Older Models Use For Newer Editions.

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Prime259**

Dose It Matter If I Use Older Models For The Newer Editions?

**Captyn_Bob**

Rarely.
Old models look cool, and they have a certain nostalgia factor that a lot of players love.

The only time you fall down is in size. Stuff has got bigger over the years..
And sometimes the quality of old models isn't too great, and they look a bit naff.

There are a few howling examples of size disparity which wouldn't be suitable to play.. Like the first gen greater deaemons.. but these would be fine as daemon princes.

**Prime259**

Let's Say If I Where To Use A 2nd Edition Chaos Sorcerer Would It Be Too Drastic Of A Difference To The Rest Of The Army?

**Captyn_Bob**

Not at all. Heck in using Rogue traders chaos Renegades mixed in..
If they are in the same unit as bigger stuff, a scenic base can boost the appearance

**stroller**

Use what you like. The only restriction that matters is use GW figures if playing in a GW store.

**hobojebus**

Only thing I'd avoid is 2nd ed terminators they are so tiny now.

**whispered_war**

stroller wrote:
The only restriction that matters is use GW figures if playing in a GW store.

That is basically the only thing to know when deciding the model to use! Most players really won't mind playing against you if you have older models.

Spoiler:

**Azazelx**

hobojebus wrote:
Only thing I'd avoid is 2nd ed terminators they are so tiny now.

These are RT/1st Ed Terminators. They look fine, as you can see.

**Karhedron**

I still run my old metal Terminators. I took a lot of time painting them back in the day and I am in no hurry to replace them. I also have plenty of the old 1st edition Aspect warriors (some of Jes Goodwin's finest scuplts).

In short, it doesn't matter in the slightest if you run models that are several editions out of date. I prefer to keep models consistent within a unit (I wouldn't mix metal and plastic Termies in the same squad) but even that is just personal preference.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
The only time it can occasionally make a difference is that some old models are armed with wargear that is no longer legal or no longer exists. I still run my 1st edition Dark Reapers but I have to use newer Exarch models because the old Dark Reaper Exarchs were armed with a Web of Skulls, an interesting weapon that no longer exists.

**Nevelon**

Scale creep is a real thing.

Spoiler:

But for the most part isn’t a huge deal in game play. The biggest impact is going to be base size, and the pros/cons of those are mostly a wash anyway. Especially now that templates are gone. I regularly mix armies from every era of the game, and have only received complements for doing so. In my years of playing, I can only think of one time it made a difference in game play, where my small based terminators would have had a deep strike mishap if they were on 40s.

IMHO you should take every opportunity to paint and play with the old stuff. It connects to the rich history of the hobby, and showcases parts of that to new people who might not otherwise be aware of it.

**CynosureEldar**

Its really only the random size changes you have to worry about. I got this guy in the mail the other day to replace an obertarated Wraithguard, but, well....

https://imgur.com/a/cYh5h

**chimeara**

I use old metal chaos terms and metal dreadnaught. Never had any complaints. In fact nearly my entire army is from 4th edition time period.

**jeff white**

Some marines are short some tall... Scale creep is what happens to me over Xmas holidays. I outgrow my armor!

**MechaEmperor7000**

If you really want some fun, check out the Bloodthirster:

The first one is on a 40mm base! And yes, the last one (the FW one) is legal to use as a generic Bloodthirster.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Prime259 wrote:
Dose It Matter If I Use Older Models For The Newer Editions?

What do you mean? Every model goes through exactly one iteration for ever, right?
Except Celestine she is the one exception lol.

**chimeara**

I remember when the 2nd gen Bloodthirster was huge to play with lol.

**Insectum7**

Love that old Bloodthirster, I have four! They make great Daemon Princes.

My Chaos army spans from 1st ed through... Magnus, I think is the newest model of the bunch. Whole thing looks great, never had any complaints. On the table there are very few things which actually look off in terms of scale. As posted above, once old Terminators are on 40mm bases, they look just fine.

Edit: Tyranid Warriors have done reverse scale creep, the original ones are much taller.

**nareik**

If someone jokes about the size of your old space marines, say the geneseed was experimentally put into abhuman squats and ratlngs!

**Brother SRM**

They're GW models, so they're usable. I use models older than I am on the regular and haven't had a single problem in my decade of playing this game.

**Luciferian**

Anything GW is legit. Although as some posters have shown above, there certainly is a big difference in size sometimes!

I would personally only ever use 2nd edition land speeders if I could get my hands on them for a decent price...

**DarkStarSabre**

chimeara wrote:
I remember when the 2nd gen Bloodthirster was huge to play with lol.

At the time it was. Notice all the bigger stuff is plastic. Back then, most of it was metal.

You want real impressively expensive big stuff from way back when? Look for the old citadel Imperial Dragon. All metal. As big as the current Smaug. Iirc it also had a wing 'frame' that required tinfoil to make the membranes!

**whispered_war**

nareik wrote:
If someone jokes about the size of your old space marines, say the geneseed was experimentally put into abhuman squats and ratlngs!

Sounds like a good plan to me!

Personally I'd never play old and new together, but that's just me personally wanting to stay organised. If you're happy with old and new together, go for it. (And then you can brag that you're diverse because you have different sized people

)

**Pseudomonas**

Prime259 wrote:
Dose It Matter If I Use Older Models For The Newer Editions?

Not in the least, if you like the miniature and it is appropriate for what it is meant to represent there is nothing stopping you using it. The vehicles in my current Death Guard army are about 25 years old.

Similarly you can use miniatures from other manufacturers as well
For example this is my current Deamon Prince:

**nareik**

Luciferian wrote:
Anything GW is legit. Although as some posters have shown above, there certainly is a big difference in size sometimes!

I would personally only ever use 2nd edition land speeders if I could get my hands on them for a decent price...

What about models that were GW way back, but have since went OOP and been released by other companies?

**CAPTAIN COWARD**

There's a base size issue with Tactical Marines, but I've got units of old and new Tacticals in one unit. They look a bit odd, but not too bad.

**Spectral Ceramite**

I think its fine so long as you use the new base size for that model. For my armies I have the old Celestine model and the new one. The new one is such a pain in the ass to transport (and tbh I like the look of the old one better) I just use the old one (When I rarely run geminae I have coverted up 2x seraphim as well so look cohesive). They are on the same sized base as the new Celestine etc. If the opponent is worried about height just say they are actually this tall (the old chaos demons as has been shown exemplifies this). Apart from competitive play, I don't see it being a problem ever (I actually love when I see old models).

Base sizes I have found some randoms have been hesitant about. Eg. I have all my SoB's on 32's instead of 28's (I did it cause looks better) and tbh game wise it makes it harder for me (my transport destroyed near an enemy I can disembark less, lower amount into combat when pile in etc etc). Though, I can spread my screeners a little bit wider (However, I usually run mechanised). But have had it happen.

**Scott-S6**

nareik wrote:
Luciferian wrote:
Anything GW is legit. Although as some posters have shown above, there certainly is a big difference in size sometimes!

I would personally only ever use 2nd edition land speeders if I could get my hands on them for a decent price...
What about models that were GW way back, but have since went OOP and been released by other companies?

Which OOP GW models are you talking about that have been released by other companies?

**nareik**

Some really old barbarian figures and stuff.

In the early days they didn't put much into who had the rights for production, etc.

When this oversight was realised a few of the old guard gave their designs to other companies for production.

IIRC Some other models GW shared production rights with from the start too.

They tend to be late 90s prices for early 80s metal figures.