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 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm actually thinking of doing something like that but with Armageddon Ork Hunters. The Marauder Horsemen from AoS come in packs of 10 and are perfect for Ork Hunter conversions (although I'd prefer actual Kriegers, because those models are boss).

Was thinking of backing them up with some of the faster tanks like Hellhounds

that was my thought, give the enemy plenty of things to shoot at, or if you need a distraction use the index riders and outflank. Also using the dagger of tushan along with codex riders lets you drop a whole lot of stuff on the enemies doorstep turn one while your artillery does the rest of the heavy lifting.

Rough Riders was a generic therm, as other people have mentioned, other "Rough Riders" from other planets use other animals.

Lexicanum wrote:Rough Riders are fast moving troops of the Imperial Guard, mounted on a horse/animal/beast/grox/bike or other mount.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kashann_Xeno_Riders


Like the Tallarn with their star-wars alien or the Death Korps with their genetically modified mutant horses on drugs (I know they are technically other unit, but they are just the Krieg version of Rough Riders)

Plus, that unit entry was open to conversions as cool as this:


Is like the Ogryn entry in the HH books for the Solar Auxilia. Rough Riders should have a text like this in their unit entry:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm actually thinking of doing something like that but with Armageddon Ork Hunters. The Marauder Horsemen from AoS come in packs of 10 and are perfect for Ork Hunter conversions (although I'd prefer actual Kriegers, because those models are boss).

Was thinking of backing them up with some of the faster tanks like Hellhounds

Get some of those wheeled Chimera conversions kits and that would look boss!

New space wolf superheavy: a giant robotic wolf made of individual robotic wolves that assemble in a super sentai fashion, piloted by wolves that are ride by werewolves that are ride by wolf lords!

Haha nice you hit max wolf density. I feel like Carcharodons need to get some flak on this front as well for having shark everything. I read Red Tithe and I kid you not even the main character was called 'Shar' lol!

Missed opportunity, bikes would have worked.

Missed opportunity to bring "Megaforce" from the 80's to tabletop:Bikes with multiple machine guns and rocket launchers.

 Talizvar wrote:
Missed opportunity, bikes would have worked.

Missed opportunity to bring "Megaforce" from the 80's to tabletop:

Spoiler:

Bikes with multiple machine guns and rocket launchers.

But only if they fly in the most awkward way possible, and the riders have to have feathered hair. Also Henry Silva yelling spanish in a tank for some reason.

God I love Rifftrax for introducing these things to me

 Talizvar wrote:
Missed opportunity to bring "Megaforce" from the 80's to tabletop:

Spoiler:

Bikes with multiple machine guns and rocket launchers.

Megaforce, the movie where they spent millions on silly-looking motocrosses and way less on actual tanks that made the motocrosses look puny and ridiculous, and where the bad guy's uniform are way better looking than the good guy's skintight suits, and even the bad guy leader is way more charismatic than the good guy leader.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Missed opportunity to bring "Megaforce" from the 80's to tabletop:

Spoiler:

Bikes with multiple machine guns and rocket launchers.

Megaforce, the movie where they spent millions on silly-looking motocrosses and way less on actual tanks that made the motocrosses look puny and ridiculous, and where the bad guy's uniform are way better looking than the good guy's skintight suits, and even the bad guy leader is way more charismatic than the good guy leader.

great, now I have to go watch this tonight, look what you have done!

Seeing your profile picture, seems like you could have fun watching it ^^.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Seeing your profile picture, seems like you could have fun watching it ^^.

Sadly I've actually owned that for a few years circa Rifftrax and their ability to make mind numbingly terrible movies funny. Also its nice to catch someone who knows what Rifts is and all of its mega 80s cheesiness.

Back to rough riders, someone around here actually made segway riders for their guard. I had almost went the scout bike route because I was displeased with 3rd party a the time (they've gotten a lot better these days) but I got a very very good deal on cold ones and then Victoria Minis started making riders....and fate brought it all together after than. The great thing is horses are pretty darn cheap if you dont mind ebay and stuff like empire pistoleers and guard torsos can do a decent job making a Rough Rider model, but I'd still say go with Victoria minis since she sells you the legs, torsos, heads and lances for a reasonable price in really nice resin.

Curiously enough I "get" the suspension of disbelief thing. Spiky malicious space elves? Check.
Vertically challenged snipers? Check.
Alien crouching vomit monster? Check.
Man on horse... doesn't fit the weirdness....

I own 30 freshly converted rough riders and I'm not particularly annoyed about them being left out of the codex. They already have great index rules and are still absolutely viable. What's changed? They can now even benefit from some regimental doctrines and strategems as far as I can tell!

 DoomMouse wrote:
I own 30 freshly converted rough riders and I'm not particularly annoyed about them being left out of the codex. They already have great index rules and are still absolutely viable. What's changed? They can now even benefit from some regimental doctrines and strategems as far as I can tell!

And they won't get nerfed in future either! Index rules roolz!

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Seeing your profile picture, seems like you could have fun watching it ^^.

Sadly I've actually owned that for a few years circa Rifftrax and their ability to make mind numbingly terrible movies funny. Also its nice to catch someone who knows what Rifts is and all of its mega 80s cheesiness.
Back to rough riders, someone around here actually made segway riders for their guard. I had almost went the scout bike route because I was displeased with 3rd party a the time (they've gotten a lot better these days) but I got a very very good deal on cold ones and then Victoria Minis started making riders....and fate brought it all together after than. The great thing is horses are pretty darn cheap if you dont mind ebay and stuff like empire pistoleers and guard torsos can do a decent job making a Rough Rider model, but I'd still say go with Victoria minis since she sells you the legs, torsos, heads and lances for a reasonable price in really nice resin.

I think I was 13 years old when that movie came out... much awesome at that time, I shudder to think now.

Palladium: I had all their books up to "Wormwood" when it first came out. Gave the whole collection to my brother. Bit miffed with how Robotech RPG Tactics Kickstarter went. You may want to see the Savage Worlds Rifts if you had not already.

Cold ones were a go-to for 40k cavalry, their look is sufficiently mean to work in the great grim-dark.
I guess the "vigil" is that another really nutty unit has been retired, I liked to see humor and strangeness in the 40k universe and this is just one less.
It would be horrible for 40k to take itself too seriously.
Found a bunch of original pictures of them:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 DoomMouse wrote:
I own 30 freshly converted rough riders and I'm not particularly annoyed about them being left out of the codex. They already have great index rules and are still absolutely viable. What's changed? They can now even benefit from some regimental doctrines and strategems as far as I can tell!

And they won't get nerfed in future either! Index rules roolz!

My thoughts exactly If the leaks I've heard are right too then giving them plasma won't cost any more with the new codex either if I'm wanting to make them as nasty as possible

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Meh, personally not sad to see them go. IG riding horses compared to the rest of the setting always tugged at the suspension of disbelief for me.

As others mentioned, you can still play them with the index

That was the part that broke suspension of disbelief for you? Guys on horses?

Somehow humans riding horses broke suspension of disbelief.

And not space elves with shuriken guns.

I can't even.

Clearly you only read the parts you want to read. I bolded, underlined, and made the font fething bigger so you can see it. My issue is not humans riding horses. My issue is that they are riding horses in a world filled with Daemons, armies wielding weapons that destroy entire cities and 8 foot tall super soldiers. Horses have no place relative to the 40k setting in MY OPINION - not yours clearly, but mine - how dare I right? Would I have an issue playing against them? Absolutely not, I'm talking about a fluff perspective that is purely my opinion, for sure others will disagree.

"Oh but Thunderwolves are there" - yeah well don't get me started on that clusterfeth. I won't be sad to see that abomination go either.

"Oh but in WW2 they used mounted horsemen" - awesome, seems like the base they attacked must have sent their Space Marines wielding plasma cannons home early that day

You want mounted IG units? Awesome so do I. Make them mechanised on some sort of mount would be very cool indeed.

If you want to make the horses mechanised, why not mechanise the humans too?

To be honest, NurglesROT, normal humans have no place either alongside Modified Ultra-Humans that are more like Demi-Gods of War, Space Elves that move at the speed of sound, Indestructible SkeletonRobots of 3meters ,etc...

But thats the appeal of Imperial Guard, isn't it?

nareik wrote:
If you want to make the horses mechanised, why not mechanise the humans too?

I didn't say to make the horses mechanised. But thank you for putting words in my mouth.

Galas wrote:But thats the appeal of Imperial Guard, isn't it?

Indeed. Humans doing their best to survive. Is it wrong though that I don't like a particular aesthetic of a unit? I'm sure there units that I really like that someone else will hate - such is the nature of the hobby.

Oh no, theres no problem about you disliking Rough Riders. But this is a discussion forum, you give your opinion, other people give their opinion about your opinion

 Galas wrote:
To be honest, NurglesROT, normal humans have no place either alongside Modified Ultra-Humans that are more like Demi-Gods of War, Space Elves that move at the speed of sound, Indestructible SkeletonRobots of 3meters ,etc...

But thats the appeal of Imperial Guard, isn't it?

This is exactly why I don't like the Imperial Guard personally; to me it's like being told you can be anything you want to be and deciding you wanna be Joe from Accounting.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Galas wrote:
To be honest, NurglesROT, normal humans have no place either alongside Modified Ultra-Humans that are more like Demi-Gods of War, Space Elves that move at the speed of sound, Indestructible SkeletonRobots of 3meters ,etc...

But thats the appeal of Imperial Guard, isn't it?

This is exactly why I don't like the Imperial Guard personally; to me it's like being told you can be anything you want to be and deciding you wanna be Joe from Accounting.

You take that back. Private Joe from Accounting bravely gummed up the claws of a Lictor with his bodyparts, saving the lives of his squadmates as they tactically redeployed.* Private Joe from Accounting was a fine man who died in the service of the Emperor**, as all heroes should.


* Ran away. Three men were executed by the regimental Commissar on their return the following morning.
** He was actually sleeping whilst on sentry duty, so can't even blame the chameleonic skin of the deadly vanguard organism for his demise.

I think Imperial Guard are needed to have a sense of familiarity. Without them, how should we know how really powerfull are this kind of things? If the only "emphatic" entity we had in the universe where Space Marines that by definition are Demi-Gods that Know No Fear, how should we see the Tyranids as a real thread? Or Orks, or even the horrors of Chaos?

Is because we see them face the Imperial Guard and obliterate them in hundreds of horrible ways that we know Warhammer40k is a horrible place.
They give the Universe a sense of scale.

And even if I agree Arachnofiend, because I never play as humans, theres a reason why in most MMO the mayority of people play as humans if thats an option

That's sort of the appeal. It lets Joe Everyman go toe to toe with cosmic horrors, comic supervillains, and even eldritch abominations and win.

I definitely get what you all mean, and I do see how Guard would appeal to others, it's just not for me.

All respect to the Maccabian Janissaries though, those guys know how to fight in style. Definitely my favorite Guard regiment, though the fact that I'd pick a hyper elite regiment that wears what almost looks like power armor for the one that I would theoretically play really just hammers in my opinion of Guard as a whole.

The Maccabian Janissaries are ultra cool. Rocking the face-mask before Stormcast Eternal did it mainstream!

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Missed opportunity to bring "Megaforce" from the 80's to tabletop:

Spoiler:

Bikes with multiple machine guns and rocket launchers.

Megaforce, the movie where they spent millions on silly-looking motocrosses and way less on actual tanks that made the motocrosses look puny and ridiculous, and where the bad guy's uniform are way better looking than the good guy's skintight suits, and even the bad guy leader is way more charismatic than the good guy leader.

great, now I have to go watch this tonight, look what you have done!

So were you man enough for Megaforce?



Hmm Megaforce themed White Scars army... hmmm


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 Talizvar wrote:

Found a bunch of original pictures of them:

Spoiler:

They have blood angel cutie marks!

 NurglesR0T wrote:

nareik wrote:
If you want to make the horses mechanised, why not mechanise the humans too?

I didn't say to make the horses mechanised. But thank you for putting words in my mouth.

From the horse's mouth:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
You want mounted IG units? ... Make them mechanised on some sort of mount

I must have misunderstood, could you please rephrase?

nareik wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

nareik wrote:
If you want to make the horses mechanised, why not mechanise the humans too?

I didn't say to make the horses mechanised. But thank you for putting words in my mouth.

From the horse's mouth:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
You want mounted IG units? ... Make them mechanised on some sort of mount

I must have misunderstood, could you please rephrase?

"Mechanised" units tends to mean that you're mounted on/in a vehicle.

He's not saying to make the horses into mechanical beasts, he's saying to mount them on a motorcycle or a hoverbike or a Segway.

Ah he means that kind of mechanised. The word mount confused me. Though it isn't unheard of to refer to the motor bike as a mechanical steed / horse, so I'm going to try and save a little bit of face on that point!

Personally I've always been under-enthused about bikerguard for the simple and obtuse reason: cav and bikes functioned mechanically differently under previous 40k editions.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Meh, personally not sad to see them go. IG riding horses compared to the rest of the setting always tugged at the suspension of disbelief for me.

As others mentioned, you can still play them with the index

That was the part that broke suspension of disbelief for you? Guys on horses?

Somehow humans riding horses broke suspension of disbelief.

And not space elves with shuriken guns.

I can't even.

Clearly you only read the parts you want to read. I bolded, underlined, and made the font fething bigger so you can see it. My issue is not humans riding horses. My issue is that they are riding horses in a world filled with Daemons, armies wielding weapons that destroy entire cities and 8 foot tall super soldiers. Horses have no place relative to the 40k setting in MY OPINION - not yours clearly, but mine - how dare I right? Would I have an issue playing against them? Absolutely not, I'm talking about a fluff perspective that is purely my opinion, for sure others will disagree.

"Oh but Thunderwolves are there" - yeah well don't get me started on that clusterfeth. I won't be sad to see that abomination go either.

"Oh but in WW2 they used mounted horsemen" - awesome, seems like the base they attacked must have sent their Space Marines wielding plasma cannons home early that day

You want mounted IG units? Awesome so do I. Make them mechanised on some sort of mount would be very cool indeed.

That’s called being reasonable. Unlike the people who think that everything that doesn fit their army theme should be removed.