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If you have triumvate of ynead you are playing ynari and not craftworlds.

That's actually interesting, thank you.
But that's only if I put them in the list, correct?
I could just play the rest without them?

Hrothgarmr wrote:

If you have triumvate of ynead you are playing ynari and not craftworlds.

That's actually interesting, thank you.
But that's only if I put them in the list, correct?
I could just play the rest without them?

Sure, you can even have both in different detachments.

Perfect army for beer and pretzel games. Multiple different units which is what makes those style of games fun. You can run Craftworlds or ynnari depending on how you build the list. Have fun!

Cpt. Icanus wrote:
Oh please stop. 4chan is good for a chuckle and that's it.
Actually the first post of a threat like this could contain such a rundown, but our op here merely wanted to generqte traffic for his own site, which died two weeks in or so. No i'm not bitter.

So where do you recommend that I search? I found the 1d4 chan interesting but not quite what I was looking for. I was looking for something a little more tactics oriented with some synergy ideas.

I couldn't tell you a good source off the top of my head for an overview. Any good source will be outdated within half a year due to big FAQ and Ca, whilst the larger tournament meta revolves along. That's before we factor in local environment and personal taste.
I'd recommend following several sources and comparing opinions, there's tons of podcasts and youtubers to pick from. Once you have a rough understanding pick what interests you and then hit forums to ask for advice to build around what you like. Reflect and see what works, then work from there, maybe reiterate as a whole.

Youtube battle reports are great learning tools.
Tabletop tactics and strikingscorpion82 are my personal favourites.

Honestly your best bet is to read your codex. Then when you think you fine something post it here.

 Argive wrote:
Youtube battle reports are great learning tools.
Tabletop tactics and strikingscorpion82 are my personal favourites.

it all depends on how competitive you want to be, defines who you watch.

I don’t really have anything against Strikingscorpion, but, I feel that his understanding of the game and army synergies is based more on his own mini-meta rather than the wider competitive experience. His codex reviews are generally pretty thorough though, which is good. His batreps are however aimed at a completely different audience.

The Tabletop Tactics guys generally work with armies and build them up towards their “tactica” level for a game or 2, which gives a good amount of insight into their take on super (not always hyper) efficient lists for a given army. They often hit on some of the key points to take note on in their reviews, but, often their reviews are tied into the game and models they are playing for the following showcase batrep. They also dive deeper into the "why's" than most others do.

Whatever you do though, steer well clear of Warhammer TV for all advice in regards to how to build and play your army. Occasionally there will be little nuggets of info that can be applied to the competitive game, but, generally it’s things like “An Outrider detachment of 8 Landspeeders is good!” kind of thing.



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Headlss wrote:
Honestly your best bet is to read your codex. Then when you think you fine something post it here.

This too!

Sure, you'll get the standard Dakka comments of "that's bad, use xyz list from abc event instead", but that's mainly because people can't think for themselves anymore and don't pick up on how to make things work.

Hrothgarmr wrote:
Hey.

I'm 100% new to the Craftworlds, so I wanted to ask you guys if these units are alright to start out with.
Got them off of Ebay for a good price and will only play regular beer and pretzel games, so it doesn't have to be super competitive.

3 Serpents
1 Wraithlord
10 Wraithguards
1 Wraithknight
4 war walkers
12 swooping hawks
20 dire avengers
5 rangers
20 guardians

1 Irillyth
1 Avatar
1 Autarch with wings
1 Farseer
3 Warlocks
1 Spiritseer
Ynnari Triumvirate of Ynnead
1Hemlock Wraithfighter

That should be enough to build some fun lists, without being completely murdered, right?
Like I said, I don't want to win tournaments, but build some lists that both players can have fun with.
Mostly play against Nurgle/Khorne deamons and Death Guard and played Grey Knights and Custodes before.

Nice collection to pull lists from. One thing to check would be to make sure you have a good mix of firepower. Some anti tank, some horde sweeping. Psychic shenanigans are your friend, and one of the strengths of the army. Doom something and watch it melt away.

You have 3 serpents, which is a good number for this size. I’d fill two with troops, and stick some wraithguard in the last one. The rangers make your third troop choice, so don’t need a ride. Alternitively, you can use that 20 man blob of guardians with the deep strike strat, and free up a WS for the other 5 WG.

HQs are to taste really. You want the farseer, sticking the spiritseer with the wraiths is never a bad plan, and the autarch gives out some nice re-rolls.

Depending on the details and upgrades, that should be a bit over 1k, and make a solid core of a fluffy mechanized eldar list. You have massed cat fire from the troops for hordes, the WG and (probably) some brightlances on the tanks for AV work. Lots of mobility, and a few tricks from the HQs.

What to add to go to 1,500, 2k or whatever is up to taste.

Hemlocks are one of our better units. Swooping hawks are not bad. War walkers are decent heavy weapon platforms. Honestly, everything is playable at the friendly level. If you want to take something that is panned as garbage and unplayable, odd are that’s just the top table tournament crowd talking. If you like it, go with it. You might need to tighten up the rest of your list a bit to compensate. But you should be able to find the pulse of your local meta and play to that level. If everyone is putting units down that they like, with less stress on efficiency, then the sky is the limit.

Kdash wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Youtube battle reports are great learning tools.
Tabletop tactics and strikingscorpion82 are my personal favourites.

it all depends on how competitive you want to be, defines who you watch.

I don’t really have anything against Strikingscorpion, but, I feel that his understanding of the game and army synergies is based more on his own mini-meta rather than the wider competitive experience. His codex reviews are generally pretty thorough though, which is good. His batreps are however aimed at a completely different audience.

The Tabletop Tactics guys generally work with armies and build them up towards their “tactica” level for a game or 2, which gives a good amount of insight into their take on super (not always hyper) efficient lists for a given army. They often hit on some of the key points to take note on in their reviews, but, often their reviews are tied into the game and models they are playing for the following showcase batrep. They also dive deeper into the "why's" than most others do.

Whatever you do though, steer well clear of Warhammer TV for all advice in regards to how to build and play your army. Occasionally there will be little nuggets of info that can be applied to the competitive game, but, generally it’s things like “An Outrider detachment of 8 Landspeeders is good!” kind of thing.



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Headlss wrote:
Honestly your best bet is to read your codex. Then when you think you fine something post it here.

This too!

Sure, you'll get the standard Dakka comments of "that's bad, use xyz list from abc event instead", but that's mainly because people can't think for themselves anymore and don't pick up on how to make things work.

I agree with your points. TT analysis post battle report and reviews are indeed on point. Their bat reps are usualy less on the side of bleeding edge killer lists and more toned down for fun lists. Plus its entertainment so Ima big fan.
I suppose what I was trying to say is that you can see units in action and how they are used/perforom in battle reports. Which is next best thing to testing out for yourself. As you watch you will start realising how units are used ad that if you were playing the game you'd do things differently perhaps.

Bottom line is no substitute for exepriance.

Thanks dakkites. I'm not usually a fan of battle reports but I may give TT a try. Are there any specific battles that you recommend?

Their BR are for ulthwe craftworlds. Just check their youtube.
I like watching all fo them to get a handle on how other armies work.

Btw does anyone have a fun list that incorporates as many phoenix lords as possible? 1750pts

I've come up with 2 containing asurmen and jain zair... You would have to be liberal with the term 'good' to describe it though
Will post it later..

How is asurmen 175pt with no path of command. In fact why do none of them have path of command or invuln saves (apart form asurmen)

So what units are you guys finding that are a thorn in your army?

Hive Guard are still a pain, but not impossible.

Thinking about making a tripple elf bike list. If I do can I use lighting reflexes 3 times in a round? Once on the Fun elfs, once on the No fun elfs and once on the clown elfs?

What about the web way one?

Extra artifacts?

You can only use strategies once per round.

Yeah each strat once per round. you can use other strats same round though.

Right. I need someone with 2 or 3 books to answer this one. The 3 elf books each have escentially the same strategem. Lighting reflexes. -1 to hit for the rest of the phase. My question is are they named slightly different things so you can use each version once (each version only effects their specific kind of elf)?

Are they named exaclty the samething?

Same question about the web way deep strike strategem.

Headlss wrote:
Right. I need someone with 2 or 3 books to answer this one. The 3 elf books each have escentially the same strategem. Lighting reflexes. -1 to hit for the rest of the phase. My question is are they named slightly different things so you can use each version once (each version only effects their specific kind of elf)?

Are they named exaclty the samething?

Same question about the web way deep strike strategem.

Lightning-fast Reactions seems to be the wording in all 3, but interestingly, the Webway Stratagem is WW Strike, WW Assault or WW Portal, respectively

So you can Webway 3 times, but only LFR once

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Also it’s interesting to note you can actually deepstrike 4 units in harlequins. Mind you it’ll cost you 6 cp. or 2 units for 2 cp

LFR maybe has the same name. ….. but are all 3 worded exactly the same or are there variations in the language...other than the 'flavor text'??

Can someone tell me if the weapon sprues for the wave serpent can fit on war walkers? Since it looks like each war walker only comes with 1 of each of the weapon options I'm trying to figure out how to arm them with double weapons. Also since the base model is supposed to be armed with 2 Shuriken cannons does the model come with those or are they only 1 per model kit?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone tell me if the weapon sprues for the wave serpent can fit on war walkers? Since it looks like each war walker only comes with 1 of each of the weapon options I'm trying to figure out how to arm them with double weapons. Also since the base model is supposed to be armed with 2 Shuriken cannons does the model come with those or are they only 1 per model kit?

they can with slight modding. The weapons for WS attach at the sides where with WW they attach at the bottom. So they have a slight variance in the weapon model itself. But its a simple mod to make them work. Especially if you are going to magnetize .

 admironheart wrote:
LFR maybe has the same name. ….. but are all 3 worded exactly the same or are there variations in the language...other than the 'flavor text'??

Yes all 3 are. It’s not possible to use 3 times, at all.

 admironheart wrote:
LFR maybe has the same name. ….. but are all 3 worded exactly the same or are there variations in the language...other than the 'flavor text'??

They all have at least one major variation in tbe wording. They can only be used on specific units in their own codex.

 Marius Xerxes wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone tell me if the weapon sprues for the wave serpent can fit on war walkers? Since it looks like each war walker only comes with 1 of each of the weapon options I'm trying to figure out how to arm them with double weapons. Also since the base model is supposed to be armed with 2 Shuriken cannons does the model come with those or are they only 1 per model kit?

they can with slight modding. The weapons for WS attach at the sides where with WW they attach at the bottom. So they have a slight variance in the weapon model itself. But its a simple mod to make them work. Especially if you are going to magnetize .

Thanks for the info. What about getting the weapons from a vyper sprue? Are there any other models that come with weapon sprues that the walker can use?

War walkers share heavy weapons with guardians platforms and wraithlords.

Falcon and vypers still use the old heavy weapons mounts

 admironheart wrote:
LFR maybe has the same name. ….. but are all 3 worded exactly the same or are there variations in the language...other than the 'flavor text'??

Keep in mind it's the name that matters. Same name, different text for rules=same strategem, only one can be used. Different name, same rules=different strategems, both can be used.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Thanks for the info. What about getting the weapons from a vyper sprue? Are there any other models that come with weapon sprues that the walker can use?

War walkers, Guardian Squad Platforms and Wraithlords share the same mounts. Flat thin bottom.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Guardian-Squad-2017

Falcons, Serpents and Vypers share the other Type. They have a ring at the bottom.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eldar-Vyper-Squadron

You can follow the links to those units and see the sprues that show the differences between the weapon mounts.

Crimson Hunter Exarch... Starcannons or Bright Lances?

Thanks

SG

Brightlances unless you are really really tight on points.