Despite lots of friends who are into it and seemingly all of the internet, I just have no appreciation for manga and japanese style animation. It looks like it was all drawn by the same person. The Tau, stylistically, seem to embody this style, and so it just turns me right off. I really dislike suits. What do I like of the Tau line? The Kroot, the Vespids, the Hammerhead and Devilfish. The Fire Warriors. The Ethereals. Everything really, except the suits. Oh, and I hate the drones too (not having people risking their lives is so not-40k for me. It's a grim darkness, not a "robot fighting league"). Most incarnations of them in the rules have also garnered no love from me. I want to see the Tau move and advance to positions, suffering close combat to save their brothers. Instead, most of the time, I see a static gunline army that shoots their opponent off the map or fails to shoot them off the map, and the only "movement" had been deep-striking suits that came in, exploded something and either died immediately or got to explode something else. Haven't seen them in 8th yet. How good or bad they are is irrelevant to me - I just haven't seen a game played, or played a game myself, against Tau that was enjoyable.

Even though I love the models Grey Knights have to be my most hated faction. Just from a game design standpoint having an army designed to specifically hard counter another faction is horrible. It is not the worst it has ever been, but the GK rules would only be decent if they were like 1 unit in a faction.


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That said Daemons probably should have been kept as a larger chaos force as well instead of being their own army, for the reasons mentioned.

Eh, i love them all. hugs/exterminatus for everyone!

I like just about every faction, really. But I'm not a fan of Daemons.

I really don´t like factions that copy from another.

Most the CSM = copy & paste SM and add spikes.
Chaos Demons as it was said to much fantasy. Better they had dropped both and created a unique "warp race".
Drukhari. Aeldari. Ok their units are quite unique to them.
Genestealer Cult. Mixing tyranid creatures with guards.

Im in the "likes every faction to some degree" crow

Space wolves make me mad only because naming conventions

After some reflection its eldar (my own army). They are aesthetically the exact army i want to play but because to not lose i would have to use units that i dont want to use i lose often and its getting harder and harder to find the motivation to play when i know im just going to lose anyways.

I hate factions for two reasons:

1) if their playerbase is obnoxious

2) if their models are wearing something stupid on their heads. It's very specific, I know, but god damn does dumb headgear get to me.

For category 1 there are two factions that fall in. First and primarily, Space Marines. If they were *just* that obnoxious combination of "the generic faction youve seen a jillion times" and "a bunch of insufferable marty stues whose players tell you how great their dudes are like a person who plays that half-dragon race character in DnD" I could live with it, but it's the air of "oh god we're so OPPRESSED" that they get if their rules are ever sub-par. The worst of the worst is Blood Angels players, because they want the level of support that comes with being the top-selling faction in 40k, but they also want to have their niche little playerbase and unique options and standalone codex that appeals only to people who want to play specifically flamboyant vampire marines.

Space wolves get a special exception here actually because in my experience they are likely to just be bearded biker heavy metal guys that also play orks and chaos, and those guys are always great.

The second faction that's frequently in this category are Tau, and while they're far less frequent than marines they're often more annoying because they complain if in a game your models are ever able to do anything. I've had games where I was pretty much tabled and something killed a Riptide in close combat and I had to deal with 15 minutes of pouting and "But it's a giant rooooobooooot, how did this little guy kill it, that doesn't make any sense!" Any game where you don't pick up at least 75% of your models before they can kill anything, your average Tau player is complaining about it.

For category 2, which is "dumb hat wearing armies", Craftworld Eldar are the prime offender, with a special commendation for Cadian Guard. Eldar hats are just in a giant competition to see who can have the stupider, least practical for battle thing on their head, and there's absolutely no sign of that stopping with the latest Triumvirate release and that head of hair on the Yncarne.

Guard I give a bit more of a pass because there's alternate sculpts, but the cadian helmets I just always look down at them on the table and think "Another one? Who is this guy manning the lascannon!"

"He's an donkey-cave, sir, Phillip donkey-cave!"

"Who hired this man as a heavy weapon gunner?"

"I did, thir, I'm hith couthin!"

My only dislike comes from poor naming conventions and poor over-the-top "crank it to 11!" styling for which you'd fail an art class. I run a Chaos Space Marine list consisting of almost entirely non-Chaos models because the Chaos models are some of the worst in the range (names and models). Space Wolves are hot on their heels. I enjoyed Space Wolves about 20 years ago when they were simply Space Vikings with the occasional wolf pelt and big dyed bears. The sudden arrival of extra-wolfy-icicles on everything pushed the entire chapter into a pale caricature of its previous self. Blood Angels are following suit with the vampire trope a bit too much for my liking, but they haven't gone full Space Wolf. You never go full Space Wolf.

Deathwatch and Grey Knights draw my ire simply because they should not be an actual army in and of themselves - not at the scale in which 40K is played. This was just sales tactics and nothing more - creating a vast number of unnecessary models and kits for an army with a handful of actual unit entries. These forces do not justify a $30-40 book themselves, etc. They really should be simple add-ons to your army, etc.

+1 to Space Marines of all flavors. Grey Knights are fine, but the rest are just generic, boring "I want to play the badass humans, hurr hurr." Both the kits and the fanbase turn me off

I don't really hate any of the different factions. However, I find playing against TAU the least fun.
They have all kinds of rules and things that I will never understand and don't care to read up on. I've collected them 2 or 3 times but sold them. Orks are so much better, way more fun.
Tau are just irritating.

the_scotsman wrote:
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For category 2, which is "dumb hat wearing armies", Craftworld Eldar are the prime offender, with a special commendation for Cadian Guard. Eldar hats are just in a giant competition to see who can have the stupider, least practical for battle thing on their head, and there's absolutely no sign of that stopping with the latest Triumvirate release and that head of hair on the Yncarne.

I can absolutely relate to this.

I've always hated the cone-head aesthetic of Eldar and DE models.

Although, as far as impracticality goes, I think DE actually win this one. Their headgear might not be as overly-elaborate as that of Eldar, but they cover their helmets in spikes and studs. This means that, rather than deflecting blows, they'd actually catch blows and channel the full force of them right into the helmet. I know they're masochists but you can't expect to enjoy the pain if your head gets obliterated in the process.

From a fluff standpoint: Orks.

The entire universe is supposed to be grim-dark, and is largely consistent in that regard. Then you have Orks. They're the comic relief of this universe, when it doesn't need any. It's like when Peter Jackson made the Lord of the Rings movies, and had Gimli be comic relief in the Two Towers, which is largely a very dark story. The fate of humanity sits on the edge of a knife, we could go one way or the other, and then WAAAAGHHH it's NONSENSE FUN TIME! LOOK I'M RIDING A SQUIGGOTH YOU GUYS!

From a gameplay standpoint: Imperial Guard.

In any game, you should feel like your victory or defeat is at least tied to some of the decisions you make. With guard I don't get that. They set up their gunline and don't really move. It's the most boring, uninspired gameplay, and it's made even more annoying by the brutally undercosted units they field. With the keyword system, every imperium army is full of imperial guard. And I mean why not? You can get a full battalion for under 300 points. At what point does it become a 1700 point game, +your mandatory guard regiment?

Primaries Girlymarines.
Hands down worst sub faction conceivable.

Heresy. Beakless. Why?

After that its Ynari ...
Just so cereal box mediocre .
Again, why?

Drop both or either and the universe improves.

People that think Ork's aren't Grimdark is people that don't understand how Orks really work in the setting and just see the meme hyperbole about them.

What do you think happens when a planet fall behind a Ork Waaagh? Do they put the women, civilians, children, etc... into space pods and let them free to a new planet? No. They use them as slaves, as food, or they kill them just for fun.

Orks are just "funny" if you ignore what they are actually doing and remain in the surface as a outside spectator. Put yourself in the skin of a human facing a Ork Waagh invasion to his planet, and then you'll see how they aren't comical in-universe.

Eldar, tau, gk, space puppies, and now ig.

Chaos Marines. They're fine on their own, I guess, just another flavor of Marine that I don't care for. But Magnus started the trend of reintroducing primarchs to 40k when they should have stayed in 30k where they belonged.

 Marmatag wrote:
From a fluff standpoint: Orks.

The entire universe is supposed to be grim-dark, and is largely consistent in that regard. Then you have Orks. They're the comic relief of this universe, when it doesn't need any. It's like when Peter Jackson made the Lord of the Rings movies, and had Gimli be comic relief in the Two Towers, which is largely a very dark story. The fate of humanity sits on the edge of a knife, we could go one way or the other, and then WAAAAGHHH it's NONSENSE FUN TIME! LOOK I'M RIDING A SQUIGGOTH YOU GUYS!

From a gameplay standpoint: Imperial Guard.

In any game, you should feel like your victory or defeat is at least tied to some of the decisions you make. With guard I don't get that. They set up their gunline and don't really move. It's the most boring, uninspired gameplay, and it's made even more annoying by the brutally undercosted units they field. With the keyword system, every imperium army is full of imperial guard. And I mean why not? You can get a full battalion for under 300 points. At what point does it become a 1700 point game, +your mandatory guard regiment?

Orks make a lot more sense once you realize that "Grim Dark" originated as a comedic device when 40k was first conceived. If you watch Robocop, Mad Max, Robot Jox, Total Recall, or read Judge Dredd or Canticles for Liebowitz, the whole "Everything is insanely depressing and nihilistic and over the top inhumane" shtick was basically comedic.

And that's how 40k started. The orks have just...stayed actually consistent to their roots.

The very first Inquisitor introduced in the fluff looked like Indiana Jones in a trenchcoat and was named "Obi-Wan Clouseau" or something like that.

Dark Eldar. They're just @$$holes in space. For some reason people think sadistic pirates are an appealing concept. They only have like one or two decent models.