Switch Theme:

Necromunda Underhive - House of Chains Pg272  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in no
Longtime Dakkanaut





I can't be offended by design of miniatures.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 12:29:26


 
   
Made in fi
Courageous Space Marine Captain






You can easily make Ratskins without explicit Native American references. Directly porting existing real world cultures into a setting that exists tens of thousands of years in the future is pretty silly and tired anyway.

Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane. 
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka




UK

I'd remind people that they still make western films - not as many as in the heyday, but they are still made. Plus the whole native american aesthetic can be basically transcribed to any "lives off the land nomadic people" the world over. From America to the Mongols you see very similar patterns that, boiled down and used as a base for a fantasy race, work well.

Plus the whole concept of primitive religious tribespeople living in a wasteland urban environment is pretty well established as a trope of its own.

A Blog in Miniature - now featuring reviews of many new Black Library books (latest Novellas) 
   
Made in fi
Courageous Space Marine Captain






 Overread wrote:

Plus the whole concept of primitive religious tribespeople living in a wasteland urban environment is pretty well established as a trope of its own.

Sure. But I can see how making the only explicitly non-European inspired gang to be the 'savages' might have some unfortunate implications...

Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane. 
   
Made in gb
Princeps of the Emperor's Titan!






Is this also not people clutching at thoroughly imagined pearls?

Not seen any objection to the original Ratskins from any quarter.

Ditch certain design styles from House Cawdor is an entirely different matter. That style of hat carries clear connotations. And sad little edge lords will no doubt paint it in a certain colour to, uhh, shall we say 'excite the comment of their peers'.

Can't see any company welcoming that sort of heat, so it was ditched. Especially as it wasn't exactly iconic of House Cawdor.

Indeed, it was more of a Redemption Crusade look, and even then not especially predominant. Only the Preacher and Deacons having the conical hood.

That's it. So again, much imagine pearl clutching go on about a non-issue, as that style of hood was never a Cawdor thing.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives?Why not join us?

 
   
Made in gb
Novice Knight Errant Pilot





Removed - BrookM

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:26:48


 
   
Made in gb
Princeps of the Emperor's Titan!






Removed - BrookM

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:26:57


Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives?Why not join us?

 
   
Made in gb
Novice Knight Errant Pilot





Removed - BrookM

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:27:03


 
   
Made in gb
Princeps of the Emperor's Titan!






Removed - BrookM

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:27:10


Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives?Why not join us?

 
   
Made in au
Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests






Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

Removed - BrookM

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:27:19


   
Made in gb
Novice Knight Errant Pilot





Removed - BrookM

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:27:29


 
   
Made in gb
Princeps of the Emperor's Titan!






Can you imagine why a certain style of clothing, with all it's serious connotations might've been swapped out?

Especially when it's not featured on any other model in it's house range?

The imaginary pearls being clutched here is the erroneous idea GW are somehow sanitising a line, when in fact the thing replaced was never part of the line in the first place.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives?Why not join us?

 
   
Made in ru
Regular Dakkanaut




 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Or, as normal people call it, racist.
That would require intent. Ratskins were a pastiche of Native American culture through the lens of an Imperial Hive same as Catachans are of Vietnam GIs, or Valhallans of WWII Russians, and so on.



I’m not sure how much on topic that is, but as it is about a possible release of a gang in Necromunda, I’d wager it’s fine. And I agree with you. As a russian I don’t see valhallans as a caricature of my people with an intent to mock them, as all sane people wouldn’t. And it’s a fictional universe- anything goes. Next thing we know Tomb Kings are racist. Anything that resembles any one or more cultures is racist. Well, Warhammer isn’t a place for you folks, who see the world that way, then, as it is a mishmash of a billion influences of history and other fiction. And all fiction is at least loosely based on some culture.
I hope redemptionists make a return. But those sketches of “chains” and “dust” gangs look terrific, can’t wait for these gangs to get a release.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Crimson wrote:
You can easily make Ratskins without explicit Native American references. Directly porting existing real world cultures into a setting that exists tens of thousands of years in the future is pretty silly and tired anyway.

But they would look cool though. Malifaux has some Native American and Indian references in their minis, and they are amazing. No one seemed to mind them there.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2020/01/30 13:16:58


 
   
Made in fi
Courageous Space Marine Captain






JWBS wrote:

The other, numerous, negative traits that are integral to the light-skinned guys are pretty cool though aren't they?

Yes, as white people have not traditionally been discriminated against based on such traits.

Now I don't actually find the old school Ratskins to be super problematic, certainly not on the same level than the KKK hat. But then again, I'm not a Native American. And I actually agree that 'cultural appropriation' accusations are something that sometmes gets out of hand. Not all depiction or inspiration by a real culture is cultural appropriation. But it is certainly a good thing to be mindful about what sort of connotations and stereotypes your depiction of a real culture evokes.


It's an easy and effective way of signalling your virtuosity to strangers.

I mean this 'virtue signalling' was started by a person preemptively complaining about a 'wokeness' inspired change that has not even happened...

Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane. 
   
Made in au
Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests






Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

Except it has...

   
Made in gb
Princeps of the Emperor's Titan!






Removing an unnecessary design element seen nowhere else in the range due to very serious negative connotations is not 'wokeness'.

And there is nothing beyond speculation from those seeking something they can claim others are offended by so they can in turn by offended, that Ratskins are being dropped or massively redesigned.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives?Why not join us?

 
   
Made in gb
Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps





UK

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except it has...


RIP



I fear for the redemtpionists...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:02:16


 
   
Made in no
Longtime Dakkanaut





I haven't found any miniature ever to be problematic.
   
Made in us
Skilled SDF-1 Pin-Point Barrier Jockey






Baxx wrote:
I can't be offended by design of miniatures.


You may not, but a lot of people apparently can. And does.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Not a fan of GW's fetish to release countless supplements each year which typically add very little (see also: Psychic Awakening). It was already hard to justify buying any because of the absolute mess they are in terms of proofreading and planning, and even more so if their content has a lifespan of about a year.
Necromunda gets four supplements a year, and since they moved away from Gang War, nothing has become obsolete. I have no problem justifying 4 books a year, especially since reducing my GW games down to only Necromunda and Warcry.

JustALittleOrkish wrote:There certainly won't be any Ratskins exactly like they used to be.
They’ve already released one ratskin model. Well, half ratskin.

It’s likely GW will shy away from the old design (like they shied away from some classic Sisters of Battle designs), but it is worth remembering that ratskin s are not native Americans. They are a primitive culture that exists in a fictitious sci-fi universe that has probably never heard of the indigenous cultures one of billions of planets, some 40,000 years prior.
   
Made in nl
[MOD]
Indomitable Hellrider of Glorious Renown






Cozy cockpit of an Imperial Knight

Locking this one and rebooting it. Warnings have also been issued, people who feel the need to continue this despite being warned will receive a suspension.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/01/30 14:29:31


Dakka's code of conduct a.k.a. the forum rules

Be ash and cinder forevermore!


DakkaDakka | Where you thank the mods for baning you! 
   
 
Forum Index » News & Rumors
Go to: