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nekooni wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

nekooni wrote:

I think the point here is that while you're writing a list by hand it's literally zero additional effort to cheat. Just "forget" to calculate those plasma guns, or "forget" to use the BS3+ price for them. If you're using battlescribe or ANY tool you have to actually put effort into cheating.

In the time it took me to read your comment, I've already given myself 7 point plasmaguns across the board in my version of the datafiles. And I'd never looked at them before.

I mean, it's deliberate effort, but you're also probably less inclined to notice.

I don't validate lists tbh, so it's a moot point - I'm not a tournament player, and outside of "what, how is this thing so cheap, are you serious?" I don't ask anything about the other players point costs.
But all I'm saying is that it took you some effort. You had to know how to change your data files which I'm confident is only a minority, and you had to actually do it, and then build your list. That's obviously more effort than just not adding the plasmagun properly on your sheet of paper, isn't it?

And yeah, I'm gonna guess those files are XML structures and pretty easy to feth with if you're familiar with those.

Exactly. As someone pointed out earlier, sins of omission are much more likely in handwritten scenarios than sins of deliberate file manipulation are within the context of BS, which I agree, are not difficult if you know what you're looking for and how to do it.

Funny thing is, xml files open without problems in notepad and they are plain English so it's really easy to find a unit or weapon and it's point cost.

nekooni wrote:

I don't validate lists tbh, so it's a moot point - I'm not a tournament player, and outside of "what, how is this thing so cheap, are you serious?" I don't ask anything about the other players point costs.
But all I'm saying is that it took you some effort. You had to know how to change your data files which I'm confident is only a minority, and you had to actually do it, and then build your list. That's obviously more effort than just not adding the plasmagun properly on your sheet of paper, isn't it?

And yeah, I'm gonna guess those files are XML structures and pretty easy to feth with if you're familiar with those.

Don't actually know what format they are, to be honest. If they're like the AB ones, they're XML and so poorly thought out that they're practically unparsable. Nah, I actually did it through the gui data editor (which felt a bit nicer than the actual roster editor) that BS installs by default whenever you install the actual app. It's just about two minutes of point and click. Hardest part was figuring out where the data files were, which was a directory deeper than the default.

But yeah, sins of omission versus deliberate tampering. I can't say if one's more common than the other. I just wanted to point out that nothing is foolproof if some fool sticks their hand inside and starts fiddling with the bits.

 daedalus wrote:

But yeah, sins of omission versus deliberate tampering. I can't say if one's more common than the other. I just wanted to point out that nothing is foolproof if some fool sticks their hand inside and starts fiddling with the bits.

Absolutely, nothing is foolproof. But as someone who has been supporting end users for awhile now, I would say from personal experience that ignorance is sometimes the best form of security. What users don't know they don't usually break.

That being said, sudo rm -rf / happens.

nekooni wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
I've seen much the opposite, so to each their own. Just in my own lists this edition I have had battlescribe have noticeable errors at least 10 times. It fills me with no more confidence than the guy with the computer print out list (chicken scratch on paper is worse). Especially when I have run into a number of players with no books relying on battle scribe for their rules.

I play most of the Imperium factions (well, and Tyranids now), and while there are always mistakes right after a new book comes out, those mistakes are usually straightened out within a few weeks. FAQs and errata are usually incorporated within a few weeks, too. After that they're pretty much free of errors.

So just
a) wait until a catalogue is finished and had a few weeks to mature before you trust it without double-checking
b) never assume that BS is perfect

If something seems odd in BS, check your book.

In orks I was finding errors up until about 2 weeks ago, so that would be almost 6 months, for Dark Angels it was about 3 months. SO IT was quite a bit of time before things were correct. If I'm assuming it isn't perfect already I can just use my book and excel and more easily make a list, and if I find errors in the BS data it is harder to change those than it is to change my list.

All that said the advantage to "hand writing lists" is also that you learn more of the points values for things, and thus can more easily tell when things are wrong. Several of the BS errors I found I would not have picked up on if I wasn't writing my lists by hand other wise, or trying to re-do my lists in excel ("hey why doesn't this add up correctly")

My feeling is more often than not people that rely on the app don't bother to check their lists, and those using it as a replacement for a book, cannot check it anyway.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
That being said, sudo rm -rf / happens.

Hah. I did that once at work on accident. Thank god it was a testing vm and not a prod box or something.

But the point is received.

I like it, makes it easier to add the points together and see what I can cram into my army lists.

I love Battlescribe and used it since 8th came out. There are a few mistakes but they usually are remedied quickly.

The part that I don't understand is that GW hasn't come up with something for 40k.
I would even pay for it if it was official from GW!

Racerguy180 wrote:
I love Battlescribe and used it since 8th came out. There are a few mistakes but they usually are remedied quickly.

The part that I don't understand is that GW hasn't come up with something for 40k.
I would even pay for it if it was official from GW!

Agreed, although given how long it took for GW to embrace anything electronic or online, I'm not holding out too much hope.

Yeah, I was surprised there were PDFs of the 8e stuff, honestly.

M.

 Infantryman wrote:
Yeah, I was surprised there were PDFs of the 8e stuff, honestly.

M.

...there isn't. Surely you meant the epub version, right? Right?

 daedalus wrote:

 Infantryman wrote:
Yeah, I was surprised there were PDFs of the 8e stuff, honestly.

M.

...there isn't. Surely you meant the epub version, right? Right?

You are correct; was thinking "digital format" and PDF came to mind first.

M.

Ive only recently started using Battlescribe to brainstorm list ideas. So much easier than the endless scraps of paper I would write up, and inevitably lose.

BUT it irks me to no end when my opponent is using Battlescribe as their codex. Alot of rules and info isn't listed, and only after the game, during my own research do I find glaring mistakes in the way we were playing things.

Yeah, I will use Battlescribe if I have a quick idea I don't want to lose in my head, or want a quick estimate of how much my army will cost in points. I don't see it as a replacement for your Codex/Index, but is a good tool for estimating army values.

I much prefer to use Spreadsheets and will always advise the use of Spreadsheets over BattleScribe. Spreadsheets allow you to make sure your lists are 100% correct with regards to things like options and points costs, and it is always easy to stay up to date with the right information. For me, BattleScribe generally has too many errors in it and is less intuitive for me than writing out a list on a Spreadsheet.

Vaxx wrote:
So making a list using excel or a pen and paper is so much better? I dont see it.

I have seen more mistakes with someone adding up their points manually than in Battlescribe. Making a list in BS and then checking it against a codex is also an option, you know?

Also at least BS updates regularly unlike books.....Index points/rules, now FAQ points/rules....now codex points/rules.....more FAQ points/rules.....oh chapter approved coming now too.

The dude that puts his lists on index cards better have a good eraser.

Face it....books get outdated. After a (short) while they are not 100% accurate. Especially at the speed GW has been shooting these out.

I just feel people that are complaining about digital lists and devices running out of battery are kind of stuck in the past. Dont want to trying something new.....because "I always wrote my list". At the same time they have 4 books, index cards, post it notes, and color coded page arrows, yet shy away from a digital list because "Its sooooooooo confusing" LOL.

To be honest I have never run into the problem of books being out-dated. FAQ answers and FAQ changes to rules can usually be found and accounted for pretty easily, Ideces and Codeces aren't getting changed to often or significantly that it is difficult to keep up with the changes, and I'd be willing to be that the changes made by any given issue of Chapter Approved can either be found pretty easily online or simply ignored for the sake of playing the game. The app being constantly is to be expected of the app and is - at least to my mind - not the advantage that it holds over the books. And let's be honest: If you're making a list with BS and you have to check it against your Codex/Index, Chapter Approved, etc, then why did you make it with BS in the first place? Why not just use Codex/Index, Chapter Approved, etc to build the list and be 100% sure the first time round?

Building lists with pen and paper seems to produce messy pieces of paper with no structure and often incorrectly points-costed lists because they made careless mistakes when adding up. So Pen + Paper is probably the worst way to do it.

I maintain that the use of a Spreadsheet (such as MS Office or OpenOffice Spreadsheets) is the best way because you can be 100% sure that the options you're giving your units are possible (because you'll have all the relevant documents in front of you) and you'll have access to all the correct points values. If you're seeing people adding up points incorrectly, then they've either listed the points value for something(s) incorrectly or don't know how to do addition (which is worrying). After a while, you also learn exactly what costs how many points which can be useful if you need to make quick adjustments to your lists or are writing your umpteenth list.

Compare what I've said in the above paragraph to BS. BS - in my experience - is always missing some very trivial things. For example - for a period of several months during the days of 7th Edition, you could not add Artificer Armour to a Space Marine Captain even though it was an option. Given that I'm surely not the only one who would have picked up on that, it seems silly that such a mistake could stay live on the app for so long. The there were always erroneous points values for models and weapons which also seemed to stay live on the app for relatively long periods of time making the points values for lists often quite wrong.

In light of all the aforementioned, I'd rather spend the little extra time with a Spreadsheet writing my list than using BS because BS is more likely to get points costs and unit options wrong than I am. And if anyone is getting points costs and options wrong more often than BS when they go to write their lists on Spreadsheets, then that's either sloppiness or stupidity.

 Tokhuah wrote:
Since I do not play in tournaments this is not a big deal. What I think is a bad idea is to pay into this money grab extravaganza:

Rule Book $60 (worse rule book value of any game I have ever played)
Index $25
Codex $40
Chapter Approved $?
Next Chapter Approved $?
Yet Another Chapter...

This is especially true if you are playing Orks or Necrons who will not even get Codex until this edition is 1/3 over.

OK let's break this down:
-- The rulebook is always a good buy, regardless of your army, whether you get it as a physical or electronic copy, etc etc etc, and is core to playing a game in 8th Edition. So complaining about the cost of the rulebook is - in my mind - silly because it's not overpriced (thus meaning that there is no real reason to complain other than you not being willing to spend the money).

-- The Index is only something you buy in two situations: 1) You were super keen to get playing 8th Edition right away; or 2) Your Codex's release date is a long way down the track. If you were in Group 1, I'm sure there are ways - both legal and otherwise - that would have allowed you to play, especially since you've made the implication that you're a relatively casual 40K gamer. If you're in Group 2, the yeah it sucks, but the expenditure (probably close to the $120 mark if you live in Aus) is over a number of months. Also: If you're getting truly pissy over an extra $40 for the Index in a hobby that is costing you hundreds if not thousands of dollars, then I feel you may need to take a step back and review your position with regards to this hobby.

-- For the Chapter Approved stuff, I still think it's a worthwhile investment regardless of whether or not your codex is out. I think of it no differently to buying another unit of models or the Tactical Objective cards for my Faction or a new box of dice.

 IllumiNini wrote:
Spreadsheets allow you to make sure your lists are 100% correct with regards to things like options and points costs

Exactly everyone who stares at spreadsheets for a living - or even a couple times a week - is going to tell you that's pucky.

Like, if you want to do spreadsheets go for it - I used to really enjoy hand-writing or keying lists back in the day - but don't think Spreadsheets have some magical property to them that makes them any more correct than anything else.

If you spot an error in BattleScribe, you can fix it yourself right in their little editor tool.

M.

I attached the index cards I made for all the units I can make with the models I have. I took each 10-man squad and broke them down into 2 5-man squads (labeled A and B respectively) I have them all printed and cut out so when I go to play, I just pull the units I want to use adding the totals of each unit together until I reach the set amount.

 Infantryman wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:
Spreadsheets allow you to make sure your lists are 100% correct with regards to things like options and points costs

Exactly everyone who stares at spreadsheets for a living - or even a couple times a week - is going to tell you that's pucky.

I completely disagree with this for the following reasons:

-- The amount of information you put on a Spreadsheet for any single list (regardless of whether or not you mix Factions like AM + SM) is still quite minimal [ See the attached Spreadsheet Document (open-able in OpenOffice) ]. In other words, there's simply not enough information on the Spreadsheet for you to be making (careless) errors.

-- Especially with the previous point in mind: If you're making errors with regards to which options you can take or the points costs, then that's you being careless with reading the rules of your armies and/or being careless with filling out the Spreadsheet. If you're making errors with regards to which options you can take or the points costs, that's on you and not the fault of the Spreadsheets or the nature of working with Spreadsheets.

-- If you're points values are incorrect due to being added up wrong, then that is also on you. Given that the Spreadsheets I've uploaded are in my experience typical in size of 40K Lists on a Spreadsheet, then the only way that the points can be added up wrong - assuming everything else is correct - is for you to make an error, which is definitely on you and is very, VERY easy to avoid.

Errors are so easy to avoid when writing a 40K List on a Spreadsheet, especially given that the Spreadsheets are not very big at all and the most complicated function you ever have to use the the "=sum()" function (which is very hard to get wrong).

 Infantryman wrote:
Like, if you want to do spreadsheets go for it - I used to really enjoy hand-writing or keying lists back in the day - but don't think Spreadsheets have some magical property to them that makes them any more correct than anything else.

You're right - Spreadsheets have no inherent "Magical" properties that make them any more correct than any other method of writing lists, but remember things like the following:

-- A Spreadsheet doesn't ever possess errors such as my Artificer Armour example.

-- Not that other tools like BS and whatnot are complex or hard to learn, but let's be honest: A majority of people (I'm tempted to say a Vast majority) already know how to use Spreadsheets on a basic level (which is all you need to write a List since - as I said - the most complex function you use is the "=sum()" function). And people at least have access to a free Spreadsheet software: OpenOffice.

-- Unless you find youself making mistakes all the time when reading points values or options off a page, it's actually very hard to make mistakes when writing a 40K List on Spreadsheet.

And I'll admit: BattleScribe is - at least 95% of the time - bang on the money with its content and a good tool to use when writing lists, but with your book(s) in front of you, it is practically impossible for you to make mistakes with a Spreadsheet unless you're needlessly careless and - especially with the internet literally at your fingertips in this day and age - you have all the up-to-date resources.

 Infantryman wrote:
If you spot an error in BattleScribe, you can fix it yourself right in their little editor tool.

That's fair, but I shouldn't have to learn how to use this tool - regardless of its complexity - just to be able to write a list. If you use Spreadsheets, not only do you not need to learn how to use this tool, but the need for such a tool is inherently not there.

-- A Spreadsheet doesn't ever possess errors such as my Artificer Armour example.

Your post had spelling errors. It's even easier not to catch a "6" on something that should be a "5".

M.

 Infantryman wrote:

-- A Spreadsheet doesn't ever possess errors such as my Artificer Armour example.

Your post had spelling errors.

Could you point them out for me please? I don't see any.

But let's be honest: The odd mistake here or there with spelling on a forum post is hardly something worth putting the effort into in order to avoid careless mistakes. Even the spelling you use when building a list is not important. Who's going to care if you spelled "Power Fist" with two r's at the end of Power and no s in Fist as long as you got the points value right? They're going to be able to tell that it was a Power Fist; and as long as it's a legal option for the model you gave it to and the points value is correct, who is ultimately going to care? That being said, you don't tend to write a lot of different words when you're writing a list so your spelling should be perfect or near-perfect anyway, but my point still stands.

When you're making a list, you'll either be reading a point value off a page (it's the same with options). The only time this is not the case is when you know details like the back of my hand. For example, I know that in 7th Edition, as baseline 5-Man Tactical Squad was 70 Points, a Power Sword was 15 Points, and Tactical Squads require ten models in order to take both a Heavy Weapon and Special Weapon while Crusader Squads had no such restriction. This meant that I never had to check my Codex for these units or options because I know the units, I know their costs, I knew the options they had, and I knew how much their options cost. In either case, there is no excuse, especially if you double check your work (which is neither hard or time-consuming considering a vast majority of your time is dedicated to deciding what's in your list and writing it down).

 Infantryman wrote:
It's even easier not to catch a "6" on something that should be a "5".

Going off the back of what I said above in this post, this should never happen by virtue of having the books in front of you and double checking your work.


Writing a list on a Spreadsheet is not some insanely difficult thing filled with erroneous entries and incorrect maths. It's actually very easy to do and very easy to avoid errors assuming you care about it more than I care about my spelling here on this forum. I've also noticed that a vast majority (if not all) of the people who have said that Spreadsheets are inferior to BattleScribe for whatever reason not only use BattleScribe regularly but also have barely if ever used Spreadsheets to create lists (in a vast majority of cases, they never have used Spreadsheets for lists at all). Curious, no?

If you're points values are incorrect due to...

And there's the rub - it's there, you didn't see it even after you were told. So much for a double check!

And how is it I can double-check a spreadsheet but not an XML file?

M.

kaotkbliss wrote:
I attached the index cards I made for all the units I can make with the models I have. I took each 10-man squad and broke them down into 2 5-man squads (labeled A and B respectively) I have them all printed and cut out so when I go to play, I just pull the units I want to use adding the totals of each unit together until I reach the set amount.

Then what if you want to change squad sizes and equipment quickly?


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 IllumiNini wrote:

But let's be honest: The odd mistake here or there with spelling on a forum post is hardly something worth putting the effort into in order to avoid careless mistakes. Even the spelling you use when building a list is not important. Who's going to care if you spelled "Power Fist" with two r's at the end of Power and no s in Fist as long as you got the points value right? They're going to be able to tell that it was a Power Fist; and as long as it's a legal option for the model you gave it to and the points value is correct, who is ultimately going to care? That being said, you don't tend to write a lot of different words when you're writing a list so your spelling should be perfect or near-perfect anyway, but my point still stands.

When you're making a list, you'll either be reading a point value off a page (it's the same with options). The only time this is not the case is when you know details like the back of my hand. For example, I know that in 7th Edition, as baseline 5-Man Tactical Squad was 70 Points, a Power Sword was 15 Points, and Tactical Squads require ten models in order to take both a Heavy Weapon and Special Weapon while Crusader Squads had no such restriction. This meant that I never had to check my Codex for these units or options because I know the units, I know their costs, I knew the options they had, and I knew how much their options cost. In either case, there is no excuse, especially if you double check your work (which is neither hard or time-consuming considering a vast majority of your time is dedicated to deciding what's in your list and writing it down).

Either way you need to keep checking index or have some interesting spreadsheet automated calculation and all points in spreadsheet to allow you to say put in 8 tactical marines with missile launcher and have it automatically calculate it for you. If you need to check points(and if you don't human errors WILL happen) then that's not that much more helpful than pen&paper especially if you shuffle units in and out.

and if you double check from codex points...Well gee same can be done with battle scribe. Except you don't need to do it every time you make army list.

Infantryman wrote:

If you're points values are incorrect due to...

And there's the rub - it's there, you didn't see it even after you were told. So much for a double check!

Well I'm still waiting because you being a smart-ass isn't an answer to my question. Where's the spelling error?

Infantryman wrote:And how is it I can double-check a spreadsheet but not an XML file?

You open it with OpenOffice. It's a free piece of software that does a few things like word processing, spreadsheets, etc. It is definitely rather good if you don't have access to programs you have to pay for like Microsoft Office.

tneva82 wrote:Either way you need to keep checking index or have some interesting spreadsheet automated calculation and all points in spreadsheet to allow you to say put in 8 tactical marines with missile launcher and have it automatically calculate it for you. If you need to check points(and if you don't human errors WILL happen) then that's not that much more helpful than pen&paper especially if you shuffle units in and out.

I'm not sure how Spreadsheets compare to pen and paper overall since I've never actually used pen and paper to write a list, but Spreadsheets are definitely easier to use. Think of it like writing a story, poem or essay using pen and paper vs writing a story, poem or essay using Microsoft Word. As for shuffling units, options, etc in and out, it's actually very easy. Take for example a baseline 5-Man Tactical Squad with a Combi-Plasma on the Sergeant. The baseline squad will go on one line on the spreadsheet, the Combi-Plasma will go on the next, then you sum it all up using the sum function. Want to add in another option like a Plasma Gun? Add in another row or set of cells (depending on how your spreadsheet is set up) for the squad and type it in. Want to get rid of something? Delete the cells. Want to switch an option out? Replace the data in the appropriate cells. It may not be easier per se than the equivalent on pen and paper, but at the very least it's neater.

tneva82 wrote:and if you double check from codex points...Well gee same can be done with battle scribe. Except you don't need to do it every time you make army list.

Fair call. That is definitely one area where spreadsheets fall short, but when you become well verse in points like I was with 7th Edition, the need to double check points values and options for units is no longer there. Admittedly I only ever played Vanilla Space Marines so it was easy for me to do that, but the point still stands.


Before I go any further though, I do think that BattleScribe is a good program and good for building lists. It just isn't as good for me as Spreadsheets because the errors I tend to find in BattleScribe like my Artificer Armour example as well as the fact that I find myself being able to create lists rather quickly in terms of the time spent typing and so forth (comes with the practice, I guess).

 IllumiNini wrote:
You open it with OpenOffice. It's a free piece of software that does a few things like word processing, spreadsheets, etc. It is definitely rather good if you don't have access to programs you have to pay for like Microsoft Office.

And for the same effort you can double check BS. Of course that's once and done(at least until GW changes point values, not often) at which point it's second check. With spreadsheet same assuming you have automated excel sheet that calculates squad you typed in automatically but creating such spreadsheet takes more effort than using BS.

I'm not sure how Spreadsheets compare to pen and paper overall since I've never actually used pen and paper to write a list, but Spreadsheets are definitely easier to use. Think of it like writing a story, poem or essay using pen and paper vs writing a story, poem or essay using Microsoft Word. As for shuffling units, options, etc in and out, it's actually very easy. Take for example a baseline 5-Man Tactical Squad with a Combi-Plasma on the Sergeant. The baseline squad will go on one line on the spreadsheet, the Combi-Plasma will go on the next, then you sum it all up using the sum function. Want to add in another option like a Plasma Gun? Add in another row or set of cells (depending on how your spreadsheet is set up) for the squad and type it in. Want to get rid of something? Delete the cells. Want to switch an option out? Replace the data in the appropriate cells. It may not be easier per se than the equivalent on pen and paper, but at the very least it's neater.

and where those points come? Automatically from spreadsheet(requires more than little bit) or copying it from codex?

with BS software does it all automatically for you. Do the data check once, done. Keep using automatically.

Fair call. That is definitely one area where spreadsheets fall short, but when you become well verse in points like I was with 7th Edition, the need to double check points values and options for units is no longer there. Admittedly I only ever played Vanilla Space Marines so it was easy for me to do that, but the point still stands.

If you don't double check but rely on human memory then you are quaranteed for human errors. BS doesnt' do that. Once you have checked points are correct that's it. It doesn't go "oops points value was incorrect". 40k has too many point values to remember 100% accurately.

tneva82 wrote:
And for the same effort you can double check BS. Of course that's once and done(at least until GW changes point values, not often) at which point it's second check. With spreadsheet same assuming you have automated excel sheet that calculates squad you typed in automatically but creating such spreadsheet takes more effort than using BS.

To be honest it doesn't take all that much effort, especially when you copy-paste things and/or are used to typing it out. Think of it kinda like touch-typing: It might be a little daunting at first, but once you get it down, it's relatively quick and easy. Though I will admit that BS is - more often than not - mildly quicker. But since I'm proficient at using the spreadsheet method to write my lists, the time I may save by using BS isn't enough to justify giving up Spreadsheets to use BS.

tneva82 wrote:
and where those points come? Automatically from spreadsheet(requires more than little bit) or copying it from codex?

The points come from the codex. Not all that time consuming, especially now they have the points values all at the back of the codex.

tneva82 wrote:
If you don't double check but rely on human memory then you are quaranteed for human errors. BS doesnt' do that. Once you have checked points are correct that's it. It doesn't go "oops points value was incorrect". 40k has too many point values to remember 100% accurately.

I wouldn't say it guarantees human error. Increase the risk of it? Sure, but guarantee? No. Plus if you use it all the time - for example if you use Tactical Squads in most of not all of your lists, you're almost surely going to know with 100% certainty that they are 13 Points per model. I use power Swords a lot in my list, so I know that in 7th Edition they were 15 Points and they're 4 Points in 8th Edition. So yes there is the increased risk of human error, but when you get the the point where you can rely on it for at least some things, then you can be pretty damn sure you got the right points value and save yourself some time as well.

And you're never going to remember all your points values for everything with 100% accuracy, but if I know the points values for the units I use most commonly in my list, then that can help me save time with my method. For example, I'm very familiar with the points values for Crusader Squads, Land Raider Crusaders, and Terminator Assault Squads because I use them often in my lists, but I don't know the points values for Primaris units very well at all because I haven't used them regularly in my lists. The knowledge I do have helps me right lists quicker.

This method does start to fall apart the minute you start playing more armies because of having more than one Codex, which is why for those who have more than one army, BattleScribe may work better for you for this reason if for no other.

I can build an army list in under 10 minutes... never had any major problems.

 IllumiNini wrote:

Infantryman wrote:

If you're points values are incorrect due to...

And there's the rub - it's there, you didn't see it even after you were told. So much for a double check!

Well I'm still waiting because you being a smart-ass isn't an answer to my question. Where's the spelling error?

You're should be your.

You're means you are, versus Your, as in Your Mama.


but on other things you are right. Spreadsheets are only as good as the person who writes them and ensures they are diligent in making sure they use the right info and double-checking their inputs.

Glinch wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:

Infantryman wrote:

If you're points values are incorrect due to...

And there's the rub - it's there, you didn't see it even after you were told. So much for a double check!

Well I'm still waiting because you being a smart-ass isn't an answer to my question. Where's the spelling error?

You're should be your.

You're means you are, versus Your, as in Your Mama.

Derpa derp derp. Thanks

Glinch wrote:
but on other things you are right. Spreadsheets are only as good as the person who writes them and ensures they are diligent in making sure they use the right info and double-checking their inputs.

Thanks for summing it up. Summing things up has never been my strong suit (Definitely part of why I sucked at writing essays, or maybe that was because I'm a Mathematician... ). But yeah, as long as you're ( ) diligent about it, you'll be fine. I hope you believe me when I say I'm more diligent about my numbers than I am about my spelling haha

It was right in the quote, dude.

Anyways, the point is, BattleScribe works. Use it if you like. Or don't, if you like.

M.

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's the best thing available. I also found this cool online list builder called HQbuilder but they are REALLY slow to update - plus it requires a internet connection. It's the next best thing though.

I just looked at this, but its rules for IG are screwed up completely.