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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Goliaths tho

Woah. Scale leap, not creep!

yeah, Goliaths are nearly primaris size because of their new lore, but normal gangers like Escher are normal human size.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Right, let me clear something up.

Arbites - no.

Enforcers - yes.

Arbites are the Feds, they arrest planetary nobles, attack entire guilds that rebel, close down orbital stations for investigation.

Enforcers bring the law downstairs in the Hives to arrest transgressors against those upstairs, those who've raided shipments, smuggled without paying off the correct corrupt officials.



Enforcers WILL be in this edition of Necromunda. People asking and getting a 'no' are asking about Arbites...

Source?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Goliaths tho

Damn those are huge. They are like the size of Ogryn. Makes sense though considering the labor they do.

 Galas wrote:
yeah, Goliaths are nearly primaris size because of their new lore, but normal gangers like Escher are normal human size.

I'm really hoping so. I'd like to pick up some Orlock/escher if they are the same size as normal guardsmen.

Orlocks will be “normal human” size - if you check the previews you’ll find at least one comparison with both Goliaths and Escher in the same picture. One thing to note specifically is that the Orlocks are on 25mm bases like the Escher rather than the 32mm ones the Goliaths use.

Regarding the rules, throwing out a bit of speculation here...

Blood Bowl sees the "Almanac" go up for preorder on December 2nd. It combines the rules from both season books.

Might it be planned that after the books are released they'll do similar?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Regarding the rules, throwing out a bit of speculation here...

Blood Bowl sees the "Almanac" go up for preorder on December 2nd. It combines the rules from both season books.

Might it be planned that after the books are released they'll do similar?

I would think so. It seems like a nice and neat way to reprint and fix any errors as well as get another buck out of it.

May be good for a community to have one or two people buy the books pertinent to themselves and share the general rules until the almanacs/big books come out.

 Commissar Benny wrote:
They are like the size of Ogryn.

Ogryn size? Nope.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Regarding the rules, throwing out a bit of speculation here...

Blood Bowl sees the "Almanac" go up for preorder on December 2nd. It combines the rules from both season books.

Might it be planned that after the books are released they'll do similar?

Probably. Thats why I said that I'm gonna wait for the "Ultimate Necromunda" edition with all the gang wars books together with the core rules

you could always use the old metal Goliaths as juves...if juves was a thing anymore which they arn't...so nevermind.

 Galas wrote:


Probably. Thats why I said that I'm gonna wait for the "Ultimate Necromunda" edition with all the gang wars books together with the core rules

You mean the rulebook that should have been in the 'starter'?

Can anyone recommend any links with comprehensive reviews of the game itself? Just curious -

Gamingdog wrote:
you could always use the old metal Goliaths as juves...if juves was a thing anymore which they arn't...so nevermind.

Missed the fact that juve's still exist a whiiile back didn't you?

Gamingdog wrote:
you could always use the old metal Goliaths as juves...if juves was a thing anymore which they arn't...so nevermind.

But they are still a thing.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Galas wrote:


Probably. Thats why I said that I'm gonna wait for the "Ultimate Necromunda" edition with all the gang wars books together with the core rules

You mean the rulebook that should have been in the 'starter'?

Yes, that rulebook. Thats why I'm not buying the starter.

It's almost like the starter set is to get you.... you know... started.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Gamingdog wrote:
you could always use the old metal Goliaths as juves...if juves was a thing anymore which they arn't...so nevermind.

Missed the fact that juve's still exist a whiiile back didn't you?

Yeah, they're still around... But apparently putting rules in the starter for things that aren't in the starter causes confusion...

I don't know how we all managed to live through 2nd edition.

"Ok, My marine squad is shooting at those gretchin..."
"Wait! Wait! Does this have something to do with Squats? Or Gravguns? Or Squats with Gravguns?"

just received my order. Game looks excellent. Gang wars is a bit expensive for the rules and pages in it (it really should have been on the main book, but by now, there no more point in complaining about it). The campaign rules are not more shallow than the old ones, and might be even better. Really like the tactic cards. They had a layer of tactical play.

Bring on the new gangs and expansions, can't wait to start a campaign

Dread Master wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Right, let me clear something up.

Arbites - no.

Enforcers - yes.

Arbites are the Feds, they arrest planetary nobles, attack entire guilds that rebel, close down orbital stations for investigation.

Enforcers bring the law downstairs in the Hives to arrest transgressors against those upstairs, those who've raided shipments, smuggled without paying off the correct corrupt officials.



Enforcers WILL be in this edition of Necromunda. People asking and getting a 'no' are asking about Arbites...

Source?

I asked Andy Hoare at Open Day. Having played the RPGs from FFG where Arbites were so fleshed out and knowing Andy Hoare wrote so much for those games, I asked him to really sum up the differences and then second about Enforcers appearing in Necromunda. He categorically stated 'Enforcers' would be in, congratulated me on understanding the difference and then let me know how many people had been asking him about Arbites...

Enforcers serve the ruling House on Necromunda and keep the laws both Imperial and local to planet and hive, the Arbites are a terrifying Imperium wide law enforcement body that answers to the Imperial Law alone.

If I'm understanding correctly, juves can never be equiped with anytghing else than pistols and cc weapons no matter how much xp they gain?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I asked Andy Hoare at Open Day. Having played the RPGs from FFG where Arbites were so fleshed out and knowing Andy Hoare wrote so much for those games, I asked him to really sum up the differences and then second about Enforcers appearing in Necromunda. He categorically stated 'Enforcers' would be in, congratulated me on understanding the difference and then let me know how many people had been asking him about Arbites...

Enforcers serve the ruling House on Necromunda and keep the laws both Imperial and local to planet and hive, the Arbites are a terrifying Imperium wide law enforcement body that answers to the Imperial Law alone.

Maybe he should have stated the difference and said that Enforcers would be in instead of griping about people not knowing the difference...?


Good that Enforcers at least will be in, I guess.

Edit note:
That's not meant to be as combative as it might seem. I don't understand why he would gripe about the fact that people have been asking him about Arbites. The Enforcers were literally called "Arbites Enforcer Teams" on the boxes that I have from mail-order.

Got my box today and looks good.

The books remind me of the old Wild West games GW did - they look lovely - maybe a bit thin on the Gang War side and the options are annoyingly small - eg no swords for Escher even though they give stats for stilleto swords.

I will say that the artwork within is really lovely - I can;t see who did it but they have done a fantastic job.

The art is lovely, but a pic depicting the various parts of hive primus (like in the old rulebook) is a glaring omission

 Mr Morden wrote:
- eg no swords for Escher even though they give stats for stilleto swords.

Bwuh? Gang War p.51 House Escher Equipment List, close combat weapons “Stiletto sword … 35 credits”

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I asked Andy Hoare at Open Day. Having played the RPGs from FFG where Arbites were so fleshed out and knowing Andy Hoare wrote so much for those games, I asked him to really sum up the differences and then second about Enforcers appearing in Necromunda. He categorically stated 'Enforcers' would be in, congratulated me on understanding the difference and then let me know how many people had been asking him about Arbites...

Enforcers serve the ruling House on Necromunda and keep the laws both Imperial and local to planet and hive, the Arbites are a terrifying Imperium wide law enforcement body that answers to the Imperial Law alone.

Maybe he should have stated the difference and said that Enforcers would be in instead of griping about people not knowing the difference...?


Good that Enforcers at least will be in, I guess.

Edit note:
That's not meant to be as combative as it might seem. I don't understand why he would gripe about the fact that people have been asking him about Arbites. The Enforcers were literally called "Arbites Enforcer Teams" on the boxes that I have from mail-order.

See that part where I wrote about him griping? No because it isn't there. He was grinning the whole time. Wasn't meant to be an arsehole move nor was he being a jerk at the time.

He was just asked if Arbites were going in the game and said no, because there were no Arbites going into the game... I just asked the right question. Was all done in a lighthearted spirit.

Chillax.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Right, let me clear something up.

Arbites - no.

Enforcers - yes.

Arbites are the Feds, they arrest planetary nobles, attack entire guilds that rebel, close down orbital stations for investigation.

Enforcers bring the law downstairs in the Hives to arrest transgressors against those upstairs, those who've raided shipments, smuggled without paying off the correct corrupt officials.



Enforcers WILL be in this edition of Necromunda. People asking and getting a 'no' are asking about Arbites...

Source?

I asked Andy Hoare at Open Day. Having played the RPGs from FFG where Arbites were so fleshed out and knowing Andy Hoare wrote so much for those games, I asked him to really sum up the differences and then second about Enforcers appearing in Necromunda. He categorically stated 'Enforcers' would be in, congratulated me on understanding the difference and then let me know how many people had been asking him about Arbites...

Enforcers serve the ruling House on Necromunda and keep the laws both Imperial and local to planet and hive, the Arbites are a terrifying Imperium wide law enforcement body that answers to the Imperial Law alone.

Well tbh if a lot of people are asking about Arbites there's really nobody to blame but GW, who made "Enforcer" models that looked basically like Arbites, then sold them as "Arbites Enforcer Teams" for years from their webstore. Hardcore fluffnuts like you or I might read every scrap of info on the setting and know the difference, but expecting Joe Gamer to grasp that nuance given the previous is unrealistic.

 streetsamurai wrote:
If I'm understanding correctly, juves can never be equiped with anytghing else than pistols and cc weapons no matter how much xp they gain?

Gang War, page 27. In between Turf Wars, Juves with 5+ Advancements are promoted to Champions.

Yes, the books are a disjointed mess.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Well tbh if a lot of people are asking about Arbites there's really nobody to blame but GW, who made "Enforcer" models that looked basically like Arbites, then sold them as "Arbites Enforcer Teams" for years from their webstore. Hardcore fluffnuts like you or I might read every scrap of info on the setting and know the difference, but expecting Joe Gamer to grasp that nuance given the previous is unrealistic.

Given that the questions and answers occurred at an Open Day, would you expect Joe Gamer to have paid for the ticket, traveled there and asked that?

Because if you've ever stood and listened to the questions some of the poor buggers get asked, especially the damned souls of the Black Library, on insane levels of minutia, this is hardly a thing... and as I said, he was just joshing with people asking about Arbites. It wasn't a serious thing and I'm sort of perplexed by people getting their knickers in a twist about it tbh. It was a light hearted bit of sport.

But, to return you to your usual programming and actually get back to the point I was making.

I spoke with the manager of Specialist Games, who confirmed that Enforcers would be a playable faction for Necromunda, along with 'a whole host of other ideas I've been mulling over'. He seemed very much for inclusion and against exclusion, with regards the weird and wonderful and shadowy corners of the 40k universe and old ideas and concepts.

Which would be amazing as I'd love an all zoat gang!!

 streetsamurai wrote:
If I'm understanding correctly, juves can never be equiped with anytghing else than pistols and cc weapons no matter how much xp they gain?

They become Champions at the end of a campaign if they have over 5XP. Then can be equipped like champions

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
- eg no swords for Escher even though they give stats for stilleto swords.

Bwuh? Gang War p.51 House Escher Equipment List, close combat weapons “Stiletto sword … 35 credits”

Thanks - I am getting blind in my old age