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Geifer wrote: So, what else did AMG preview? And why are they making it so hard to find their marketing material?
Probably because they haven't done any marketing material for the reveals. They tend to leave those until nearer release (and a lot of the stuff shown is over a year away). In terms of what was shown:
Thank you very much!
We're finally getting Clone Wars Ahsoka? That's awesome. And plenty more cool stuff as well.
You can watch the panel on their Twitch channel right now. At some point they usually post a summary in their page for the event. Right now its just text but eventually someone gets around to adding pictures:
Geifer wrote: So, what else did AMG preview? And why are they making it so hard to find their marketing material?
Probably because they haven't done any marketing material for the reveals. They tend to leave those until nearer release (and a lot of the stuff shown is over a year away).
Geifer wrote: So, what else did AMG preview? And why are they making it so hard to find their marketing material?
Probably because they haven't done any marketing material for the reveals. They tend to leave those until nearer release (and a lot of the stuff shown is over a year away). In terms of what was shown:
Thank you very much!
We're finally getting Clone Wars Ahsoka? That's awesome. And plenty more cool stuff as well.
You can watch the panel on their Twitch channel right now. At some point they usually post a summary in their page for the event. Right now its just text but eventually someone gets around to adding pictures:
If it helps, they had some new Gungan artwork floating around during the panels (and they are very aware of the constant requests for them) so I can only imagine they'll be on there way at some point.
2024/07/24 03:38:38
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
frankelee wrote: I'm not sure Prequel toys would even be a thing without those cartoons. They are the power behind the Star Wars throne.
As one of the countless kids/teens who saw the Prequels in theatres and immediately dragged their parents to a toystore to try and wheedle a six week advance on our pocket money to buy as many as we could: hah, lol, roflma, etc. You have it entirely backwards man, the cartoon wouldn't exist if the movies hadn't been such a phenomenon - and at the time the most merchandised movies ever made, to the point it was one of the main complaints a lot of older fans had - among younger audiences who then went out and spent a fortune of their parents money on toys and merch. For all their flaws the Prequels managed to replicate the most important aspect of the OT as far as franchise longevity is concerned: it hooked a generation of kids, and the kids who grew up to be nerds haven't stopped spending.
Heck, quite a few CW fans hated the CGI series at first, either because they were Genndy fans or because Ahsoka was an annoying brat stereotype for the first while until they switched up their approach and people warmed up to her. Don't get me wrong the series did a lot of heavy lifting narratively and it definitely elevated the story of the Clones(assuming you like the chip plot) and Anakin, but I agree with the other dude; if a design exists both on-screen and in the cartoon, the screen version should be used.
EDIT: As to the model reveals, that Rebel Cell gives me SWG flashbacks - the top left guy is literally my old Rifleman hunter character, all he needs is a slightly more garishly green camo pattern on the duster and a Dewback to ride. Mad. In general I think the Rebels benefit most from hard plastic, most of the GAR and Imperial units don't seem that big an improvement although it'll be nicer material to work with for new players which is great. All the hero characters are improved though. Overall great stuff, shame it'll take two years or so to all come out.
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2024/07/24 13:06:48
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LunarSol wrote: The prequels were always for kids. Somehow it surprises us old fans that there's somehow a batch of superfans for them 20 years later.
The real victims here are inbetweeners like me who were the perfect age to see all the Special Edition theatrical releases and then the Prequels; most similar folk I've spoken to loved the Prequels but can appreciate their flaws diminish them somewhat and prefer the OT, so Prequel superfans think we're wierdos for not acknowledging it as an unparalleled masterpiece, and older OT fans think we're heretics for enjoying the "butchered" version of the movies
Or the Imperial Naval Troopers. They had a noticeable presence in all three of the OT movies-I kinda expected to see them by now.
I was momentarily excited by the Riot Trooper thing until I realised it's the guys that appear in R1 for about 30 seconds and get beaten to a pulp by an unarmoured smol lady and not the black armoured guys from Andor, who could have been easily repainted as Army.
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2024/07/24 13:15:14
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LunarSol wrote: The prequels were always for kids. Somehow it surprises us old fans that there's somehow a batch of superfans for them 20 years later.
The real victims here are inbetweeners like me who were the perfect age to see all the Special Edition theatrical releases and then the Prequels; most similar folk I've spoken to loved the Prequels but can appreciate their flaws diminish them somewhat and prefer the OT, so Prequel superfans think we're wierdos for not acknowledging it as an unparalleled masterpiece, and older OT fans think we're heretics for enjoying the "butchered" version of the movies
I probably fall into that bucket more than any. I knew the originals front and back from VHS but the Special Editions were the first time I saw them in theaters and while there's things I find off here and there, there's things I'd struggle without (the chat with Biggs almost being worth the whole thing alone).
2024/07/24 16:31:48
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
LunarSol wrote: The prequels were always for kids. Somehow it surprises us old fans that there's somehow a batch of superfans for them 20 years later.
The real victims here are inbetweeners like me who were the perfect age to see all the Special Edition theatrical releases and then the Prequels; most similar folk I've spoken to loved the Prequels but can appreciate their flaws diminish them somewhat and prefer the OT, so Prequel superfans think we're wierdos for not acknowledging it as an unparalleled masterpiece, and older OT fans think we're heretics for enjoying the "butchered" version of the movies
I probably fall into that bucket more than any. I knew the originals front and back from VHS but the Special Editions were the first time I saw them in theaters and while there's things I find off here and there, there's things I'd struggle without (the chat with Biggs almost being worth the whole thing alone).
I'd seen the VHS versions but really I was too young to appreciate them properly, so the theatrical SE releases are the version that's burned into my brain. Adywan's fanedits are well worth a look if you haven't seen them - they don't try to restore the nigh-mythical "real" OT, but they do pare back some of Lucas' more egregious excesses and even fix a few technical things the SEs missed. His RotJ rework was shaping up to be truly epic, he apparently even shot new footage to restore the cut B-Wing sequences from the Endor fleet battle, hopefully he recovers from his heart problems soon and can finish it up.
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2024/07/24 16:47:05
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
YodhrinsForge wrote: I was momentarily excited by the Riot Trooper thing until I realised it's the guys that appear in R1 for about 30 seconds and get beaten to a pulp by an unarmoured smol lady and not the black armoured guys from Andor, who could have been easily repainted as Army.
It took until this year to get Republic Commandos and they've acknowledged people have been after Gungans for a while. My theory is they know how much people want Imperial Army- I mean, 'Mud Troopers' and just want to spread the more fanservicey kits over a wider period.
2024/07/24 18:07:34
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frankelee wrote: I'm not sure Prequel toys would even be a thing without those cartoons. They are the power behind the Star Wars throne.
As one of the countless kids/teens who saw the Prequels in theatres and immediately dragged their parents to a toystore to try and wheedle a six week advance on our pocket money to buy as many as we could: hah, lol, roflma, etc. You have it entirely backwards man, the cartoon wouldn't exist if the movies hadn't been such a phenomenon - and at the time the most merchandised movies ever made, to the point it was one of the main complaints a lot of older fans had - among younger audiences who then went out and spent a fortune of their parents money on toys and merch. For all their flaws the Prequels managed to replicate the most important aspect of the OT as far as franchise longevity is concerned: it hooked a generation of kids, and the kids who grew up to be nerds haven't stopped spending.
Well I really meant the toys we're getting now, Garbage Pail Kids were a big toy phenomenon too in their time. Since I was in college when the Prequels came out, I have probably been privy to more conversations concerning the Prequels' popularity in merchandising, and as such, am aware that they're a pretty colossal flop. Or to put it in terms that any normie can understand, ten years after the prequels came out when you went on Amazon to find Star Wars tchotchkes it was all Chewie oven mitts, Darth Vader toasters, and Princess Leia shirts. The Prequels had no merchandising presence. And no, the toy market was no exception by then either. So in my mind, from what I saw, in all likelihood the fact is: no cartoons, no toys.
LunarSol wrote:The prequels were always for kids. Somehow it surprises us old fans that there's somehow a batch of superfans for them 20 years later.
Kids missed the plotting/pacing issues, the same way I did when watching Willow, and they are at the very least very inventive films. With lots of alien creatures, super powered heroes, and wars to fight. And despite not being critically well reviewed (by critics or audiences), they still had that very necessary ingredient of massive hype, adults took these movies very seriously as products, and the marketing/media presence was gigantic. I think kids responded to that very deeply, it wasn't how many stars adults gave them out of ten, it was with how much respect they treated them with, and even though they didn't give them many stars, they were a big deal. At least to a niche group of kids who can, theoretically at least, sustain a miniature wargame.
A nice round up of everything we know so far about the new edition roll out.
I wonder if the author realizes that some of us have a visceral hatred of Shick? He has had at least a finger in the trashing of warmachine and the deaths of Armada and Xwing. I just want him to move on to a different industry that I has nothing to do with my interests, like golf or event planning.
The News and Rumors section is all about surprises. I'd certainly hate it if we got 100 posts saying "I know something you don't know..." - malfred
2025/03/09 09:37:24
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
A nice round up of everything we know so far about the new edition roll out.
I wonder if the author realizes that some of us have a visceral hatred of Shick? He has had at least a finger in the trashing of warmachine and the deaths of Armada and Xwing. I just want him to move on to a different industry that I has nothing to do with my interests, like golf or event planning.
And let's be honest here, they did want to do the same with Legion... they simply couldn't
2025/03/09 14:32:51
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
Yeah the Legion relaunch feels like a very grudging "our backers won't let us kill this outright so we're going to drag our heels as much as possible" situation. Their handling of this "new edition" would be staggeringly bad and unprofessional even for a small indie, but this is the star wars license!
2025/03/10 05:55:35
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
Billicus wrote: Yeah the Legion relaunch feels like a very grudging "our backers won't let us kill this outright so we're going to drag our heels as much as possible" situation. Their handling of this "new edition" would be staggeringly bad and unprofessional even for a small indie, but this is the star wars license!
Still slightly better than the treatment x wing and armada got.
2025/03/10 08:25:00
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
Billicus wrote: Yeah the Legion relaunch feels like a very grudging "our backers won't let us kill this outright so we're going to drag our heels as much as possible" situation. Their handling of this "new edition" would be staggeringly bad and unprofessional even for a small indie, but this is the star wars license!
Genuinely curious about why someone would have this sentiment given there's clearly a significant amount of work going into the Legion refresh, regardless of individual perceptions of the quality of that work?
Announcing a new edition of the game with new branding but no firm dates or timescales or even confirmation of what products there'll be, leaving the whole game in limbo for a year with only print at home rules and not reprinting essential you its and components. Basically doing everything contractually possible to deter people from playing it
Billicus wrote: Announcing a new edition of the game with new branding but no firm dates or timescales or even confirmation of what products there'll be, leaving the whole game in limbo for a year with only print at home rules and not reprinting essential you its and components. Basically doing everything contractually possible to deter people from playing it
That and for the two years prior to the botched release of a new edition, they did almost nothing with the game. Really only released product (with tons of errors like Crit to Block on the Swoop Bike card) that was already in the pipeline from FFG, barely bothered with balance adjustments, and the stuff they DID release that were their own products were almost all entertainingly broken (Clone Commandos, Dark Troopers).
Billicus wrote: Announcing a new edition of the game with new branding but no firm dates or timescales or even confirmation of what products there'll be, leaving the whole game in limbo for a year with only print at home rules and not reprinting essential you its and components. Basically doing everything contractually possible to deter people from playing it
The lack of availability of a lot of kits has undoubtedly been an issue, though that's arguably a wider thing with Asmodee's production capacity and the logistics in the industry generally; to be honest I can appreciate that they're not going to make huge volumes of the existing stuff when it's either getting replaced by a new kit or, at the very least, re-branded with new cards etc. Some sets have also had structural changes to the product to give a more complete box in terms of what's available for the unit (Geonosians being the prime example).
Print at home for that extended period is a frustration and I imagine plenty of existing players have paused actively engaging with the game until everything came out physically. It's arguably somewhat healthier to announce it with digital versions and some scope for correction if needed (prior to print), rather than just dropping it overnight and invalidating a lot of existing content (with no recourse to do errata/alterations based on feedback).
I'd also push back on there not being firm(ish) dates and timescales. When they announced the rework, they said that there would be another round of updates in April before the print versions of all the new kit came out in June/July which appears to be what's going to happen.
Ultimately, I don't believe there's an ideal way to transition to a new edition, especially with wholesale rebranding/repackaging of every product in the range and, whilst their approach has thrown up plenty of issues and potentially dampened enthusiasm for the game in the short to medium term, I struggle to see how it speaks to a lack of desire to continue the game going forward given the sheer amount of resources that the transition itself will have necessitated; particularly in terms of reworking and replacing such a significant amount of the existing model range in (expensive to set up) hard plastic production.
2025/03/10 16:16:57
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FFG had a very specific game design style. Trying to drop it on another studio without the personnel behind that style wasn't ever going to make fans of that style happy. Honestly with how far ahead hips production has to be, I'm not sure Asmodee even wanted AMG to do anything other than fake a smile and get the stuff in the pipeline out the door. Honestly they were already treating X-Wing and Armada like that when they were still under FFG.
2025/03/11 00:55:19
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
LunarSol wrote: FFG had a very specific game design style. Trying to drop it on another studio without the personnel behind that style wasn't ever going to make fans of that style happy. Honestly with how far ahead hips production has to be, I'm not sure Asmodee even wanted AMG to do anything other than fake a smile and get the stuff in the pipeline out the door. Honestly they were already treating X-Wing and Armada like that when they were still under FFG.
I honestly wish they had given it to CMON. While they have their issues, they at least know how to run a full-bore wargame. All AMG had done was crisis protocol and it shows IMO.
2025/03/11 02:05:06
Subject: Star Wars Legion News - Ministravaganza reveals. p.59.
LunarSol wrote: FFG had a very specific game design style. Trying to drop it on another studio without the personnel behind that style wasn't ever going to make fans of that style happy. Honestly with how far ahead hips production has to be, I'm not sure Asmodee even wanted AMG to do anything other than fake a smile and get the stuff in the pipeline out the door. Honestly they were already treating X-Wing and Armada like that when they were still under FFG.
I honestly wish they had given it to CMON. While they have their issues, they at least know how to run a full-bore wargame. All AMG had done was crisis protocol and it shows IMO.
I can't laugh any harder at this.
CMON knows how to run a full-bore wargame? That's news to anyone who actually plays one of their games.
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