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Shadow Weavers are great back field holders and deepstrike blockers. They have the range, don't need los and their gun is good enough to clear screens or plink away the occasional wound on something bigger (moreso with doomand rolling 6s). They're a staple in my lists these days.
I didn't run vibros since the point drop as they don't fill a role in my army that isn't otherwise covered and i rate weavers more highly most of the time. Same goes for d-cannons, i can't make myself spend the points. While the gun is amazing, the range will likely make you move, which will likely make you miss, which will likely make me not like the unit

I like the d cannon on a wraithseer incomparable hunter, on the support platforms they can be great or they can be a real pain to use effectively.
If you've got big things coming at you, perfect, if they're trying to stay away, it's tough to get shots where you want them.
It's just a range problem, give them 36" and they'd be an auto include.
Night spinner Vs weavers is a toss up for me, spinners are faster and tougher, weavers are cheaper so can cover more ground, both are decent options.
Not tried the vibros yet, but I think they will always be decent but could be amazing against things like genestealers that need that advance, only caveat being that you need at least three of them to get the most out of them.

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Speaking of Platforms what is everyone's thoughts on the 3 guns it has available?

I'm VERY tempted to run 3 with web spinners as its 3D6 str 6 shots with good potential rending, comes out fractionally cheaper than the Night Spinner whilst being tougher by virtue of being 3 separate targets. The reduced point of str and D1 instead of D2 is only a good thing in my view as it'll mainly be after the chaff units where D2 was overkill!

D-cannons seem great but accordingly expensive, and Vibro cannons... confuse me. I wish they coud ignore LoS or at least be assault.

I run 6 shadow weavers and I really like them. In ITC it's great way of cleaning out infantry out of buildings. They are great at zoning out your backfield making it hard for you enemy to deep strike. They are also very effective against lite transports like venoms and starweavers. They are surprisingly durable.

Ran 3 shadow weavers at LVO earleir this year and they were outstanding. Often they plinked the last wound of a tough vehicle, so that I didn't have to waste firepower to finish it off. I played around with the idea of spinners, but ended up just making them prisms instead.
I am going to order the vibrocannons though, i just love the concept and need the extra D-Cannons for my Ynnari wraithseers.

Speculation question: The Space marine Raven guard tactic (which was basically Alaitoc before) will soon be change to the following:
Units with this trait gains the benefit of Cover against attacks outside 12". In addition, NON-Vehicle units that are actually in cover are -1 to be hit. (paraphrased)

I think this is a decent change as it makes the -1 to be hit bonus more contingent on being in cover and therefore less passive. I also think it's safe to assume that Alpha Legion and Alaitoc will be FAQ'd to something very similar.
If so, how would this affect CWE?

Flyers could no longer get the additional -1 (unless you use strats) is the big difference I can see, but interestingly, WKs would get the cover bonus and the -1 if in cover. In fact, if the wording on the trait is the same as RG, it wouldn't matter if the WK was 50% obscured because the RG trait just say "entirely in or wholly on a terrain feature" to gain the -1
I don't actually see Hemlock suffering from this as they would often need to be within 12" to be most effective, but they would get +1 armour for cove with this change

Thoughts?

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At least we can propose lists that don't use alaitoc without being laughed at!
I think I'd be happy to see the change, it might keep our fliers from being nerfed and reduce the spam. They'd still be good without being cheesy.
Might make dakkaa wraithlords a decent option, especially as counters to melee threatened gunlines. Alaitoc reapers would be good options too.

 Galef wrote:
Speculation question: The Space marine Raven guard tactic (which was basically Alaitoc before) will soon be change to the following:
Units with this trait gains the benefit of Cover against attacks outside 12". In addition, NON-Vehicle units that are actually in cover are -1 to be hit. (paraphrased)

I think this is a decent change as it makes the -1 to be hit bonus more contingent on being in cover and therefore less passive. I also think it's safe to assume that Alpha Legion and Alaitoc will be FAQ'd to something very similar.
If so, how would this affect CWE?

Flyers could no longer get the additional -1 (unless you use strats) is the big difference I can see, but interestingly, WKs would get the cover bonus and the -1 if in cover. In fact, if the wording on the trait is the same as RG, it wouldn't matter if the WK was 50% obscured because the RG trait just say "entirely in or wholly on a terrain feature" to gain the -1
I don't actually see Hemlock suffering from this as they would often need to be within 12" to be most effective, but they would get +1 armour for cove with this change

Thoughts?

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Almost certainly they'll get "Non-VEHICLE and non-MONSTER" units, not just non-VEHICLE. Since SM have no MONSTER units (outside of GMan, who's NOT Ravenguard).

Since the avatar is our only monster it's not too much of an issue.

kingheff wrote:
Since the avatar is our only monster it's not too much of an issue.

Coulda sworn the Wraith-Nouns were Monsters, except the Guard.

 JNAProductions wrote:

kingheff wrote:
Since the avatar is our only monster it's not too much of an issue.

Coulda sworn the Wraith-Nouns were Monsters, except the Guard.

Yes they are the new *raven guard* rule quickly boost our monsters if they aren't rewrited out, since now it requires just to be *within* terrain so all we need it's keep the models bases touching the terrain elements to get maximum advantage.

Also worth to notice war walkers, vypers, vaul's wrath would lose the bonus.

I think the IH tactics would be a good replacement for Iyanden…
But apart from that I think we need some point drops rather than rule nerfs, I mean changes.

Looked at all of it and the new toys and felt pretty jealous. *sigh*

Points drops doesn't solve the issue because points drops would be across the board.

I like the new rule tweak and if Alaitoc got that rule I'd be quite happy with it not being an auto-take anymore. -1 across the board is just too powerful.

Hi all!

I wonder what people think abut the Crimson Hunter for competitive play.

Is he worth?

Speically in alist, were 3 CHE already present.

 JNAProductions wrote:

kingheff wrote:
Since the avatar is our only monster it's not too much of an issue.

Coulda sworn the Wraith-Nouns were Monsters, except the Guard.

The Wraithlord is. Guard and Blades dont get that keyword. All of em also have the standalone <Wraith Construct> tag as well.

Hey brahs, just made a list, would appreciate some cc.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/778784.page#10528567

Thanks

Forgot the wraithlord has the monster keyword, good catch.

Hi all,

I’ve just picked up 8 of the original Reaver Jetbikes on sprue for £25 on eBay, with the intention of filing off the spikes and adding spare guardian heads to make cheap Craftworld bikers. BUT can’t decide the flavor! In order of real-world cost, my thoughts are:

1) make ‘em scatter bikes with spare plastic scatter lasers I have from all the other vehicles I’ve pointedly NOT ARMED WITH SCATTER LASERS
1b) same - but with metal 2nd edition ones that I’ve picked up in previous fleabay purchases
2) arm them with Shuriken Cannons because I PLAY BIEL TAN DAMNIT (have 5 already, will need to source more from
Somewhere)
3) source the requisite bitz to convert them into Shining Spears. Don’t currently have either twin catapults or appropriate Lances, and would prefer some better heads than guardian ones too, BUT almost seems a shame not to use these unique models as Jousting Space Elves

What do you think, internet?

Regards,
Neil

I think you should look at some magnet options to have at least two load outs.

Scat lasers and dual cats sounds good seem like a sweet spot for me personally. I think shuri cannons are overcosted on bikes, but then on biel tan its not a bad shout.

For how game is now and staying the feth away from it I'd take scatterlasers probably. But honestly no reason not to use magnets since they're pretty easy to fit there.

I run my bikes in beil tan with scatter lasers but my bikes have support built around them (i take a farseer on bike warlord and give them autoguide, i find i can normally get them in position t1 to stay still so the-1 to hit doesnt come up much) but that requires building the list with them in mind. If you want them to be autonomous then beil tan shiriken cannons are definitely the way to go

Magnets make sense, personally I'd go for catapults and deepstrike them in but cannons are more flexible.

Does anyone use the Phoenix Lords in competitive lists? Usually all I see are casters and autarchs. Is there some reason that we don't see the PLs?

I'm thinking of using Fuegan and Jan Zair to supplement my fire dragon and banshee contingents. Fuegan acts like an autarch for shooting purposes and JZ gives my banshees "always strikes first". These seem like worthwhile effects in addition to each model's own combat prowess.

Anyway just curious as to other peoples experiences.

I think the closest you'll see to PLs getting competitive play is a list that uses Asurmen, the rest just aren't really up to par.

The units they "support" just aren't good enough like Scorpions, Dragons and Banshees when other options are just better.

Definitely worth doing a fun and fluffy list tailored to them though!

Ive seen some tourney lists with Maugan Ra.

I think the reason you dont see them often is that the aspects they help are not very point efficient(like fire dragons some would argue)

From a min max perspective they dont seem very good for their points and the buffs they give are not as good as the psychic or WL traits you can combo up with.

I like asurmen and am hoping to make some lists with him but he is 175 pts... i think our t3 1w infantry is just overcosted to work with (or not enough wounds or invulns but thats a different argument)

Yeah some lists have Maugan Ra i them - but that was in the old style Ynnari lists mainly.

Though, from what i've heard, Jain Zar might be making some kind of comeback in the near/nearish future.

It's a shame about PLs. I think that they should be almost equal to or equal to Primachs. I mean, I know that SM are the posterchildren of GW but still...

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
It's a shame about PLs. I think that they should be almost equal to or equal to Primachs. I mean, I know that SM are the posterchildren of GW but still...

Nah i don't think they should. Maybe in terms of number of attacks and their buffs, but, def not in terms of T and W's.

That said, i'd love for them to have a rule for their "back to life" ability. On a 2+, you can sacrifice 1 of the relevant Aspect Warrior models that is up to 3" away, and the PL comes back to life on Dx wounds.

In competitive Maugan Ra is used in herohammer lists alongside death jesters and the Yncarne. He's not there to support reapers. His main function in those lists is providing highly consistent long range support fire on an untargetable platform.

Kdash wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
It's a shame about PLs. I think that they should be almost equal to or equal to Primachs. I mean, I know that SM are the posterchildren of GW but still...

Nah i don't think they should. Maybe in terms of number of attacks and their buffs, but, def not in terms of T and W's.

That said, i'd love for them to have a rule for their "back to life" ability. On a 2+, you can sacrifice 1 of the relevant Aspect Warrior models that is up to 3" away, and the PL comes back to life on Dx wounds.

Developers meeting;

Boss man: Gime something cool and juicy... I'm thinking mythical creature based sci fi character whose immortal.

Intern:
Like a phoenix...A phoenix rises from the ashes.. There are warlords.. In space... So a phoenix...whose also a lord... A Phoenix Lord!!! *Dum dum dum!!!!*

Boss Man: I love it! Print it stat Jimmy.

I think that would be a cool mechanic though. Or at least a similar Strat to the avatar which isn't 3CP.
I think Jain Zair and banshees could be a gimmick. I have Jain already and her rules seem like fun.
I know if I can get hold of 10 metal banshees in a good shape for a reasonable price I'd field them for sure. They sort of want to be Biel-tan for the court of young king strat which im sort struggling with.

The court of the young king is a fun strat with banshees just to get them into charge range, but once they're in they do very little with S3 weapons...

I have used it to some success to tie up units like telemons or the like but they were with barebones banshee squads and no Jain Zar.