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Nogil wrote:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/regiment-focus-mordian-sep26gw-homepage-post-2/

GWs latest tease

Ah, thanks.

Damn. And I was hoping for something that allows firing all weapons at full BS on the move...

 Kawauso wrote:

Nogil wrote:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/regiment-focus-mordian-sep26gw-homepage-post-2/

GWs latest tease

Ah, thanks.

Damn. And I was hoping for something that allows firing all weapons at full BS on the move...

Wait and see I guess. I don't know what's actually coming, but if someone like steel legion got that kind of buff it wouldn't be a massive surprise, would it?

On balance I don't really like the Mordian buff. The unit it benefits most are conscripts, and I don't think conscripts fit with the Mordian image at all.

Mandragola wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:

Nogil wrote:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/regiment-focus-mordian-sep26gw-homepage-post-2/

GWs latest tease

Ah, thanks.

Damn. And I was hoping for something that allows firing all weapons at full BS on the move...

Wait and see I guess. I don't know what's actually coming, but if someone like steel legion got that kind of buff it wouldn't be a massive surprise, would it?

On balance I don't really like the Mordian buff. The unit it benefits most are conscripts, and I don't think conscripts fit with the Mordian image at all.

A little too early to tell if Conscripts are capable of benefitting from it, as we've not yet seen the changes GW said is coming to them.

seems to be a developing theme each regiment:

gets LD buff via a condition, a generic infantry and tank buff.

grinding advance on the tanks + catachan re-roll is the big win so far.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Second off these advantages have little to do with Catachans, no stealth, no infiltrate, just +1 strength and better weapons with random hits.

+1 strenght looks kinda appropriate. Stealth and infiltration... well, Catachans are jungle fighters so why should they get those boni - for example - in deserts or ruined cities? While a nice addition, the Catachan codex made them (pure DW army) nearly unplayable in normal games as they paid for rules that affected only a minority of games. Such special rules should be left to campaign books or supplements dealing with the jungle theme (or another Shadow War game).

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

A little too early to tell if Conscripts are capable of benefitting from it, as we've not yet seen the changes GW said is coming to them.

The article is explicit that Conscripts benefit.

I still like the +1 that Mordians get, in fact, I love it everything so far.

Dionysodorus wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

A little too early to tell if Conscripts are capable of benefitting from it, as we've not yet seen the changes GW said is coming to them.

The article is explicit that Conscripts benefit.

So it is.

Makes me wonder what nerfs they were meaning when they said Conscripts were changing. They'd have to be fairly major to counter act that.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Dionysodorus wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

A little too early to tell if Conscripts are capable of benefitting from it, as we've not yet seen the changes GW said is coming to them.

The article is explicit that Conscripts benefit.

So it is.

Makes me wonder what nerfs they were meaning when they said Conscripts were changing. They'd have to be fairly major to counter act that.

Cannot receive orders.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
My tanks are now Mordian.

Isnt the Russ buff universal.

It is, but they aren't wrong about Mordian Punishers being the hand of god to normal line infantry.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
My tanks are now Mordian.

Isnt the Russ buff universal.

It is, but they aren't wrong about Mordian Punishers being the hand of god to normal line infantry.

Yes, very much this! Plus another poster had my at "Baneblade overwatching at BS 4+"

That and well.. my crew is kinda-sorta Praetorian, so Mordian is the closest thing.

Remember they hinted that the conscript nerf had to do with their lack of discipline.

One thing someone mentioned as a possibility was that orders would be going off on a 4+ instead of being automatic. Perhaps Conscripts orders go off on a 5+? What if units got something like a order stat where they successfully manifest orders on X roll.

Another area where this could manifest is in how conscripts interact with commissars. Maybe instead of just losing 1, they lose 1/2 rounded down?

There are plenty of ways that they could be modified to represent the way things are changed.

Once again all of this is conjecture and I have no solid evidence to back it up but something to think about until we know for sure.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Dionysodorus wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

A little too early to tell if Conscripts are capable of benefitting from it, as we've not yet seen the changes GW said is coming to them.

The article is explicit that Conscripts benefit.

So it is.

Makes me wonder what nerfs they were meaning when they said Conscripts were changing. They'd have to be fairly major to counter act that.

Could be all their infantry getting a point increase. They're worth that much anyway when nothing ignores their armor besides things like Rubric and Sternguard Bolters.

The conscripts will probably be needed by commissars giving a version of the graia rule where they have a x+ save against battle shock

I would like to see the conscripts killing the commissar and running away if you roll a 1 on the morale check.

Nogil wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:
Am I missing something?

I tried backtracking in the thread but what's the 'Russ buff' people are referencing?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/regiment-focus-mordian-sep26gw-homepage-post-2/

GWs latest tease

Yes! Using my Praetorians as Mordians. Parade Drill is really characterful to that army.

So, i'm curious as to whether the new Grinding Assault rule will transfer across to the FW LRs. If so, suddenly the FW Vanquisher is pretty interesting when within 24" of it's target at the start of the turn.

2 shots, hitting on 3's, re-rolling hits, 2d6 pick the highest dmg at str 8 -3.

As for the Mordian order - i think this now gives a nod towards chimera rush command/vet/special weapon squads. One way to plasma/melta a character off the table - and if you have a handful of LRs providing more pressing targets, they should be able to get to where you want them.

Kdash wrote:
So, i'm curious as to whether the new Grinding Assault rule will transfer across to the FW LRs. If so, suddenly the FW Vanquisher is pretty interesting when within 24" of it's target at the start of the turn.

I definitely wonder this myself. Up until now I have favored the idea of taking Conquerors, and this buff makes them better too.

Nogil wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:
Am I missing something?

I tried backtracking in the thread but what's the 'Russ buff' people are referencing?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/regiment-focus-mordian-sep26gw-homepage-post-2/

GWs latest tease

Yeah, sorry. I work nights (and had an especially traumatic one last night) and live in the central US so I was already in bed when the article hit. I will update the article once I am done taking care of some stuff.

Kdash wrote:
So, i'm curious as to whether the new Grinding Assault rule will transfer across to the FW LRs. If so, suddenly the FW Vanquisher is pretty interesting when within 24" of it's target at the start of the turn.

Knowing Forge World, some time next year..

Some members in my group are adamant that the Mordian rule doesn't work RAW because the main rulebook states that overwatch only ever hits on a 6 and never benefits from or suffers modifiers.

Modified overwatch as a special rule has been a part of the game since overwatch existed, why would people pout and shake their heads now?

Drdaniel5 wrote:
Some members in my group are adamant that the Mordian rule doesn't work RAW because the main rulebook states that overwatch only ever hits on a 6 and never benefits from or suffers modifiers.

Yeah, this seems to clearly be right. Overwatch doesn't say that you don't get modifiers -- this isn't a case of a specific rule over-riding a general one -- it just says that modifiers have no effect on whether or not the shot actually hits. To-hit modifiers still matter for things like determining whether your plasma overheats, and RAW this appears to be what the doctrine is good for. Of course, this is just obviously not what's intended and it's hard to imagine anyone seriously insisting that they think this is how it should be played.

Dionysodorus wrote:

Drdaniel5 wrote:
Some members in my group are adamant that the Mordian rule doesn't work RAW because the main rulebook states that overwatch only ever hits on a 6 and never benefits from or suffers modifiers.

Yeah, this seems to clearly be right. Overwatch doesn't say that you don't get modifiers -- this isn't a case of a specific rule over-riding a general one -- it just says that modifiers have no effect on whether or not the shot actually hits. To-hit modifiers still matter for things like determining whether your plasma overheats, and RAW this appears to be what the doctrine is good for. Of course, this is just obviously not what's intended and it's hard to imagine anyone seriously insisting that they think this is how it should be played.

Specific rules beat general rules. Generally, hit modifiers don't affect overwatch - but in this specific case it says that this modifier does.

Fingers crossed that scions don't get the nerf hammer, else all my "scions" will magically become "elysians"

Glad to see Guard haters or players who enjoyed stomping Guard armies get all uppity now we have dome good stuff too.

Seriously, I can see oceans of salt over the guard codex, and it's already begun in YMDC, where some one is insisting tanks have to move to fire the main cannon twice...

Mandragola wrote:
Specific rules beat general rules. Generally, hit modifiers don't affect overwatch - but in this specific case it says that this modifier does.

Well no the actual wording isn't that hit modifiers don't effect overwatch, it's that overwatch only hits on a 6+ regardless of modifiers or BS. So a rule saying overwatch hits on a 5+ would overwrite the limitation, as specific beats general.

However, in the case of a +1 to overwatch specifically, the +1 still doesn't help as you need a natural 6 regardless of modifiers, even modifiers hat specifically only apply to overwatch. It isn't specific overwriting general, as you can modify overwatch while still requiring a natural 6 to hit.

It's dumb, but by raw a specific +x to overwatch can never do anything. You have to directly modify the required roll, which makes stacking bonuses all but impossible, which I had assumed was the original intent until now.

Mandragola wrote:

Dionysodorus wrote:

Drdaniel5 wrote:
Some members in my group are adamant that the Mordian rule doesn't work RAW because the main rulebook states that overwatch only ever hits on a 6 and never benefits from or suffers modifiers.

Yeah, this seems to clearly be right. Overwatch doesn't say that you don't get modifiers -- this isn't a case of a specific rule over-riding a general one -- it just says that modifiers have no effect on whether or not the shot actually hits. To-hit modifiers still matter for things like determining whether your plasma overheats, and RAW this appears to be what the doctrine is good for. Of course, this is just obviously not what's intended and it's hard to imagine anyone seriously insisting that they think this is how it should be played.

Specific rules beat general rules. Generally, hit modifiers don't affect overwatch - but in this specific case it says that this modifier does.

You may want to re-read my post because I specifically addressed this possible misunderstanding. I am actually quite confused as to why you would make this post if you read past the first sentence of my post. You may also want to re-read the Overwatch rules, because they don't say that "hit modifiers don't affect Overwatch" (I helpfully summarized the actual rule in my post).

 ph34r wrote:
Fingers crossed that scions don't get the nerf hammer, else all my "scions" will magically become "elysians"

I run 30 Scions with my Inquisitorial list and they need the nerfhammer. At least, the spammy plasma ones.

 Galas wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Fingers crossed that scions don't get the nerf hammer, else all my "scions" will magically become "elysians"

I run 30 Scions with my Inquisitorial list and they need the nerfhammer. At least, the spammy plasma ones.

I've been running 25 and building more, I've been kind of leaning on them since Mechanicus got a low number of buffs. I hope they don't get messed up too much.