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Like the title asks I don’t know why people don’t like the Thunderfire Cannon anymore. I personally love them, sure they aren’t as good as they were in 7th. But I don’t see them as bad

I want to try them out but atm all of mine are in like 20 pieces.

i feel like tremor shells could be clutch on occasion.

 Austinman42 wrote:
Like the title asks I don’t know why people don’t like the Thunderfire Cannon anymore. I personally love them, sure they aren’t as good as they were in 7th. But I don’t see them as bad

There models are slightly infamous.
Though I do agree I might buy one at one point.

I think there not sold in shops though. That explains some

Expensive and not much damage output. A whirlwind is cheaper for similar output and is much tougher. Indeed, that change in 8th for artillery not being base T7 takes away a lot of the reason why it was so popular previously.

You won't auto lose a game or anything by bringing one, of course, it's just they aren't a competitive choice.

I haven't seen one in a store in ages, and I imagine that is a large reason why. Is the current model metal or finecast? If so, it sure would seem like a good canidate for an upgrade to plastic - I seem to recall they used to be annoying, if not terrifying to use on the battlefield.

 buddha wrote:
Expensive and not much damage output. A whirlwind is cheaper for similar output and is much tougher. Indeed, that change in 8th for artillery not being base T7 takes away a lot of the reason why it was so popular previously.

You won't auto lose a game or anything by bringing one, of course, it's just they aren't a competitive choice.

A wirdwind is also a generic rhino hull. With a turret or top plate swap, razor, rhino.

Magnets, a pred etc

 Austinman42 wrote:
Like the title asks I don’t know why people don’t like the Thunderfire Cannon anymore. I personally love them, sure they aren’t as good as they were in 7th. But I don’t see them as bad

I was thinking of buying one, and then decided to pay my mortgage instead. . . joking aside they're brutally expensive for their points, and the model is ancient.

It's an okay unit all things considered and has a tasty Strategem. The model itself though is ugly.

I'm thinking relic forge world tanks using the heavy slot. 3 relics, 3 thunder fires and of course a fellblade or falchion with a chapter Master and lieutenant

4d3 (8) strength 5, ap0, 1 damage shots. So in essence 3 heavy bolters with unlimited range and no AP. Requires a techmarine gunner. Very low mobility.

Lost the ability to bolster cover, as well.

Was one of the many things that was better with blast templates than without.


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And would you rather have that one Thunderfire Cannon, or 12D6 mortar shots at strength 4?

Or perhaps 2D6 strength 10 AP-2 d3 damage shots?

Or perhaps 4D6 strength 4 shots that can reroll wounds, and have some points leftover (enough to include a few mortar shots?)

 Austinman42 wrote:
Like the title asks I don’t know why people don’t like the Thunderfire Cannon anymore. I personally love them, sure they aren’t as good as they were in 7th. But I don’t see them as bad

in 7th they were a wee bit ridiculous and were very popular, they were great at killing both infantry and light/medium vehicles, had an ability to bolster cover during deployment, were very hardy, and relatively cheap. 8th overnerfed them unfortunately.

The other big issue is that the model is expensive and was very poorly designed such that it requires a whole lot of fitting work to actually assemble properly, especially the metal incarnation. Total knightmare.

Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

I keep hoping they'll do a plastic one. it's literally the one bit of space marine fine cast left (well save tech marines and special characyers)

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

Its call converting

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Kataphron-Battle-Servitors-Breachers

That will make 3 Thunderfire cannons and if you have SM legs you have 3 Tech marines all in 1 box.

31 pieces! I'm glad I saw that. It's on my list to get one day.

Bitspudlo has two versions that seemed to be priced quite well.
http://bitspudlo.com/product/firestorm-cannon-armadillo-pattern/

It's a bit more than three heavy bolter totting marines, so I'm not sure why people are crapping on it. Especially since it's tougher than a devastator squad... Also the whirlwind and such mentioned earlier are more expensive and do not have an AP like this does.

This seems like a much cheaper way to get wounds downfield. Not to mention once the gun is dead you still have a pretty lethal/useful tech marine.

 sfshilo wrote:
It's a bit more than three heavy bolter totting marines, so I'm not sure why people are crapping on it. Especially since it's tougher than a devastator squad... Also the whirlwind and such mentioned earlier are more expensive and do not have an AP like this does.

This seems like a much cheaper way to get wounds downfield. Not to mention once the gun is dead you still have a pretty lethal/useful tech marine.

The cheapest, best way to get wounds downfield is imperial guard. The thunderfire cannon is a joke compared to what they have, and you're imperium, so just bring guard. There are exactly 0 use cases for the thunderfire cannon.

 Marmatag wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:
It's a bit more than three heavy bolter totting marines, so I'm not sure why people are crapping on it. Especially since it's tougher than a devastator squad... Also the whirlwind and such mentioned earlier are more expensive and do not have an AP like this does.

This seems like a much cheaper way to get wounds downfield. Not to mention once the gun is dead you still have a pretty lethal/useful tech marine.

The cheapest, best way to get wounds downfield is imperial guard. The thunderfire cannon is a joke compared to what they have, and you're imperium, so just bring guard. There are exactly 0 use cases for the thunderfire cannon.

Not everyone wants to play soup lists. Some of us like to stick with Space Marines.

The gunner can also repair things and fire the gun at the same time. So when setting up your gunline, if you park a couple of tanks near the TFC, he can patch them up while peppering shots downrange.

 Nevelon wrote:

Not everyone wants to play soup lists. Some of us like to stick with Space Marines.

I completely agree with this sentiment.

But the question is why don't people use them, and there's a clear answer.

TFC with the tremor shells strategem is pretty good when facing footsloggers. I used to auto include 2 in every 7th edition list, now you could get by with just one.

Dont forget you also do have a tech marine.

not a bad idea to have a long range shooting dread next to it to keep it alive longer.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
TFC with the tremor shells strategem is pretty good when facing footsloggers. I used to auto include 2 in every 7th edition list, now you could get by with just one.

Honestly in a TAC list vs Tyranids and eventually Orks I think a few will be taking for this alone.

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

it aint any harder or more time consuming to put that together then any plastic rhino or russ.

i bought 1 for my iron hands mini army but it will ust be used as a fluff item as it realy dont have any viable effect against horde armys. (too mutch rng and too low dmg)

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

it aint any harder or more time consuming to put that together then any plastic rhino or russ.

i bought 1 for my iron hands mini army but it will ust be used as a fluff item as it realy dont have any viable effect against horde armys. (too mutch rng and too low dmg)

They are a bit more of a pain to build. A number of the resin gates are connected in hard to reach, yet visable spots. Warping is an issues, and bubbles etc can crop up. I built one and that was enough.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

it aint any harder or more time consuming to put that together then any plastic rhino or russ.

One might think that. When I bought one when they came out, I didn't think it would be a huge deal.

I was wrong. Oh so wrong.

Nothing fit, it all required heavy filing, cutting, and fitting. Parts were warped, connecting points wouldnt line up, etc. Seriously one of the worst models I ever dealt with.

You can get really solid 3rd party Thunderfire cannons that are like 3 pieces on ebay for well less than half of the cost. And they look good.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

it aint any harder or more time consuming to put that together then any plastic rhino or russ.

One might think that. When I bought one when they came out, I didn't think it would be a huge deal.

I was wrong. Oh so wrong.

Nothing fit, it all required heavy filing, cutting, and fitting. Parts were warped, connecting points wouldnt line up, etc. Seriously one of the worst models I ever dealt with.

Must have made some improvments then or i was lucky, as i bought mine during the summer and started assembling it yesterday and so far one part is warped, rest is going smooth as silk, even the flash removal.
cannon is done and i plan to begin on the tech today.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

it aint any harder or more time consuming to put that together then any plastic rhino or russ.

One might think that. When I bought one when they came out, I didn't think it would be a huge deal.

I was wrong. Oh so wrong.

Nothing fit, it all required heavy filing, cutting, and fitting. Parts were warped, connecting points wouldnt line up, etc. Seriously one of the worst models I ever dealt with.

My dog ate mine. I wasn't even upset. I was kind of relieved it wasn't a model that I actually cared about. It was fun to use the few times I used it in 7th. One game it killed 15 veterans of the long war in a single phase. In 8th...It is a POS in comparison. The tech marine it comes with is pretty nice though. I use that all the time.

FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

it aint any harder or more time consuming to put that together then any plastic rhino or russ.

One might think that. When I bought one when they came out, I didn't think it would be a huge deal.

I was wrong. Oh so wrong.

Nothing fit, it all required heavy filing, cutting, and fitting. Parts were warped, connecting points wouldnt line up, etc. Seriously one of the worst models I ever dealt with.

Must have made some improvments then or i was lucky, as i bought mine during the summer and started assembling it yesterday and so far one part is warped, rest is going smooth as silk, even the flash removal.
cannon is done and i plan to begin on the tech today.

They may have cleaned up the mold when they moved to finecast, the original metal from '08 was a complete disaster and was widely renowned as such. Glad to hear some people didn't have trouble with it though.

Xenomancers wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Gah, I just looked this model up on GW's site. 31 pieces of finecast? I think I'd rather set fire to my own privates than attempt to assemble that. No wonder you can only find it on their website and not in stores.

it aint any harder or more time consuming to put that together then any plastic rhino or russ.

One might think that. When I bought one when they came out, I didn't think it would be a huge deal.

I was wrong. Oh so wrong.

Nothing fit, it all required heavy filing, cutting, and fitting. Parts were warped, connecting points wouldnt line up, etc. Seriously one of the worst models I ever dealt with.

My dog ate mine. I wasn't even upset. I was kind of relieved it wasn't a model that I actually cared about. It was fun to use the few times I used it in 7th. One game it killed 15 veterans of the long war in a single phase. In 8th...It is a POS in comparison. The tech marine it comes with is pretty nice though. I use that all the time.

I just reread the entry and realized all the extra crap the gunner has to pay for, holy crap they basically make you pay for 40pts worth of stuff that the character just will never use