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Chaos, just all of chaos. But Daemons are the worst.

ERJAK wrote:
Chaos, just all of chaos. But Daemons are the worst.

Chaos in AOS...

Chaos in 40k...

Space Marines, because GW have such a hard on for them that their progress, models and campaigns are always at the expense of non-SM players.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

Model design.
I was never fond of the Tau but that's because they look like they were ripped straight out of Appleseed and Robotech.

Funny how things are... that's precisely one of the biggest reasons I got into Tau

Because they were unlikely to get rolled back into the vanilla Tau codex? Seems reasonable.

Edit - Sorry about that, I didn't actually read what you'd quoted me saying and just continued with the conversation. I'm guessing you see the Tau designs as a nod to shows you liked while I see them as more of a copyright infringement.

https://goo.gl/images/bY1jM3

Optimism.

Sumilidon wrote:
Space Marines, because GW have such a hard on for them that their progress, models and campaigns are always at the expense of non-SM players.

GW only has a hard on for UM and SW. I would argue they are trying to slowly retcon out IH.

I love Space Wolves.

I hate you T'au.

IG is for old men who would rather be playing a WW II miniature game

Klak wrote:
IG is for old men who would rather be playing a WW II miniature game

If you consider 19 as old man age, then your theory stands. If not, that's a shame

It's a shame I couldn't vote for Ultramarines...

So i just did SM

But I would Ultramarines if I could

Ultramarines are the worst.

 General Annoyance wrote:

Klak wrote:
IG is for old men who would rather be playing a WW II miniature game

If you consider 19 as old man age, then your theory stands. If not, that's a shame

If you look at it as a personality type there is a bit of merit to his observation - my family constantly tells me I've been a grumpy old man since I was a toddler - admittedly, I play Space Wolves and Tyrannids - but there are ways of being an old man without living seventy odd years.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
If you look at it as a personality type there is a bit of merit to his observation - my family constantly tells me I've been a grumpy old man since I was a toddler - admittedly, I play Space Wolves and Tyrannids - but there are ways of being an old man without living seventy odd years.

Even if a correlation can be drawn between having a grumpy personality and playing IG, it is simply a correlation at best. There is no evidence that IG is really just for grumpy people, or that playing IG makes you a grumpy person.

Besides, as well as being young, I'm considered to be quite energetic and generally optimistic by friends, family and colleagues. One in a thousand, perhaps, but it's more a point to show how his "observation" holds no real objective credit.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
If you look at it as a personality type there is a bit of merit to his observation - my family constantly tells me I've been a grumpy old man since I was a toddler - admittedly, I play Space Wolves and Tyrannids - but there are ways of being an old man without living seventy odd years.

Even if a correlation can be drawn between having a grumpy personality and playing IG, it is simply a correlation at best. There is no evidence that IG is really just for grumpy people, or that playing IG makes you a grumpy person.

Besides, as well as being young, I'm considered to be quite energetic and generally optimistic by friends, family and colleagues. One in a thousand, perhaps, but it's more a point to show how his "observation" holds no real objective credit.

Optimistic, funny how that seems to conflict with your username, kind of ironic actually.
Now that I think about it of the three IG players I know, only one is over thirty and he's not the grumpy one, just an incredibly slow player - even for an IG player. Who needs to retract and extend the damn tape measure for every new measurement and double measure a model that hasn't moved since the start of the game?
I'm surprised people don't like Guard, they get my vote as the most grim-dark army, truly depressing.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Optimistic, funny how that seems to conflict with your username, kind of ironic actually.

You can be annoying and still be a positive character

Now that I think about it of the three IG players I know, only one is over thirty and he's not the grumpy one, just an incredibly slow player - even for an IG player. Who needs to retract and extend the damn tape measure for every new measurement and double measure a model that hasn't moved since the start of the game?

Well at least he's pleasant to play with - that's what matters.

I've only known one other IG player, back in Dubai. He was Emirati, and essentially taught me all the tactics and compositions I know with IG back in 5th Ed; a very welcome member of the club there, that's for sure.

I'm surprised people don't like Guard, they get my vote as the most grim-dark army, truly depressing.

I like them because they're the true underdogs of 40k. They aren't genetically enhanced supersoldiers, or leatherskinned xenos with superior technology. They're just men and women with lasguns and fire in their hearts - humanity's first and last line of defence. There's a very indescribable appeal with IG, which is probably why a lot of people aren't fond of them; they just know them for spamming Lascannons and Leman Russes (and now Conscripts), and not for the joy of using them to face down the far more deadly enemies of the Imperium without faltering.

 General Annoyance wrote:


I like them because they're the true underdogs of 40k. They aren't genetically enhanced supersoldiers, or leatherskinned xenos with superior technology. They're just men and women with lasguns and fire in their hearts - humanity's first and last line of defence. There's a very indescribable appeal with IG, which is probably why a lot of people aren't fond of them; they just know them for spamming Lascannons and Leman Russes (and now Conscripts), and not for the joy of using them to face down the far more deadly enemies of the Imperium without faltering.

Well said.

I think IG is the most exciting faction in the game and by a long shot. Their every victory is a glorious one, while their every defeat is just a blib in the radar, at the most.

I second all of that. The IG are...us! And it annoys me that they aren't featured more often.

I agree, AM are badass.

I am reminded of Lieutenant Chard's exchange with Colour Sergeant Bourne at the end of Zulu:

"Lt. Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer-Henry point-four-five caliber miracle.
Sgt. Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind it."

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Optimistic, funny how that seems to conflict with your username, kind of ironic actually.

You can be annoying and still be a positive character

Now that I think about it of the three IG players I know, only one is over thirty and he's not the grumpy one, just an incredibly slow player - even for an IG player. Who needs to retract and extend the damn tape measure for every new measurement and double measure a model that hasn't moved since the start of the game?

Well at least he's pleasant to play with - that's what matters.

I've only known one other IG player, back in Dubai. He was Emirati, and essentially taught me all the tactics and compositions I know with IG back in 5th Ed; a very welcome member of the club there, that's for sure.

I'm surprised people don't like Guard, they get my vote as the most grim-dark army, truly depressing.

I like them because they're the true underdogs of 40k. They aren't genetically enhanced supersoldiers, or leatherskinned xenos with superior technology. They're just men and women with lasguns and fire in their hearts - humanity's first and last line of defence. There's a very indescribable appeal with IG, which is probably why a lot of people aren't fond of them; they just know them for spamming Lascannons and Leman Russes (and now Conscripts), and not for the joy of using them to face down the far more deadly enemies of the Imperium without faltering.

I was with you right up until the "fire in their hearts" part, I'd replace the fire with the knowledge their C.O. is as likely to kill them as anything else in the universe

Depends on the regiment.

I have an entirely unfair bias against guard due to the fact that both of the people who play guard are the sort who will start talking about /pol/ and how great it is at the drop of a hat.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I was with you right up until the "fire in their hearts" part, I'd replace the fire with the knowledge their C.O. is as likely to kill them as anything else in the universe

That part is actually in the intro page of the 5th ed codex, albeit a bit paraphrased by me

As Bob says, it depends on the regiment, even the company to an extent. Some fight out of fear, others out of hatred, others still out of stupidity. The Guard as a whole cares not what your motives to fight are, only that you fight, win, or die fighting.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I agree, AM are badass.

I am reminded of Lieutenant Chard's exchange with Colour Sergeant Bourne at the end of Zulu:

"Lt. Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer-Henry point-four-five caliber miracle.
Sgt. Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind it."

Watched Zulu again yesterday night. Absolutely crackin' piece of cinema. Bourne's probably the best character, and it's a strong bunch.

Great film.

I still hate chaos the most...and I'm a chaos player! AoS chaos that is. In AoS they work but in 40k they just bug me. I can't explain why though.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I was with you right up until the "fire in their hearts" part, I'd replace the fire with the knowledge their C.O. is as likely to kill them as anything else in the universe

That part is actually in the intro page of the 5th ed codex, albeit a bit paraphrased by me

As Bob says, it depends on the regiment, even the company to an extent. Some fight out of fear, others out of hatred, others still out of stupidity. The Guard as a whole cares not what your motives to fight are, only that you fight, win, or die fighting.

Very poetic that.

I got to say that I feel most people who chose orks, really don't understand the heart of 40k. 40k has always been built around humor, no matter how dark and dry, and really isn't supposed to take itself seriously. I don't really see how they could be considered not grimdark enough. Their whole culture is revolved around essentially murdering people for fun.

Though Orks change pretty wildly depending on the author depicting them. Sometimes Orks are displayed in a "slapstick" humor kind of way, and I do find that off putting.

I'm very confused by everyone saying that Tau do not fit in the universe. The existence of the Eldar already proves that they have every right to be in 40k, yet somehow every tau hater seems to ignore that?
I'm not even a huge weeb and I have massive respect for the tau. (Aesthetically and fluff wise at least) The presence of Tau and Eldar gives a very nice contrast to the rest of the world and really gives it whole new dimensions and depth. The sleek, pretty, and smooth alien vehicles and troops of the tau and eldar give an amazing contrast to the crude, bulky, and brutal troops and vehicles of the orks, imperium, and chaos. Without them, the whole world of 40k would be much more flat and boring imo. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

Even if you don't personally enjoy them, you can at least respect them as an enemy to fight and slaughter

As for my least favorite faction, while I don't hate any of them, I have the most problems with them.

Necrons
Their aesthetic is amazing and I really do love their models. Sadly they have some of the most boring fluff in the whole game. They don't really have a super defining characteristic or vibe that really make the other factions so interesting. The whole goal of their faction is to just wake up the tomb worlds and rise to their former glory. That's all. There's different dynasties with different goals but that doesn't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. By far the most interesting part of the fluff is how most of the overlords and lords went insane during the great sleep and now are awake and crazy. Sadly, this is barely touched on, and when it is, not very well.

Eldar
I respect them wholeheartedly, but they really just don't do much for me. They do have some interesting parts of them that I really do love (particularly, howling banshees, everything wraith related, and the whole how eldar are to humans what humans are to cattle idea) but for the most part are a little too sterile and clean for my taste.


Space Marines
Mostly for just the oversaturation and mary sue aspects of the faction. Worst offenders are Grey Knights and Ultramarines. They don't have any real weaknesses and the whole "we are the best and most bad ass and can never be beaten" just makes them really uncompelling. I feel the same way towards superman in this regard. In an effort to make the most badass and cool beings in the universe, they really did the opposite and just made them the blandest most boring beings in the universe.

Dakka Forums.

Cyriss. A perfect fusion of bad writers, poor balance, awful visual design, and bad fanfiction smooshed together into a frustrating non-interactive ball of irritating goo.

*beat*

Attempting to be more on-topic rules-wise I hate Grey Knights the most, since they run entirely on stupid gimmicks built around my least favorite parts of the 8e rules (Smite and Deep Strike) and are otherwise bland and dull, and lore-wise I hate the more protagonist-y Space Marine Chapters (Space Wolves, Ultramarines, occasionally Blood Angels) the most since they're highly flanderized anti-intellectual dull caricatures whose lore mostly consists of writers telling us how much we should love them rather than anything interesting happening.

(Rolling back off-topic for a minute into other games in Star Wars it's hard to hate any factions since there are so few but the shiny-happy-friendly Rebel portrayals probably come close (and the Rebels in X-Wing tabletop-wise because every *bleep*ing list is 75pts+Biggs), it's hard to hate any factions in Infinity since they're designed by intelligent people who manage to preserve faction personality without stuffing the game with faction-specific mechanics, and I hate all the End Times-and-beyond factions in AoS equally because they're all equally silly-looking blobs of gibberish (special pass to the sky-dwarves since they're the first dwarves anyone has ever made for anything that don't look ridiculous), but especially the combined-elves for reducing six thousand years of genocidal war to the bulls*** "come back, Malekith, we love you" alternate-universe-fanfiction resolution, and the Sylvaneth for trying to convince me that reducing the elves to the forest spirits out of a book I didn't even play was in some way better than making some new elf models.)

Runner-up to the Necrons, for GW's inability to design them in a way that doesn't feel incredibly irritating on the tabletop (independent of their actual effectiveness they're always just annoying), and to the Space Marine factions with special-character Chapter Masters, for turning 8th into a new way of punishing people for wanting to write their own lore/make their own models instead of using the Chapters GW wrote.

So yeah. Plenty of hate stretching across space, time, and game systems. I would like to stress, however, that I have nothing against human beings who decide that something on my list of hated things is cool and feel like playing it, my hate is reserved for the idiots who wrote the things.

Do you guys hate the necrons more for their fluff or for their rules? I love the idea of them but perhaps GW isn't using them to their full potential.

the only things I don't like are the anime look of tau, they don't fit all the rest IMO, and the fluff of dark eldar. The "i like pain above anything else" feels lame..

 ajaxcrackmaster wrote:


I'm very confused by everyone saying that Tau do not fit in the universe. The existence of the Eldar already proves that they have every right to be in 40k, yet somehow every tau hater seems to ignore that?
I'm not even a huge weeb and I have massive respect for the tau. (Aesthetically and fluff wise at least) The presence of Tau and Eldar gives a very nice contrast to the rest of the world and really gives it whole new dimensions and depth. The sleek, pretty, and smooth alien vehicles and troops of the tau and eldar give an amazing contrast to the crude, bulky, and brutal troops and vehicles of the orks, imperium, and chaos. Without them, the whole world of 40k would be much more flat and boring imo. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

Even if you don't personally enjoy them, you can at least respect them as an enemy to fight and slaughter

But... the Tau don't even fight in melee!

They only build big, strong robot suits so that they could carry more and bigger guns.

Visually it's IG for me. I think they don't fit among super-soldiers, advanced xenos races or literal demons. Especially their WWI tanks.

Mechanically it's also IG. My worst game ever was in a 5 man team tournament in 7th edition. My Eldar got paired against an IG foot soldier spam enemy. I could've won the game easily if it wasn't for him stalling. During the 2:30h we managed to play only 2 turns.