Using a Contemptor as a Daemon Prince?

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**Tiberius501**

So I converted up a Contemptor with some Nurgley bits to fit into my Death Guard army, but the lack of Disgustingly Resilient kinda put me off a little when drones and things come out a lot better. But then I had a randomly cool idea: what if I used it as a Daemon Prince of Nurgle? They have almost the same stats as a Hellbrute, and it would be pretty awesome having this veteran dreadnaught lord leading my men. Would this work? The contemptor is modelled with the Fists, so I could count that as a pare of Malefic Talons. The main thing atm is that it might be too big compared to the normal Daemon Prince model, but that's probably not too much of an issue. The other thing is that it may also confuse my opponent. What do you guys think?

EDIT: I've just finished drawing a quick sketch of a new design for it. The original model (first image) is a little too plain, with just a few tentacles and things on him. The new concept (second image) has a more commanding pose (though his legs are a little small but you get the idea), and has more leadery bits on him. So I think it'll work out a lot better for the idea. What do you guys think?

**Cephalobeard**

Eh. Without significant transformation, I'd say pass on it.

It's your responsibility to present an appropriate model when using a proxy or "counts as", and simply tossing down a contemptor with minor changes and calling it a Daemon Prince is a bit of a stretch.

That being said, if you're just playing with your buddies, who cares.

**Tiberius501**

What sort of things could I do to it to make it more obviously a Daemon Prince?

**MechaEmperor7000**

Daemon Arms, tails, wings, spikes, fleshy mutations. That kind of jazz.

**techsoldaten**

Looking at a Contemptor next to a CSM Daemon Prince model. They are about the same height and on the same base. I would not have a problem with it.

**Purifier**

Sounds like a pretty good proxy to me. That said, I've played against this as a drop pod, so what I'll allow is sort of a wide spectrum.

**Tycho**

I wouldn't have an issue with it either. Like techsoldaten said, it's about the same size as a DP anyway. Depending on your individual skill, you could do anything from painting it up "Nurgly" all the way to kit-bashing bits from actual DPs. Maybe get a few Nurgling units off eBay and smatter them throughout the conversion. Should be fine. Unless you're going to a tourney with it - in which case, always ask your TOs first.

**Tiberius501**

Thanks for all the replies guys. He has tentacles and other fleshy bits on him and the size being relatively equal means I'll do it

If I meet an opponent who isn't keen on the idea, I'll just swap him out for a Lord of Contagion or something

**Ravingbantha**

It may lack Disgusting and Resilient, but it's a boss piece even without it. I run one in my list all the time, usually with twin butcher cannons for some fun LD penalty, but the idea of twin close combat weapons with soulburners is also something I like. And since it's a Helbrute, it should get the 'Inexorable Advance' rule.

**osmesis**

I wouldn't mind at all. I use this as my IW prince they're about the same size:

**Warboss ZanZag**

I am going to start a nurgle army myself, and i do not like the Daemon Prince that is currently available on Games workshop.
So i am going to proxy myself. And i think ill pick up the Glottkin from Age of Sigmar.

Maybe this is something you could use aswell, and is very Nurgly.

**nareik**

Pics please op.

**Elbows**

Warboss - just a note, the Glotkin is frikkin' massive for a Daemon Prince.

**techsoldaten**

Yeah, pics please. Would love to see it.

**Tiberius501**

It's pretty tame, and more just a Contemptor with some bits growing out of it (fist image). I just finished a quick sketch of a new one I want to make with a similar style but in a more commanding pose and with some extra, more leadery bits on him (second image), which I think will work a lot better for it.

**nareik**

I think if you manage to pull off this commanding/character daemonic dreadnought vibe of the sketch instead of berserk faceless goon vibe of the current incarnation it will work!

I mean, is there any reason an interred marine couldn't ascend? Surely the important thing is he keeps promoting that nurgley goodness and keeps his self control / discipline!?

**Tiberius501**

osmesis wrote:
I wouldn't mind at all. I use this as my IW prince they're about the same size:

He's awesome!

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nareik wrote:
I think if you manage to pull off this commanding/character daemonic dreadnought vibe of the sketch instead of berserk faceless goon vibe of the current incarnation it will work!

I mean, is there any reason an interred marine couldn't ascend? Surely the important thing is he keeps promoting that nurgley goodness and keeps his self control / discipline!?

Thanks

Yeah I thought the same. I've never been a big fan of the Daemon Prince models, and a cool dreadnaught who's ascended within his armoured tomb sounds quite cool to me. I see him as being senile, gone mad through so many years as a dreadnaught, being so infected, and his ascension. It's left him believing he's still in the Horus Heresy, leading his men against the still living emperor. I originally started painting my Death Guard green, but after coming up with this fluff, I'm now painting them the classic Heresy scheme and saying they all suffer the same delirium and all follow their dreadnaught lord. As they've seen and faced Guilliman (my bro collects ultramarines), this only strengthens their belief

**Cephalobeard**

Tiberius501 wrote:
It's pretty tame, and more just a Contemptor with some bits growing out of it (fist image). I just finished a quick sketch of a new one I want to make with a similar style but in a more commanding pose and with some extra, more leadery bits on him (second image), which I think will work a lot better for it.

I mean, yeah dude you make it look like that sketch and i'll let you slap it on whatever table you want.

**Galas**

Yeah, that sketch is awesome, and sorry but I'm totally stole that idea. it looks awesome with that pose

**MechaEmperor7000**

If you get some fleshy bits on the joints on top of what you have for the sketch, he'll even look like a Daemon Prince that once wore Tartaros Terminator Armor rather than a Dreadnought.

**gwarsh41**

I think it looks pretty sweet, personally I would suggest some corruption on the helm. It would be hard, but if you could drill out a chunk to show some daemon flesh inside it would give it a bit more daemon prince feel than corrupt dreadnought.
The cloak helps with the personality that I feel daemon princes have. I think it is an awesome idea to consider the thought of the corpse in a dreadnought being granted daemonhood.
Rules wise, why not? AV is gone and dreadnoughts are basically daemon princes already!

**Tibs Ironblood**

I think its a totally cool idea and I would have zero problems playing it. They are very close in size and that right there is good enough for me. Bonus points for adding extra details and making it stand out.

**Tiberius501**

All the suggestions are cool, I'll look to add more fleshy bits to his limbs and also possibly doing something with his head. If I can't drill out a bit of the head, I might just add a horn coming through or something like that.
Thanks everyone

I'll be ordering the contemptor soon from FW and I'll post up a link in here for when I start working on him, if anyone is interested.

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Galas wrote:
Yeah, that sketch is awesome, and sorry but I'm totally stole that idea. it looks awesome with that pose

Thanks. And I'm glad you like it that much, so go for it

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Cephalobeard wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
It's pretty tame, and more just a Contemptor with some bits growing out of it (fist image). I just finished a quick sketch of a new one I want to make with a similar style but in a more commanding pose and with some extra, more leadery bits on him (second image), which I think will work a lot better for it.

I mean, yeah dude you make it look like that sketch and i'll let you slap it on whatever table you want.

Thanks. I think I can do it with enough time and the right tools. I have a friend as well who's pretty good with greenstuff so he can help me out with a few of the more challenging bits like the cape

**Drummernathan**

I think it would be better suited for an IW daemon prince not a death Guard one.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Given that you are heavily changing the base model, I say just order the cheaper GW version and save some money. Might be easier to work with too considering plastic is the most forgiving out of the materials, although you may still need a right arm (the plastic one only comes with cannons).

**Pancakey**

Looks great. I say go for it!

**Tiberius501**

What would you guys do about having 2 other Contemptors flanking him as his bodyguard? Using them as hellbrutes and then having him as a Daemon Prince would be too confusing right? Or would he stand out enough as different?

**Desubot**

I feel it needs more fleshy bits
a contemptor is still a marine. and anyone can be promoted to daemon prince.

but i figure the dark ones would gift them with a full body instead of a casket still .

so the guy just keeps his dread armor on as normal armor.

**Tiberius501**

Desubot wrote:
I feel it needs more fleshy bits
a contemptor is still a marine. and anyone can be promoted to daemon prince.

but i figure the dark ones would gift them with a full body instead of a casket still .

so the guy just keeps his dread armor on as normal armor.

A few others have suggested this, and I think you guys are right. I'll add some more fleshy bits and stuff wrapping around the limbs next time I'm on the PC and see how that comes out. I'll post it up here when I've done it. I'll be waiting for the model to arrive for a while so I may as well experiment with the concept.

I think I sort of want to keep him within the coffin to a certain extent, but have all this mutated fleshy stuff bursting out from it, which is tangling around the dreadnaught and sort of turning it into his own body. I'll come back with a couple of different designs and see what you guys think

**Desubot**

Id say keep it really simple.

cool demon head inside where the helm

keep one arm a power fist, the other could be a fleshy arm with parts of the original power fist armor on it and have him holding a weapon of some sort or doing something.

the legs are going to be tough but you could probably do something like give him a clawed toe.

and give him a chain skirt like in your sketch to avoid having to do tooo much to the legs.

and have tenticals and goop oozing out of the armor and joints and i think you got it made in the shade. mabye a hell brute style spine on the back, and even maybe a jet pack or wings if you want it.