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I totally mix Forge Worlds. TPM probably will not change that. Some things are simply better with access to a certain stratagem.

Skitarii also still are not anywhere near as good as Guardsmen. Move Move Move is insanely strong. It's really out only way to outmaneuever Eldar.

On the issue of points, what base size do you think these TPM have? It seems like 40mm, like the Infiltrators, but I can't tell from the angle of the photos. Anyone got a better way to tell? In any case, they seem to be halfway between Enginseers and TPD, so... 50-60 points?

Also, it seems the website has these boxes at £40. That is a very good value! Sicarian Infiltrators cost £28 usually. So you are getting the terrain pieces (great for Knight rubble at least) and the Manipulus for £12.

 Suzuteo wrote:
I totally mix Forge Worlds. TPM probably will not change that. Some things are simply better with access to a certain stratagem.

Skitarii also still are not anywhere near as good as Guardsmen. Move Move Move is insanely strong. It's really out only way to outmaneuever Eldar.

Guess that's my problem with Mechanics - I refuse to mix the ugly ass of IG in. Sounds like a nice summary for the Admech codex, isn't it

On the issue of points, what base size do you think these TPM have? It seems like 40mm, like the Infiltrators, but I can't tell from the angle of the photos. Anyone got a better way to tell? In any case, they seem to be halfway between Enginseers and TPD, so... 50-60 points?

Also, it seems the website has these boxes at £40. That is a very good value! Sicarian Infiltrators cost £28 usually. So you are getting the terrain pieces (great for Knight rubble at least) and the Manipulus for £12.

The base indeed seems to be Infiltrators. Although I'm buying the box, as the value is indeed decent, with a little trimming one of my two sprue TPDs might get converted. Just for kicks.

BoLS posted the datasheet for Manipulus. Base cost 90 points.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/01/40k-kill-team-meet-the-tech-priest-manipulus.html

Unfortunate on the points (I wonder if the pts were determined pre-CA, and we'll get a FAQ). Still think it's useable instead of a Dominus, particularly in a Cawl list where you don't need the extra re-roll buff. Thoughts?

the_Grak wrote:
BoLS posted the datasheet for Manipulus. Base cost 90 points.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/01/40k-kill-team-meet-the-tech-priest-manipulus.html

90 points... just... why?

So much for slotting in between Enginseers and Dominii, that's exactly what a base Dominus costs as well... while being way more useful AND having more firepower and durability. Didn't they consider the CA18 point changes at all when writing the Manipulus' rules (or heck, the previews a few days ago) even though those changes were reportedly finished months before release (the main reason the Castellan didn't get the nerfbat it deserved)? Seriously, I'd rather take two Dominii so I can split up my army more and don't have to firebase castle around a single one, that brings more utility considering all the drawbacks with the Manipulus' buff auras and his lackluster weapon options and statline.

To add injury to the insult, the Magnarail lance costs another 5 points (95 points total, that's more expensive than a Dominus with Serpenta and Eradication Ray!).
Who is writing those profiles, Forgeworld staff or the Community team O.o?

And I genuinely thought that the new character wouldn't be DOA. I feel stupid now. Well, it'll save me the bother of buying the new kit or converting one at least :(.

 Ragnar Blackmane wrote:

the_Grak wrote:
BoLS posted the datasheet for Manipulus. Base cost 90 points.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/01/40k-kill-team-meet-the-tech-priest-manipulus.html

90 points... just... why?

So much for slotting in between Enginseers and Dominii, that's exactly what a base Dominus costs as well... while being way more useful AND having more firepower and durability. Didn't they consider the CA18 point changes at all when writing the Manipulus' rules (or heck, the previews a few days ago) even though those changes were reportedly finished months before release (the main reason the Castellan didn't get the nerfbat it deserved)? Seriously, I'd rather take two Dominii so I can split up my army more and don't have to firebase castle around a single one, that brings more utility considering all the drawbacks with the Manipulus' buff auras and his lackluster weapon options and statline.

To add injury to the insult, the Magnarail lance costs another 5 points (95 points total, that's more expensive than a Dominus with Serpenta and Eradication Ray!).
Who is writing those profiles, Forgeworld staff or the Community team O.o?

And I genuinely thought that the new character wouldn't be DOA. I feel stupid now. Well, it'll save me the bother of buying the new kit or converting one at least :(.

While I'm not thrilled about the price, I'm not writing it off yet. Stat-wise the only difference with the Dominus is bs2+ and +1 wound. The number of wounds aren't going to come into play often since they're characters, and if you're taking the flamer on the Manipulus you don't care about your bs anyway. The Manipulus is better at CC, which fills a need the army has. Everyone and their brother is bringing hordes of guardsmen, scouts, or cultists, and the Manipulus is well designed to join your dragoons/electropriests/vanguard in midfield to wipe them out. I think one makes a lot of sense in Stygies helping dragoons get off a first turn charge, among other things.

I do hope they adjust him downward a bit, but I like the direction they took with him.

the_Grak wrote:
BoLS posted the datasheet for Manipulus. Base cost 90 points.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/01/40k-kill-team-meet-the-tech-priest-manipulus.html

It is an art to kill the release so much...

the_Grak wrote:
BoLS posted the datasheet for Manipulus. Base cost 90 points.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/01/40k-kill-team-meet-the-tech-priest-manipulus.html

Annnnnnnnnnnnd it's gone.

Whelp, it was fun thinking he was going to be useful while it lasted. He is not worth 90 pts, and especially not 95pts with an 18" range crappy arquebus

the_Grak wrote:
BoLS posted the datasheet for Manipulus. Base cost 90 points.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/01/40k-kill-team-meet-the-tech-priest-manipulus.html

Whaaaat?

So, you're only going to be running one of these, tops. And you pretty much have to pair it with Cawl or Dominus in a Battalion or Brigade, but man is that a lot of points toward HQs. Might be worth it in a large single Forge World detachment like Agripinaa or Stygies...

I question who does the math(s) at GW

Situated between an Enginseer (30) and a Dominus (90)

*95*

hmm not sure how 95 is between 30-90 but someone had to resit some exams at university i figure

 Ideasweasel wrote:
I question who does the math(s) at GW

Situated between an Enginseer (30) and a Dominus (90)

*95*

hmm not sure how 95 is between 30-90 but someone had to resit some exams at university i figure

The only sensible explanation - release was printed way before the CA was closed, and there will be a points drop. Just let's hope it will be the FAQ, not CA 2019...

So for a slightly suped up enginseer with a special gun +1sv and slightly buffed combat (where you dont want him) i would expect 15-20 points more to make him useable the buff being negligable in most circumstances. At more than a dominous i will be sticking with my enginseers.

U02dah4 wrote:
So for a slightly suped up enginseer with a special gun +1sv and slightly buffed combat (where you dont want him) i would expect 15-20 points more to make him useable the buff being negligable in most circumstances. At more than a dominous i will be sticking with my enginseers.

Likewise. That and the model for this guy is just not that great. The boxed set does include terrain I might want and Infiltrators I do need, but I can just get the Infiltrators and not worry about the rest. My Ad Mech Brigade will continue to have two Dominus and an Enginseer.

dadamowsky wrote:

The only sensible explanation - release was printed way before the CA was closed, and there will be a points drop. Just let's hope it will be the FAQ, not CA 2019...

Does design or rules team have a contact email? I want to ask if they will revise the points to fall in line with CA 2018.

 Suzuteo wrote:
Does design or rules team have a contact email? I want to ask if they will revise the points to fall in line with CA 2018.

The only one I have is 40KFAQ@gwplc.com
It's an e-mail given out by facebook 40k's community manager

I’m thinking of cancelling my preorder but I’m not sure if I’m being too hasty. I have far to many unpainted models gathering dust and I can see tech priest tubs being another

 Ideasweasel wrote:
I’m thinking of cancelling my preorder but I’m not sure if I’m being too hasty. I have far to many unpainted models gathering dust and I can see tech priest tubs being another

Do it, worst you will buy him again, best case: GW sees they fethed up as nobody buys him and have to change the rules or lower the cost.

Edit: Preferably I would like to see the Magnarail increasing in range to 24", as its still only one shot and would increase to 30" with his aura, as well as the movement buff increasing to 2" for everything and I would then pay 80, for flamer, a little more with the rail

 Ideasweasel wrote:
I’m thinking of cancelling my preorder but I’m not sure if I’m being too hasty. I have far to many unpainted models gathering dust and I can see tech priest tubs being another

I was yet somewhat willing to preorder for the model alone, hoping to work it out with Cawlstar at least. But I resigned when I saw the price - it's simply not worth it. I will wait for a while to see if they improve the guy anyhow. To do tests proxy is enough anyway.

Yesterday I saw some comments on the facebook concerning the point cost of the new hq, went back today to see if GW respond, and noticed they are missing. Did GW delete/hide the comments?

 Ideasweasel wrote:
I’m thinking of cancelling my preorder but I’m not sure if I’m being too hasty. I have far to many unpainted models gathering dust and I can see tech priest tubs being another

If you still pre-order you essentially show GW that you agree with the way they handled the release, the product you are getting (including the bad rules) and bought into their marketing and encourage them to keep doing that in the future, especially because you even give them your money before they even released a set that will be available for several more months, probably even years after release. And your models gathering dust won't be thanking you either and the Manipulus will probably join their ranks too, won't he?

I mean if you want to throw money at GW out of blind brand loyalty and encourage them to keep doing what they did with the Manipulus, go ahead I guess.

Lol Ragnar, slow it down a little. My situation is a little more complex because I just ordered the fig on eBay. So I need to contact the seller and try and negotiate something.

I never normally preorder things to be honest but someone linked me a fairly cheap price and I pounced whilst they had some left.

As for blind brand loyalty, that certainly isn’t my style.

 Rex2490 wrote:
Yesterday I saw some comments on the facebook concerning the point cost of the new hq, went back today to see if GW respond, and noticed they are missing. Did GW delete/hide the comments?

My comment is still there. The community team replied, telling me to email feedback to their FAQ team, so I am going to do just that. 40KFAQ@gwplc.com

Anyone else as disappointed as I am should do the same.

I decided not to preorder this, just to send a message. (Literally, I sent an email to FAQ instead.)

2 Quick questions:

1. Did they end up nerfing the Stygies -1 dogma?
2. Cawl can be in a mixed detachment, you just lose the dogma right?

Cant seem to find specific ruling for the Cawl/mixed detachments one in the rulebook

 Rex2490 wrote:


2 Quick questions:

1. Did they end up nerfing the Stygies -1 dogma?
2. Cawl can be in a mixed detachment, you just lose the dogma right?

Cant seem to find specific ruling for the Cawl/mixed detachments one in the rulebook

1. No, it's as it was
2. He can, and mixed don't have the dogma as you've said. However keep in mind Cawl can RR only Mars

dadamowsky wrote:

 Rex2490 wrote:


2 Quick questions:

1. Did they end up nerfing the Stygies -1 dogma?
2. Cawl can be in a mixed detachment, you just lose the dogma right?

Cant seem to find specific ruling for the Cawl/mixed detachments one in the rulebook

1. No, it's as it was
2. He can, and mixed don't have the dogma as you've said. However keep in mind Cawl can RR only Mars

Just as I remember, Thanks.

So I'm plucking away at my Admech army and I'm wondering what the general consensus is on the servitor maniple and if it'd be worth it to take a min squad of servitors for the stratagem.

 fraser1191 wrote:
So I'm plucking away at my Admech army and I'm wondering what the general consensus is on the servitor maniple and if it'd be worth it to take a min squad of servitors for the stratagem.

Which stratagem are you referring to? The Agripinaa one? It's pretty good. Use it on a unit of 6x Plasmaphrons for the best results. And Servitors are also not bad. However, I still think Ryzaphrons are where it is at. They are amazingly powerful once you stack all the stratagems.

what is the general consensus of 6x ryzaphrons compared to 9x? is it worth it to go any higher than 6 in one unit?