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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/10/30 16:13:33
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Would this do well in casual games? It has 95% of the units I want to field and I think I've arranged them in a decent way that gives enough CPs Tactically, all the bikes stay 6" of the Autarch, not only to be immune to Morale, but to get his reroll 1's to hit. I can use the Warlocks to buff up the Shining Spears and shoot them forward for a 32"+ charge on backfield units (several if needed) I really like the idea of using Jinx with Shuricannons. It's not as affective as Doom, but it makes even the non-6's to wound do a bit more damage. The 2 main reasons I would not bring this list to a tourney (or even a tourney-prep casual game) is because I don't think it have enough anti-tank or Troop units. -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/10/31 06:39:44
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Honestly think the shurican cannons are alittle over priced. I keep thinking about using them as the range provides a decent bit of safety while you go try to contest objectives. However, being just 2 points shy of a shing spear just feels really bad x.x. So i guess in my mind it's kind of twin catapult or bust on the wind riders. With the twin catapults you actually have a respectable unit: trading with 2 dire avenger's troop choice, range, and obec with fly, more than double move, and a tougness bonus. Kind of a weird conundrum. is it better to be obsec?? or fast enough that you can claim any objective.
Like the list. I see you can't help buy get those CP from dire avengers/rangers. They are just unavoidable now that you can get troop bikes x.x. You handicap yourself otherwise.
Also don't you think you could drop the wave serpent for doom. I feel like this would go a long way in your anti armor solution. Makes the shuriken weapons a real options for throwing at big monsters and vehicles if you can better fish for the sixs. For instance, You could take the same amount of points worth of windriders to kill a leman russ, as you would need in fire prisms. (mind you this is casting jinx and doom on said leman russ). Plus the shuriken weapons on your shining spears would also enjoy the doom quite a bit, and all your shurikens can be put toward taking out one tank, while your shining spear squad takes out another with lance shots and melee.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/10/31 08:38:32
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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I'm a fan. There are a lot of very solid threats there, and matching alaitoc tactic with the cannons is a solid strategy.
Personally, I'd two spiritseers over the warlocks. Whilst they'd lack mobility, they could bundle into the serpent and get pushed up to the front. Realistically, first couple of turns you're going to have the spears+autarch going in, with the bikes putting down dakka outside of 12". If you want buffs, spiritseers will work a bit better, or even a farseer, if you want debuffs you've got your hemlocks. Just personal preference.
Down the track I'd have a play around with your infantry. It's still too early to make any calls I reckon, but try out rangers, or more just avengers, guardians etc. Personally, I have no clue which is optimal yet, haven't had enough games to get a firm handle on things. Depending on the list you're up against, you might find this list a little too heavy-heavy, but should be alright to be honest. Just give it a bit of consideration I think!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/10/31 17:31:39
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I'm tempted to swap all the Windriders for either Vypers or more Shining spears, however I feel that would dramatically change the tone of the list
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/10/31 18:03:17
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Galef wrote:I'm tempted to swap all the Windriders for either Vypers or more Shining spears, however I feel that would dramatically change the tone of the list
To be honest me too. They are soo much tougher to the price. while they are weaker to weapons like bright lances and lascannons, they aren't so much more vulnerable to those weapons. Making them just accross the board way tougher than wind riders for just a little bit more. I'm personally tempted to get a unit of 3 vypers in my saim-hann list. 3 vypers in saim-hann with that 20" native move have a good shot of find turn one charges, and can potentially eat over watch for the big shining spear squad, and heck even with out saim-hann that 20" charge could pretty realisticly find you some decent turn 1 charges.
Lol i really get frustrated thinking about situations of stuff like vypers potentially getting turn 1 charges because you can't math hammer that out really... or it requires something more complicated than i'm interested in doing. how likely is it that you 20" move vyper squad will get you a turn one charge, and how likely is it that, that's the unit you want to charge to protect your shining spear from thier over watch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/10/31 22:12:47
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
Seattle Area
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I think this list will perform fine in casual play. Depending on how casual your friends are, it might be a little on the rough side with the air wing.
The Fire Prisms are cool, but you probably want a 3rd for redundancy. They're massively better with Linked Fire, and if I was going first against you, I'd destroy one first thing to prevent you from using it.
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Froth at the top, dregs at the bottom, but the middle - excellent |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/10/31 22:23:00
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Screaming Shining Spear
Russia, Moscow
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Why no relic?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/01 00:37:41
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I think the air wing is much too powerful to be used in casual games, just me though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/01 00:56:45
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
Seattle Area
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sturguard wrote:I think the air wing is much too powerful to be used in casual games, just me though.
I'd second this, esp. with Hemlocks. But everyone's casual scene is different.
I have some ex-military friends who play hardcore lists as standard fare.
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Froth at the top, dregs at the bottom, but the middle - excellent |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/01 01:16:04
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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znelson wrote:
I'd second this, esp. with Hemlocks. But everyone's casual scene is different.
I have some ex-military friends who play hardcore lists as standard fare.
This. It's impossible to gauge the effectiveness of a list in a casual environment unless you're familiar with what's played there.
I'd say this is clearly a stronger list than what I mostly see in casual games though. Lots of people don't have enough models to optimise their lists very much, and many others simply play what they enjoy.
That said, I don't think anything is too powerful (or too weak) to be used in casual games, it all depends on what the players agree on and enjoy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/01 13:43:52
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I haven't really given them a good look yet. None of them really stood out to me, so I just haven't really thought about them. What do you suggest? About the Airwing and casual play: I don't think it will be too bad in my casual scene as many players bring Primarchs in casual games if that gives you a good idea. My local gaming community has a wide variety of players, some that just play what they want, others that only seem to only own models that are tourney-level good. The best I can do is find the middle ground. Bringing Windriders and Warlocks automatically knocks me out of top-tier (as if Eldar can even be top tier in 8th) -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/01 15:43:07
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Screaming Shining Spear
Russia, Moscow
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Maybe Shroud for -1 to Hit for Autarch (there are 2 versions) or Faolchu's Wing on Spiritseer/Warlock/Farseer on foot to save 30-40 points instead of using Warlock on a bike.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/01 16:12:54
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Galef, as you are an experienced player, I suggest to post a competitive list.
Casual list sounds like an excuse to think not until the end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/01 16:38:57
Subject: [2000] - Eldar bikes, skimmers and flyers - casual list
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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wuestenfux wrote:Galef, as you are an experienced player, I suggest to post a competitive list. Casual list sounds like an excuse to think not until the end.
I have posted a competitive list: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/743359.page But it doesn't have the units I really want to play (Windriders, Fire Prisms and Skyrunner Characters). Aside for the Prisms, I just don't see jetbkes being competitive (maybe Shining Spears, but I only have 5). This list is an excuse to use the units I started this army for back in 4th edition. Since those units are by default "non-competitive" is makes the list a casual one. Maybe I could swap the Air-wing for a WraithKnight, but that might make the list just flat out bad. -
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