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 dan2026 wrote:
It is disheartening to see every old codex coming out so far getting nothing. Except SM.

Nobody is getting any love. :(
I don't understand what GW is doing here.

To explain what GW is doing, previously they would release a codex and models every 6 months.

Currently they are releasing a codex every 2 weeks to get everyone up to speed in 8th edition.

It is not possible for them to release a new wave of models every 2 weeks, and it would be insane business-wise for them to do so.

WatcherZero wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So, it looks like that Natfka rumor was wrong since tyranids are next.

Natfka rumour is Craftworld Pre-order this weekend (which would be a fortnight after Guard and 4 weeks after AM) and Tyranids following a fortnight later.

And yet, we see that the Tyranid is preorder first.

 pretre wrote:

WatcherZero wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So, it looks like that Natfka rumor was wrong since tyranids are next.

Natfka rumour is Craftworld Pre-order this weekend (which would be a fortnight after Guard and 4 weeks after AM) and Tyranids following a fortnight later.

And yet, we see that the Tyranid is preorder first.

To clarify: do we actually see that or do we see a date for the Tyranid pre-order and no information for Eldar? Like, if the Eldar codex is coming out on the 28th it's not very surprising that the November WD doesn't have a date for them, right?

Warhammer Community site has been polling people on Craftworlds.



I would think it is likely they are next (Oct. 14th or more likely Oct. 21st preorder). Leaves at least another week of "downtime" (Blood Bowl Elves? Chapter Approved? General's Handbook?) before Tyranids get their turn, before/alongside Necromunda and Shadespire expansion packs in November.

I think there is a strong possibility of new plastic kits for Eldar when they release Ynnari codex. I do not expect anything for this coming release (Oct 28th) except Eldrad single. I would be fine with this too. The Guardians are fine as are the jetbikes. It's really the Aspects that need love, and they could really flesh those out when Ynnari are released. It makes sense too since Biel Tan has been splintered (the Craftworld that used to field the most Aspects) so if that is no longer a faction in the new codex, it bodes well that Ynnari will be the 'warrior" Eldar and will get the new plastic Aspects. There has to be a change to Biel Tan otherwise what was the point. I love that they moved the story forward and look forward to what comes with Ynnari later.

Mymeara traits in the codex perhaps?

Don't count on it, if the Guard codex didn't include Elysia and Krieg, or the Marine codex did Red Scorpions, then FW's stuff conehead stuff won't pop up either.

I really hope for plastic Aspects, because the Finecast ones are terrible, but not holding my breath.

 Korlandril wrote:

Mymeara traits in the codex perhaps?

Well, there's probably going to be something most people haven't heard of in it. Every codex so far has had 7 or 8 subfactions. AdMech and Marines got 7 while Chaos and Guard got 8, and one of Chaos' is a generic catch-all. Presumably the Eldar codex will have the Big 5, and maybe a generic Exiles sort of entry, but then probably one to three relative unknowns. Edit: Oh, I see, they're a FW thing like the Red Scorpions.

 ph34r wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It is disheartening to see every old codex coming out so far getting nothing. Except SM.

Nobody is getting any love. :(
I don't understand what GW is doing here.

To explain what GW is doing, previously they would release a codex and models every 6 months.

Currently they are releasing a codex every 2 weeks to get everyone up to speed in 8th edition.

It is not possible for them to release a new wave of models every 2 weeks, and it would be insane business-wise for them to do so.

I dont think its unreasonable for them to release a couple of kits for the older armies that desperately need an update.
Not on the level of Death Guard, just something.

As it stands NONE of the older armies have got anything!

So...still no normal Eldar infantry newer than ten years old and a Codex that runs on a short list of wildly broken units instead of functioning on a basic level, is it?

So what else is new?


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Dionysodorus wrote:

 Korlandril wrote:

Mymeara traits in the codex perhaps?

Well, there's probably going to be something most people haven't heard of in it. Every codex so far has had 7 or 8 subfactions. AdMech and Marines got 7 while Chaos and Guard got 8, and one of Chaos' is a generic catch-all. Presumably the Eldar codex will have the Big 5, and maybe a generic Exiles sort of entry, but then probably one to three relative unknowns. Edit: Oh, I see, they're a FW thing like the Red Scorpions.

There are five more that had blurbs and paint schemes in older Codexes, and still appear on the decal sheets (Altansar, Il-Kaithe , Iybraesil, Lugganath, Yme-Loc), too.

I wonder if Aspects as we know them are done and the Ynnari might get new Aspects ala Primaris. If all the Finecast Aspects are missing from the Codex... I'll be in my bunk(er).

Chairman Aeon wrote:
I wonder if Aspects as we know them are done and the Ynnari might get new Aspects ala Primaris. If all the Finecast Aspects are missing from the Codex... I'll be in my bunk(er).

I have recently got a fairly sizeable collection of various metal Aspect Warriors.
If they disappear from the books, I disappear from the planet.

 Korlandril wrote:

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Mymeara traits in the codex perhaps?

People have been requesting a Mymeara tutorial for some time now. With Mymeara being a Forge World creation, I would be surprised to see it show up in the new codex.

Since I play a custom Craftworld it'd be nice if they had a simple Corsairs or Pirates trait for those playing outside of the listed Craftworlds. Much like the CSM book had simple "Renegades".

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 Kanluwen wrote:

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str00dles1 wrote:
146$ USD worth. Wonder if they will keep it at 85$ or bump it to 100$ like the Daughters of Khaine AoS starter box. If its at 85 this is a super good deal. War Walkers might even been good in the new codex!

The Daughters of Khaine box wasn't a "Start Collecting".

GW's very good about the branding/image of products. No "Start Collecting" tag means it was just intended to be a bundle box.

But did you guys notice the new Start collecting! box is quite different from the others? So far, all the SC boxes have a white background, and the strip at the top/bottom has some 40K-looking texture, like the space marine one:
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The new ones (both CWE and tyrannid) have a dark background and a different top/bottom strip design. They could be changing the box art for 8th edition, or they could be moving away from the "same price for all boxes" approach. Or it could be a fake.
I suppose a change in box art is the most probable, but I still find it weird.

I asked about the SC boxes in my local store when they discontinued the Orks box on the site. It's now back but with the dark background. The guy in store said 40k is going with a dark theme and AOS is the white theme. I didn't ask what they'll do with daemons, I assume go with the AOS colours.

 ph34r wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It is disheartening to see every old codex coming out so far getting nothing. Except SM.

Nobody is getting any love. :(
I don't understand what GW is doing here.

To explain what GW is doing, previously they would release a codex and models every 6 months.

Currently they are releasing a codex every 2 weeks to get everyone up to speed in 8th edition.

It is not possible for them to release a new wave of models every 2 weeks, and it would be insane business-wise for them to do so.

That isn't even close to the old release schedule, which was close to monthly for a new army book or codex (and accompanying miniatures), with about 3 months off per year for terrain, a boxed game or December. Sometimes 4 months, in years when a new edition came splashing in.

That got messed up when fantasy died and AoS was accompanied by several months of nothing. But rushing out minor changes to the index army and largely putting a stop to miniatures is a terrible plan to 'get everyone up to speed.' The index armies needed analysis and testing, not immediately replacement. A wide range of miniatures could have and should have continued to come, as a lot of armies have giant unsupported holes in their range, plus some interesting new stuff for the new edition. Half baked books is pretty insane business wise, far more so than consistent model releases.

Craftworld eldar actually do need a pretty significant model update. The Guardians and Dire avengers are starting to show their age. I'm not saying redesign them. But a recut of the sprues, some digital clean ups and sharpening of detail etc maybe more head variety. The way the heads are placed on the sprue makes more work cleaning up flash and mold lines. Craftworld Eldar were always my favorite xeno faction and I hope someday they get a more significant touch up of their models range.

 Modock wrote:
I think focusing mostly on new armies is gakky practise. There are so many crappy finecast models in dire need of an ugrade.
They are spitting new armies out meanwhile the old ones are left in the sewer. Eldar, dark eldar, sisters and plenty of others
really need some attention. Tau has some pretty old units too. You pay premium prices for old but ugly models.
Crisis suits are 60 € and they show age really badly.


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 General Kroll wrote:

It doesn’t mean gw hate Eldar. They’ve clearly just released a bunch of new stuff for Chaos and Space Marines.

Yes, cause poor Space Marines really needed more units.

Crisis suits were actually updated in the last edition, they just stayed with the boxy design aesthetic. I don't own any of the newer ones, but from what I understand they made them much more pose-able than the original kit (which had single position arms and legs). Other than that, they have very few aged models that are still in finecast...sniper drones, vespids, and a couple of kroot models are pretty much it. Dark Eldar is one of the most recent 40K armies to get a major overhaul...in fact, save for a couple of named characters, the ENTIRE range was redesigned from the ground up and is one of the better looking almost all-plastic armies available today. Even the wracks, and humonculi, which were initially released in metal, then in finecast, got a recent plastic kit. Granted, they still have the Council models, Beasts, Incubi, Mandrakes and a couple of characters still in finecast...at least they are fairly recent sculpts.

I agree with you that Eldar need to finally get some plastic Aspect warriors, especially the Warp Spiders, which really still are a sculpt from the 90s. They have a few other models that could really use a plastic kit as well (I'm looking at you pathfinders, phoenix lords and warlocks!).

You have to understand, the cycle we've been used to for decades, where a codex comes out every 3 or 4 months along with 3 or 4 new plastic kits for that army is over...at least for now. The Primaris Marines and the Death Guard releases are the closest to that cycle as we're gonna get for a while. They are furiously trying to release every 40k codex for 8th edition as fast as they possibly can so that people can get back to the meta-changing-reaction-arms-race that people tend to do in this hobby. People are buying more tentatively because most don't know what will change when their codex finally releases. The most you are going to see is a re-boxing or two, and these re-organized start collecting boxes. Very few, if any, new releases will be showing up.

Just looking at what needs the most attention, I would predict new kits for Eldar Craftworlds and Orks sooner than later...and a major (nearing the scale of Dark Eldar) Sisters of Battle faction re-release. The Eldar Guardian kit is getting long in the tooth, as are their jetbikes, I could see a new (and substantially more expensive) Jetbike/Shining Spear kit coming when they get through this mad codex release dash. Orks need new buggies (Hello 1997!), a new wartrack/scortcha kit, tank-bustas, Kommandos, a proppa Def-Kopta kit, and a multitude of HQs and special characters. Chaos/Traitor SM need a ton of love too, the Khorne Berzerker kit is a joke, and the CSM box set and bikers are not aging well either. Then there's the Havocs, Obliteraters/Mutilators, daemon princes and pretty much all of their HQs.

Have a little patience, my Tyranids won't see new models likely either (Codex pre-order on Nov 4th, release on the 11th)...even though we're still waiting on plastic kits for Shrikes (arguable whether or not they will be in the codex since they've only ever been a forgeworld upgrade), Lictors/Deathleapers, Biovores with Sporemines, Pyrovores, and Red Terror.

Agree with you on the Space Marine bloat, but they are the biggest money maker for GW, so what are you gonna do.

Jetbikes got an update a few years back.

and at least Khorne Berzerkers can be proxied via Blood Warriors which look amazing.

Jacob29 wrote:
Jetbikes got an update a few years back.

and at least Khorne Berzerkers can be proxied via Blood Warriors which look amazing.

Hard to catch everything, they look the same to me...

And a Fantasy range proxy is poor stop-gap for a replacement of horrible old kit...for $60 GW SHOULD have done what they did for the Tzaangor kit and included a sprue of chain axe and bolt pistol arms...the fact that they didn't do this presents a shimmering ray of hope that they will get a new kit sooner than later.

 Fango wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
Jetbikes got an update a few years back.

and at least Khorne Berzerkers can be proxied via Blood Warriors which look amazing.

Hard to catch everything, they look the same to me...

Sorry, but the old jetbikes and the current jetbikes are noticably different.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Fango wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
Jetbikes got an update a few years back.

and at least Khorne Berzerkers can be proxied via Blood Warriors which look amazing.

Hard to catch everything, they look the same to me...

Sorry, but the old jetbikes and the current jetbikes are noticably different.

Ok guys, I'm wrong about the Jetbikes, they are shiney and new. Look, you get to be right I don't own any now, and have only ever owned the metal ones back in the day. I'm not sure why this is point to latch on to though. This only supports my argument that no one is really being neglected here. They are just trying to release all of the codices as quickly as possible, and it puzzles me as to why people feel some sort of bitter entitlement to new models during this book release surge.

 Fango wrote:

 Modock wrote:
I think focusing mostly on new armies is gakky practise. There are so many crappy finecast models in dire need of an ugrade.
They are spitting new armies out meanwhile the old ones are left in the sewer. Eldar, dark eldar, sisters and plenty of others
really need some attention. Tau has some pretty old units too. You pay premium prices for old but ugly models.
Crisis suits are 60 € and they show age really badly.


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 General Kroll wrote:

It doesn’t mean gw hate Eldar. They’ve clearly just released a bunch of new stuff for Chaos and Space Marines.

Yes, cause poor Space Marines really needed more units.

Crisis suits were actually updated in the last edition, they just stayed with the boxy design aesthetic. I don't own any of the newer ones, but from what I understand they made them much more pose-able than the original kit (which had single position arms and legs). Other than that, they have very few aged models that are still in finecast...sniper drones, vespids, and a couple of kroot models are pretty much it. Dark Eldar is one of the most recent 40K armies to get a major overhaul...in fact, save for a couple of named characters, the ENTIRE range was redesigned from the ground up and is one of the better looking almost all-plastic armies available today. Even the wracks, and humonculi, which were initially released in metal, then in finecast, got a recent plastic kit. Granted, they still have the Council models, Beasts, Incubi, Mandrakes and a couple of characters still in finecast...at least they are fairly recent sculpts.

The crisis suits kit was updated 2 yeas ago but they look old especially if you compare them to ghostkeel and the commander.
Stealh suits, the piranha, hammerhead are more than 12 years old. I just recently painted the piranha and stealth suits and the casts were pretty bad.
The armor on the stealth suits was molded into legs, there were no hard edges between the two parts. I had to cut quite a bit of plastic off. If I compare
these kits to something newish I can say they show age badly.

Overblown Space Marines have half the miniatures the rest have all other races combined.

Are stealthsuits that old? They certainly aren't the original design that was launched with the range. But basically anything that isn't available in plastic yet is in need of an update badly. I'd sooner focus on those than try and redo stuff that can at least function. The next would be the main line troops and basic infantry. Things like the Aspect Warriors, CSM Marines, Khorne Berserkers, Noise Marines, etc. The advantage to these kits is people who already have armies tend to still buy the mainline troops to build into their armies.

I believe the plastic Stealth Suits came out with the 6th edition codex around 2013.

 Ghaz wrote:
I believe the plastic Stealth Suits came out with the 6th edition codex around 2013.

I think the Stealth Suits came with the Medusa campaign.

All the various factions got something at that point in plastic.

The current Stealth Suit plastic came out with the 4th edition Tau Empire Codex. You can even see a stylized version on the cover. I remember that release very well, especially since my tau friend wouldn't shut up about it. It's pretty ancient now when it was released I was just out of junior high. Same goes for the Piranha, which was part of the same release (other ones included a plastic and metal Tau Commander, Commander Shadowsun, Aun'Va, the current Finecast Ethereal sculpts, sniper drones, and the Skyray Gunship).

The Tau line, at least, aged well. The Vyper (or at least the gunner) looks absolutely goofy next to contemporary guardians.

Most people are kinda miffed at the Marine releases because they pumped out so many new plastic sets for marines when they could have used those resources for factions that actually needed an update (sisters especially, since they basically only need 4 plastic sets to work. And we got waaaay more than 4 plastic sets).

No one is arguing the age of plastic kits - moreso that major infantry units either are in friggin' resin...or don't even exist. Eldar are the only army clinging to that much old stuff as necessary to build an army. While it doesn't impact me personally, it's definitely a silly way to do a business (particularly when they put effort into releasing a full Harlequin line of models --- time and space which could have gone to actually finishing the real Eldar army before going off on tangents).

To be fair, most of the harlequin models are just remade versions of the existing finecast/metal sculpts and they only got 3 real big sets.There was significantly less effort required for them. The AdMech though was basically created wholecloth and was only really saved by the fact that it's the freaking AdMechs.