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To be fair, in 5th they actually encouraged you to file the names off the characters and make them fit your own army. It wasn’t until chapter tactics became a formalized thing in 6th that you couldn’t do that any more.

So Lysander could be the grim 1st company captain for any chapter, and the tough, half bionic, combi-flamer toting Cassus could fit in just about anywhere.

It was when I saw a Salamanders army led by Pedro Vulcan with Crimson Fists traits and the Hold The Line special rule that I saw the ridiculousness of that process.



Now, Lysander as a CF Captain worked surprisingly well.

 Nevelon wrote:
To be fair, in 5th they actually encouraged you to file the names off the characters and make them fit your own army. It wasn’t until chapter tactics became a formalized thing in 6th that you couldn’t do that any more.

So Lysander could be the grim 1st company captain for any chapter, and the tough, half bionic, combi-flamer toting Cassus could fit in just about anywhere.

Which was definitely the best part of the codex. Well, that and Tactical Squads still had Heavy Flamers...

Still, an option to purchase special rules like that would be neat. My generic Biker Captain with the Teeth Of Terra from a White Scars successor is always cool, but if I could pay points for an aura to reroll charges? That'd be cool. Only issue is how you price that.


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 Just Tony wrote:
It was when I saw a Salamanders army led by Pedro Vulcan with Crimson Fists traits and the Hold The Line special rule that I saw the ridiculousness of that process.



Now, Lysander as a CF Captain worked surprisingly well.

As ridiculous as it sounds, it LOOKS good on the table too.

I think it still comes back to given every piece of fluff and rules about Space Wolves in the last ten years or more - why are they not hated more than Ultramarines?

They went from being a normal Chapter (RT and Book of the Astronomican) to a somewhat unusual chapter with Viking flavour then suddenly they became WOLF WOLF Wolves.

Not only that but every time they did anything - it was sooo Epic! they said feth the Inquisition, the Grey Knights, the Administratum, they pretty much fought the Imperium single handed during Vanidre's rein and as time passed GW then made them more OP. Cos Wolves

Yeah some chapters have about 20 void ships - well the Space Wolves have about 2-300 - that's how Epic and Wolfy they are. There might only be 1500 of them but that's how many ships they have - oh and a few Star Fortress's that they crew form somewhere - cos no-one other than Wolves ever leaves Fenris - well except when they do. Cos Wolves

And so it goes on and on in each edition - I am really worried what the 8th Ed Space Wolf Codex will look and read like - I assume Russ will come back - (which is cool -certainly better than that prize Dick the Lion) but will he be a Primarch or will he be just a giant Wolf-Primarch on his Wolf Throne, pulled by Wolf-Wolves on their wolf sled pulled by even bigger wolf-wolf wolves in wolf armour............ Cos Wolves

When you read this sort of thing - we do people hate Ultras more than Wolves? ( I still have my SW army but it has no wolf on wolf action or similar)

And then there are Dark Angels - it started (again) but later than Wolves as a normal chapter with a couple of interesting formations - one the Deathwatch with a interesting background and everything and then time passed and they became super-secret traitor hunters that protect the Imperium by killing other Imperials whenever they are suspected - or just in the wrong place or just trying to help them, leaving battles and campaigns midway cos they saw a single Fallen. Then there is the whole "ok look we are a secret Legion - that's how awesomely secret we are. I miss using my old Dark Angels.

So the UM - yeah RG is powerful in game and fluff and yeah its annoying that the UM get more characters than the other neglected Chapters - but they don't get their own Codex do they - not like Wolves, Vampires or the Wannabe Knights Templars that the Dark Angels have sadly become. They loose battles as much as an Marine does in the fluff - well maybe not the Blood Angels and co they do get hammered a lot in the fluff.

If people think that RG is acting like a dick wait till we get the Lion back - as spoilt as Fulgrim - I can't recall a single part of his story that is not either dull or shows him in a bad light?

Because it's a lot easier to just laugh at the space puppies.

Also because small annoyances like naming conventions and utterly irrelevant fluff details like how many spaceships a faction has does not outweigh an annoying and, more importantly, ubquitous aesthetic.

Ultras are loudly and constantly shoved in your face as the best of the best. Guilliman in his ridiculous pinheaded skinny-pantsed toilet despoiler pose is every other post on 40k mini painting sites and splashed across every other Warhammer community article. We haven't heard a peep from the wolves since WoM in 7th Ed, but we see a limited edition Ultramarines captain or a new kit with Ultramarines on the front coming out every month.

Familiarity breeds contempt. Having to deal with some annoying bit of bureaucratic paperwork every day is more annoying than having to deal with jury duty once every couple years, even if jury duty is more irritating.

The existence of an equally or even more annoying thing you see less often is a lesser evil to an annoying thing shoved in your face every 2 weeks.