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2017/11/20 18:19:42
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
I still have 130pts to fill, but no more HQ slots available, so I don't know what would be the best to add.
The idea for the list is to force enemies to shoot at the target I want them to shoot at because the bulk of the list is Characters and the Rangers are -2 to hit from outside 12". The Rangers can be sacrificed or I can use the 6s to hit Stratagem for 1 unit a turn and hide the others.
Obviously the Autarchs must get in close to be fully affective, but with 4++ and never allowing overwatch, they could pick and choose combats. I could even make 1 detachment Saim-Hann and make them the "first wave" of Autarchs to move forward and shoot/charge
Thoughts
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/11/20 18:20:25
Even though the Index is what is allowing me to take Banshee masks, I still have to use the codex rules for them. I'll find the chart..... Here it is:
Spoiler:
So I get to take Banshee masks and Reaper Launchers, but they have to use the rules/points from the Codex. Which works out because the Codex Banshee mask is way better and the Codex Reaper launcher is cheaper.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/11/20 19:22:26
Well, to be fair, the Banshee mask ignored overwatch prior to the 8E Index change. Many of the changes made in the 8E codex are actually restoring choices to what they did back in 7E or in other prior editions.
I can't figure out what to do with the remaining 130pts in the list. I'd like to keep this list at only 3 detahcments, so I can't take another Autarch, even though I'd like to. maybe I should take a Night Spinner to park out of LoS and shoot indirectly?
I've also thought about trading about a couple Skyrunners for Warp-jump Autarchs with Reaper launchers instead. That might buy just enough points for the Spinner
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/11/20 21:03:36
Two more units of rangers.
With only 3 units, your autarchs will get exposed pretty quickly, and multi-damage weapons can kill them quickly. Infiltrating some rangers mid-board will also deny deep-striking units from getting within 12" of your other units, which seems vital for your survival.
2017/11/20 21:49:12
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Why not grab some Farseers? Just for variety and support?
I thought about this and the only "support" a Farseer would give me is casting Fortune on whichever Autarch is closest to the enemy. It would also take another HQ slot, which I kinda don't want to do since the build of Autarch I'll be using is decent in long-ranged shooting and melee, while a Farseer is decent in neither phase.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Why not grab some Farseers? Just for variety and support?
I thought about this and the only "support" a Farseer would give me is casting Fortune on whichever Autarch is closest to the enemy. It would also take another HQ slot, which I kinda don't want to do since the build of Autarch I'll be using is decent in long-ranged shooting and melee, while a Farseer is decent in neither phase.
Well, they offer more than that. Smite, Mindwar, Doom and Executioner. BUT, I see your point as they are just more HQs.
If you are going forgeworld could take shadow spectres. They like the rangers will be -2 to hit from outside 12.
Alternatively, could take squads of swooping hawks. Leave them in reserve til needed them drop them down on objectives. Then can sky leap them back up to drop down turn 5 for objectives
2017/11/21 14:20:06
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
___Battalion + 2 Command detachments____
Farseer w/ Fortune & Doom (Faochu's wing)
12 Autarch Skyrunners w/ lance, launcher & mask
3x 5 Rangers
Night Spinner
-------------------------1980pts / 8CPs
What is the best use for the remaining 20pts? Vehicle upgrades for the Spinner?
For 1 HQ choice you could go with a warlock council on bikes, and maybe another HQ choice for a farseer with executioner.
Then you can use some nifty stratagems with them.
You made a nice, fun list, that will give your opponent some hard time.
2017/11/22 04:20:23
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
It gives me the 2 Hemlocks to add more DtW (although my area rarely has Psyker spam), also Jinx works pretty nice with the Reaper Launchers.
The Warp generator Autarchs deploy in cover with as much LoS as possible. The Saim-Hann Autarchs move forward to take advantage of the trait.
The only non-character models are -2 to hit
Thoughts?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/11/22 17:21:36
Call me crazy but I think this would be a great list to put an avatar in.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
2017/11/22 18:18:39
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
Xenomancers wrote: Call me crazy but I think this would be a great list to put an avatar in.
Crazy.
Why would you want to add a slow-moving big target to a highly agile, mobile list?
Well hes not really a big target - hes a 9 wound character. Not much use for command points in this list so he could respawn after dying in combat. You could use him to protect rangers who are realistically only going to die in CC.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
2017/11/22 18:48:00
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
If you want to do anything with the Avatar, you need things to help it. Him alone won't hold the line. So a bigger investment.
It'd be like footslogging an individual Dread with no weapons beyond 12" - if you don't have any other footslogging threats, its just not going to do anything.
2017/11/22 18:56:22
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
As much as I'd love to put my Avatar in a list, I haven't found them very useful since 6E (and even then only in casual lists). And as for using CPs, even with 8 and no "ideal" uses for them, I'll still likely run out of CPs but turn 3. I tend to use the re-roll Stratagem at least twice per player turn alone (not in the same phase of course). So using 3CP on anything is just too rich for my blue blood (or whatever color Eldar blood is) Also, I am likely to use the "Hit Rangers on 6 only" Stratagem every turn.
Do you guys have any thoughts on WL trait or Farseer powers? I want Doom for sure, but I am not sure what the best second power would be.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/11/22 18:57:10
Galef wrote: As much as I'd love to put my Avatar in a list, I haven't found them very useful since 6E (and even then only in casual lists).
And as for using CPs, even with 8 and no "ideal" uses for them, I'll still likely run out of CPs but turn 3. I tend to use the re-roll Stratagem at least twice per player turn alone (not in the same phase of course). So using 3CP on anything is just too rich for my blue blood (or whatever color Eldar blood is)
Also, I am likely to use the "Hit Rangers on 6 only" Stratagem every turn.
Do you guys have any thoughts on WL trait or Farseer powers? I want Doom for sure, but I am not sure what the best second power would be.
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Executioner IMO.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
2017/11/22 19:09:55
Subject: [2000] - Alaitoc Eldar - Autarchs and Rangers only
Galef wrote: As much as I'd love to put my Avatar in a list, I haven't found them very useful since 6E (and even then only in casual lists).
And as for using CPs, even with 8 and no "ideal" uses for them, I'll still likely run out of CPs but turn 3. I tend to use the re-roll Stratagem at least twice per player turn alone (not in the same phase of course). So using 3CP on anything is just too rich for my blue blood (or whatever color Eldar blood is)
Also, I am likely to use the "Hit Rangers on 6 only" Stratagem every turn.
Do you guys have any thoughts on WL trait or Farseer powers? I want Doom for sure, but I am not sure what the best second power would be.
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Throw a Shimmerplume on someone for that -2 goodness.
Isn't Shimmerplume a Relic? I already have Faolchu's wing to make the Farseer be able to keep up (didn't have points to put him on a Skyrunner)
I am thinking the best WL trait is probably the Sniper one. I already want my WL to be an Autarch to get the "restore a CP on a 6" part of his rule.
So I'll probably make an Autarch be my WL and make him be the super sniper.
Isn't Shimmerplume a Relic? I already have Faolchu's wing to make the Farseer be able to keep up (didn't have points to put him on a Skyrunner)
I am thinking the best WL trait is probably the Sniper one. I already want my WL to be an Autarch to get the "restore a CP on a 6" part of his rule.
So I'll probably make an Autarch be my WL and make him be the super sniper.
The best thing is that I already have the models to play this list using Shining Spears & Spiders for the Autarchs. Thanks for the great feedback gang!
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/11/22 19:45:46
Bharring wrote: Thats... not a lot of models to put on the board.
But that's the point. This should be a fast list to play and since I would never take it to a tourney, I can always know I won't be fighting hordes of Orks, Nids or Conscripts.
This is basically just a quick list to play against the many, many Marine players in my area.
let me get this straight. Can you use the index wargear options for an Autarch while using the new rules for him in the Codex? I.e. can he have the Reaper Launcher, but be your warlord and take from the codex warlord traits, and/or relics?
...that big sanction stamp of APPROVAL means it's OFFICIAL. No, I don't have to ask you for permission. D-cannons win games.
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