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Got my copy in - which is weird since I'm pretty certain it's not supposed to be released yet and my FLGS is rabid about obeying street dates.

I like the apoclypse section - the idea of bidding on timed deployments sounds fantastic. The rest of the book feels like it should be a couple White Dwarf articles instead of a seperate book. The VDR is everything I'd hoped for, but only valid for land raiders and open play, leaving me out in the cold since the FLGS only does matched play. The index faction buffs are nice, but probably didn't need a whole book just for that.

The point cost changes are weird. We were all but promised a Smite spam fix, but only a handful of psykers got a point cost increase and there is no change to how the power works.

I get that this is a all-but mandatory purchase so GW doesn't need to provide much beyond the point costs, but some fluff or hobby material would have been nice. I feel like I paid 35USD for a 10USD book.Not looking forward to next years Chapter Approved.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Got my copy in - which is weird since I'm pretty certain it's not supposed to be released yet and my FLGS is rabid about obeying street dates.

I like the apoclypse section - the idea of bidding on timed deployments sounds fantastic. The rest of the book feels like it should be a couple White Dwarf articles instead of a seperate book. The VDR is everything I'd hoped for, but only valid for land raiders and open play, leaving me out in the cold since the FLGS only does matched play. The index faction buffs are nice, but probably didn't need a whole book just for that.

The point cost changes are weird. We were all but promised a Smite spam fix, but only a handful of psykers got a point cost increase and there is no change to how the power works.

I get that this is a all-but mandatory purchase so GW doesn't need to provide much beyond the point costs, but some fluff or hobby material would have been nice. I feel like I paid 35USD for a 10USD book.Not looking forward to next years Chapter Approved.

Anything interesting on terrain rules changes?

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I like the apoclypse section - the idea of bidding on timed deployments sounds fantastic.

Bidding on deployment time was in the original Apocalypse rulebook.


Hooray for innovation!

I think an apocalypse rule set was needed. For this alone, i'll probably buy the book. My narrative campaigns need apoc games, they're tons of fun and drive major story arcs. Especially when you impose a time limit. Finish your turn in 20 minutes or start suffering d3 mortal wounds to every unit on the table. The game goes fast and feels very harrowing and pressured. But it looks like they came up with some rules to speed up the game, so i'm looking forward to it.

And the points increases for some things was absolutely critical.

Malefic lords, ans psykers in general, are being totally abused. Primaris Psykers should have doubled in price, though. Nothing should have full smite for less than 50 points. It's still ridiculous that they're only 46.

I'm okay with some of the point changes for guard, but they should have been more. Artillery is simply too strong in 8th edition, and really takes a lot of tactics out of the game. Especially with how spammable it is now. Manticores and Wyverns only going up like 10 points? A joke.

I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

The main problem with artillery seems to be the non-mobile version because they are dirt cheap. You can complain about 110 pts wyverns, but tournament players are going to keep fielding their 25pt discount on using the Earthshaker carriage and battery versions. Seriously, the Earthshaker battery is what ? 70ish pts now?

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

The main problem with artillery seems to be the non-mobile version because they are dirt cheap. You can complain about 110 pts wyverns, but tournament players are going to keep fielding their 25pt discount on using the Earthshaker carriage and battery versions. Seriously, the Earthshaker battery is what ? 70ish pts now?

The FW non-mobile versions were updated in CA to now be *more* than their more resilient and mobile Codex chimera-hull based alternatives. Nobody is going to be using them, they got hammered into oblivion.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

The main problem with artillery seems to be the non-mobile version because they are dirt cheap. You can complain about 110 pts wyverns, but tournament players are going to keep fielding their 25pt discount on using the Earthshaker carriage and battery versions. Seriously, the Earthshaker battery is what ? 70ish pts now?

I think they went up to like 105 or 115 or something - essentially the same as a basilisk. Though I could be mistaken.

GW confirmed that the Smite fix will come with March's FAQ.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

Implementing the rule of one for smite would screw over Thousand Sons and make Grey Knights even more of a non-army than they already are. No thanks.

 Galas wrote:
GW confirmed that the Smite fix will come with March's FAQ.

Just out of curiosity, where was that? Did they give any more details?

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Galas wrote:
GW confirmed that the Smite fix will come with March's FAQ.

Just out of curiosity, where was that? Did they give any more details?

Yeah I'd like to hear that too, All I know is that there is supposed to be some balance upodate in march via warhammer Tv.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

Implementing the rule of one for smite would screw over Thousand Sons and make Grey Knights even more of a non-army than they already are. No thanks.

Honestly Grey Knights are a total joke outside of 1 model, i wouldn't consider them for the purpose of balancing real armies.

I genuinely don't mean to upset Grey Knights players - they are one of my favorite armies - I would play them all the time if they weren't total ass - but at this point, you're really just waiting for 9th edition. Sorry.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

Implementing the rule of one for smite would screw over Thousand Sons and make Grey Knights even more of a non-army than they already are. No thanks.

Honestly Grey Knights are a total joke outside of 1 model, i wouldn't consider them for the purpose of balancing real armies.

I genuinely don't mean to upset Grey Knights players - they are one of my favorite armies - I would play them all the time if they weren't total ass - but at this point, you're really just waiting for 9th edition. Sorry.

You didn't hurt our feelings; we know.

Earth127 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Galas wrote:
GW confirmed that the Smite fix will come with March's FAQ.

Just out of curiosity, where was that? Did they give any more details?

Yeah I'd like to hear that too, All I know is that there is supposed to be some balance upodate in march via warhammer Tv.

They confirmed it on their Twitch. Theres no more info. Just "Smite fix will come with March FAQ"

For right now our campaign fix is simply "you get smite once per turn like all powers".

Or you could have only the first casting counts as mortal wounds.

Well, the "Smite Fix" is heavily rumored to be a max of 3/turn, so that's probably the best way to limit it since it'll likely be the real fix come March.

Top meme of the day is bumping Gulliman by 5 pts. Stupid.

Wayniac wrote:
Well, the "Smite Fix" is heavily rumored to be a max of 3/turn, so that's probably the best way to limit it since it'll likely be the real fix come March.

Hmm. I hope they don't count little smites in that figure.

stewe128 wrote:
Top meme of the day is bumping Gulliman by 5 pts. Stupid.

He went up 25 points IIRC

I'd imagine they won't because it would hurt Grey Knights and Thousand Sons, etc. So I'd imagine that sub-Smite powers would remain normal.

Daedalus81 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Well, the "Smite Fix" is heavily rumored to be a max of 3/turn, so that's probably the best way to limit it since it'll likely be the real fix come March.

Hmm. I hope they don't count little smites in that figure.

There is no earthly reason why a squad of Paladins, 10 strong, at almost 600 points, is dealing 1 smite moral wound. That's obscene. 50% more than Magnus for 1 damn mortal wound.

Grey Knights are in a really bad place.

GW needs to do something about them. If this is supposed to be the balanced edition, this really shouldn't stand.

Well, this thread has been pretty much killed off at this point. Thanks, Unit!

stewe128 wrote:
Top meme of the day is bumping Gulliman by 5 pts. Stupid.

Guilliman lists are strong but not nearly as strong as Chaos / Guard, or even Eldar at this point. This balance adjustment seems inappropriate to be honest. I don't understand why Guilliman lists (assault cannons, ravens, etc) received a price nerf so significant when they're not even as dominant as the other factions. Strange.




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 Fafnir wrote:
Well, this thread has been pretty much killed off at this point. Thanks, Unit!

Three baneblades or riot

 Galas wrote:
GW confirmed that the Smite fix will come with March's FAQ.

I wonder if we'll see the infantry squad point costs raised to 5 pts per model also.

 Esmer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
GW confirmed that the Smite fix will come with March's FAQ.

I wonder if we'll see the infantry squad point costs raised to 5 pts per model also.

One can only hope

I half-wonder if the March Smite fix is a confirmation of the September Smite fix.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

Implementing the rule of one for smite would screw over Thousand Sons and make Grey Knights even more of a non-army than they already are. No thanks.

I don't know about Grey Knights, but thousand sons just got the ability to replace smite with a better non-smite psyhic attack. I don't think they'd be affected.

Are you referring to Tzeentch's Firestorm? That actually got math'd out to do less damage-per-cast than even the gakky rubric smite because of the awful WC 7. Also I'm pretty sure you can't replace smite with it so rubrics wouldn't be able to take it anyways.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I still think we need a mechanic fix for smite instead of point values. Right now a lot of support psykers are only worth it as smite batteries. If Smite was a once a turn thing (like certain other stratagems and physic powers), for example, I think we'd do much better because the point balancing would be simpler.

Implementing the rule of one for smite would screw over Thousand Sons and make Grey Knights even more of a non-army than they already are. No thanks.

Honestly Grey Knights are a total joke outside of 1 model, i wouldn't consider them for the purpose of balancing real armies.

I genuinely don't mean to upset Grey Knights players - they are one of my favorite armies - I would play them all the time if they weren't total ass - but at this point, you're really just waiting for 9th edition. Sorry.

I mean saying they're in a bad place in 8th, is like saying they were op in 5th. We know.