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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 17:31:25
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Wolfblade wrote:While SM aren't bottom tier like Necrons/tau, they're not top tier without those three units you mentioned.
Do you have a point somewhere in that bucket of whine? Guard aren't top tier without their artillery, which got nerfed-- and then almost all of their other, not quite top tier units got nerfed alongside the artillery, a couple of which got nerfed in to uselessness. You just called 99% of your codex trash.
And yet people accuse me of being the marine-hater. Jesus Fething Christ....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 17:37:05
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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I can't help but compare it to x-wing, the starter is £25-£30 and any further rules come with the models.
All the FAQ are free and released on a regular basis.
Gw on the other paw is going to charge you every six months to fix their mistakes.
And let's make no bones about it this book is meant to be fixing stuff they messed up.
Any idiot should of known this was already shaky ground and made sure stuff that needed help got it to make the pill less bitter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 17:37:24
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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JNAProductions wrote:pm713 wrote: Azreal13 wrote:
You know, that was my response to people when they were grumbling about indexes as new codexes were rolled out much quicker than many expected.
But, were I to buy CA, which is looking pretty shakey right now, we're talking
New Rules £35
New Index £15
New FW Index £15
New Codex £25
CA £20.
So that's potentially £110 on rules in less than 6 months for one army. Daemons are due shortly and if I want to be able to play them, then that's another £25.
"Just get it from Reddit" isn't really a valid counter, as "just take it" can be applied to pretty much anything, and I always buy at discount, but that only saves so much.
Do you really need all of that? From what I remember 8th was being hyped up as way cheaper ruleswise.
Yes, you do. You definitely need the BRB, if you wanted to play immediately and/or have any old units, you need the Index, if you have any Forgeworld models, you need the Forgeworld Index, if your Codex came out before CA, you need both the Dex and CA.
Damn. I remember just needing two or three things. Not about five.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 20:53:57
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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pm713 wrote:
Do you really need all of that? From what I remember 8th was being hyped up as way cheaper ruleswise.
It was and it could have been, but GW decided not to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 20:59:42
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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DarkBlack wrote:pm713 wrote:
Do you really need all of that? From what I remember 8th was being hyped up as way cheaper ruleswise.
It was and it could have been, but GW decided not to.
Well GW possess wisdom and sight beyond our knowledge....or they just make weird decisions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 21:18:57
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Melissia wrote: Wolfblade wrote:While SM aren't bottom tier like Necrons/tau, they're not top tier without those three units you mentioned.
Do you have a point somewhere in that bucket of whine? Guard aren't top tier without their artillery, which got nerfed-- and then almost all of their other, not quite top tier units got nerfed alongside the artillery, a couple of which got nerfed in to uselessness. You just called 99% of your codex trash.
And yet people accuse me of being the marine-hater. Jesus Fething Christ....
And you avoided the point and have yet to point at any specific unit that got a massive buff and is suddenly became the new hot thing for SM to take that'll repalce assbacks/girlyman/stormravens
And so what? Necrons and Tau ARE bottom tier. outside of gun drones/commanders/y'vahra Tau are pretty bad, but that's not relevant really, I was just using it as an example.
(also, guard arty didn't get nerfed, the basilisk stayed the same, while the earthshaker arty platform got nerfed iirc)
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DQ:90S++G++M----B--I+Pw40k07+D+++A+++/areWD-R+DM+
bittersashes wrote:One guy down at my gaming club swore he saw an objective flag take out a full unit of Bane Thralls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 21:21:24
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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I'm just curious, out of all the people commenting here, how many of you have actually bought or fully read Chapter Approved 2017?
The one point I will agree on is that the changes made to the Codices which have already been released should be included in an FAQ. But CA2017 contains more than a few points/balance changes.
Anyway, said my 2 pence, I'll get back to my painting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 21:50:37
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Courageous Beastmaster
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I think the only stuff that should be free is the points, and maybe the semi-codex stuff if the codex is far enough out (like say 3+ months) otherwise just a waste of time really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/03 22:37:23
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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The price adjustments and the index expansions should have been free. Both are addendum to things we've already paid for, and in the case of the index expansions, are still patently incomplete.
Instead, GW holds them hostage by putting them with a full book. The adjustments (as awful as most of them are), expansions, and content of Chapter Approved itself would likely have been far better received had GW made that addendum content free.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 00:20:51
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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The joke is that we all complain but 99% of you will buy CA rather than holding off until the codex. If CA sold poorly then it might make GW think twice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 03:25:17
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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Considering all I might need amounts to a couple of lines, I'll likely just copy the adjustments and expansions I actually intend on using from a copy someone else at the FLGS ends up buying onto a sheet of loose-leaf and calling it a day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 03:31:41
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Audustum wrote: Overread wrote:So after years of saying we'd pay for better rules and balance support from GW we'll turn around and say that, actually, we'd rather not?
GW isn't a new start-up company which can factor in free rules releases into their pricing structure and which likely has the rules writer also being the company manager or any one of a half dozen other roles in the company. GW is a larger company with larger overheads who are making a larger investment in staff time to refine rules after the community has requested/screamed for them.
Also we already know that after this big hump that is the initial release of 8th edition they'll shift toward a 6 month review pattern.
Heck at this stage we don't even know if GW is even going to release a 9th edition. They could easily just make 8th edition THE edition and shift into a continual rolling update of balance adjustments; collating it all together every few years with updated codex releases (which also come with fluff and such too).
Seeing as Grey Knights didn't GET any notable balance support I can say yes, yes I am fully comfortable not buying this. Pass.
Implying Grey Knights need balance support.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 05:39:21
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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I just downloaded and printed the leaked points pages. All I care about. I refuse to pay for a couple pages of point updates when I already own the codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 06:14:13
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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I've just been reading through the missions now, and although my gaming group pretty much exclusively plays Maelstrom, the new Eternal War missions seem great, especially the Resupply Drop and Scorched Earth missions.
Guys, the koolaid tastes fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 06:38:44
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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You can count me as one of the people who bought chapter approved and is severely disappointed with it. Enough has been said about the poor points balancing and mediocre faction updates that I agree with but I want to talk quickly about how terrible the rest of the book is.
I was looking forward to new missions, new battlezones, new terrain rules, and Apocalypses and what I got was a bunch of copy pasted or half thought out rulesets..
Lets start with everything that I know is a copy paste job. All of the datasheets for fortifications are just copied from the Imperium 2 book so that's a good 10 pages of pointlessness. Then there is my favorite example, the Empyric storms which literally tell you to use the data cards they made for them in 7th edition. Guess I'm glad I kept my empyric storms deck although I wasn't really waiting for GW's permission to use it again. Most of the narrative missions are either direct copy pastes from other sources or so heavily influenced it makes you wonder why they didn't just copy and paste them.
Then there are the things that reek so much of low effort it's offensive. The "build your own land raider" is probably the worst offender in this category since any play group that will let you play with those rules probably would have been okay to let you slap 8 lascannons on your land raider to begin with. As if it wasn't insulting enough to give us rules that might as well have the 3rd edition "you can only take this with your opponents permission" tag on them,. but then they dedicate 9 pages of the book to that drivel.,
And then there are all the pages dedicated to "organizing events"like the ladder campaign and apocalypse games. I suppose there are probably some people who don't realize that you should find a place to play and tell people when to show up but I'm guessing those people probably aren't going to be nominated in their friend group to be organizing events anyways. I could be wrong as events in my area are fairly well organized but it probably could have just had a paragraph at the beginning section saying "have you ever been involved in a work meeting or school project.... just do that." What's worse is it doesn't even present any new rules for playing apocalypse games. It's literally just 8th edition but bigger and all three of the missions are actually the same mission (as far as objectives go.) Gee, I never would have thought of "each objective marker is worth a point and each titanic unit destroyed is a point.It. I guess you could mark that down for another copy paste from every apocalypse ever.
This whole thing is just such an obvious cash grab to me it makes me far angrier than anything they published in 7th edition. People complained about there being too many books in 7th to keep up but you didn't actually have to own many of those books. You could easily play the game with just the rule book and your faction codex. Everything you needed was between those two books and everything else was optional supplements. Could you imagine how Irate people would have been if they had published Curse of the Wulfen with mandatory points changes in it? People would have lost their minds over the blatant cash grab.
I was really hopeful for 8th edition and I still think it has the potential to be a good game system but this book is just so low effort it has really put me off from wanting to support GW for the moment. I for sure wont be buying next years chapter approved unless they really turn this rules release effort around.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 12:35:44
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Even after reading I had no idea how much was copy and paste untol I saw your post above. This is crazy! But I geuss it's GW so we'll just give them a pass...
Seriously though... this is like if Call Of Duty (I don't play that game so I'm guessing what they might do) brings out a patch that makes assualt rifles fire slightly faster but then charged everyone £20 to use them!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 12:37:58
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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As I'm primarily a DKoK-player, I'm really on the fence here.
The point adjustments have already been leaked weeks ago, and from what I can gather, there's not much else I need to know, and as far as I can tell, there's nothing in this book that I want.
I suggest we all take part in the "Big Community Survey", there are several sections in it for feedback. I've already let them know I disapprove of being asked to pay for point adjustments, since I believe they should be available for free, and I invite you to do the same.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 12:40:44
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Fresh-Faced New User
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CA includes a lot of content, most of which most players will never use. I thinks it’s obvious that that content is padding to justify a $38 price. So you are in effect paying $38 for 3-4 pages if content you want, and 50+ pages most are indifferent to. I regret buying it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 12:51:34
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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fithos wrote:You can count me as one of the people who bought chapter approved and is severely disappointed with it. Enough has been said about the poor points balancing and mediocre faction updates that I agree with but I want to talk quickly about how terrible the rest of the book is.
I was looking forward to new missions, new battlezones, new terrain rules, and Apocalypses and what I got was a bunch of copy pasted or half thought out rulesets..
Lets start with everything that I know is a copy paste job. All of the datasheets for fortifications are just copied from the Imperium 2 book so that's a good 10 pages of pointlessness. Then there is my favorite example, the Empyric storms which literally tell you to use the data cards they made for them in 7th edition. Guess I'm glad I kept my empyric storms deck although I wasn't really waiting for GW's permission to use it again. Most of the narrative missions are either direct copy pastes from other sources or so heavily influenced it makes you wonder why they didn't just copy and paste them.
Then there are the things that reek so much of low effort it's offensive. The "build your own land raider" is probably the worst offender in this category since any play group that will let you play with those rules probably would have been okay to let you slap 8 lascannons on your land raider to begin with. As if it wasn't insulting enough to give us rules that might as well have the 3rd edition "you can only take this with your opponents permission" tag on them,. but then they dedicate 9 pages of the book to that drivel.,
And then there are all the pages dedicated to "organizing events"like the ladder campaign and apocalypse games. I suppose there are probably some people who don't realize that you should find a place to play and tell people when to show up but I'm guessing those people probably aren't going to be nominated in their friend group to be organizing events anyways. I could be wrong as events in my area are fairly well organized but it probably could have just had a paragraph at the beginning section saying "have you ever been involved in a work meeting or school project.... just do that." What's worse is it doesn't even present any new rules for playing apocalypse games. It's literally just 8th edition but bigger and all three of the missions are actually the same mission (as far as objectives go.) Gee, I never would have thought of "each objective marker is worth a point and each titanic unit destroyed is a point.It. I guess you could mark that down for another copy paste from every apocalypse ever.
This whole thing is just such an obvious cash grab to me it makes me far angrier than anything they published in 7th edition. People complained about there being too many books in 7th to keep up but you didn't actually have to own many of those books. You could easily play the game with just the rule book and your faction codex. Everything you needed was between those two books and everything else was optional supplements. Could you imagine how Irate people would have been if they had published Curse of the Wulfen with mandatory points changes in it? People would have lost their minds over the blatant cash grab.
I was really hopeful for 8th edition and I still think it has the potential to be a good game system but this book is just so low effort it has really put me off from wanting to support GW for the moment. I for sure wont be buying next years chapter approved unless they really turn this rules release effort around.
Well that's even worse than I thought its not always good to be right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 12:54:35
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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fithos wrote:And then there are all the pages dedicated to "organizing events"like the ladder campaign and apocalypse games. I suppose there are probably some people who don't realize that you should find a place to play and tell people when to show up but I'm guessing those people probably aren't going to be nominated in their friend group to be organizing events anyways. I could be wrong as events in my area are fairly well organized but it probably could have just had a paragraph at the beginning section saying "have you ever been involved in a work meeting or school project.... just do that." What's worse is it doesn't even present any new rules for playing apocalypse games. It's literally just 8th edition but bigger and all three of the missions are actually the same mission (as far as objectives go.) Gee, I never would have thought of "each objective marker is worth a point and each titanic unit destroyed is a point.It. I guess you could mark that down for another copy paste from every apocalypse ever.
Are the non- apoc scenarios any good? That's literally the only thing I have any interest or need for. Though seeing we play custom scenarios most of the time mostly just as ideas for variety but better than nothing. Rest of the additional stuff sounds one I don't need and tournaments aren't my interest so the point updates I'll skip.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 13:17:10
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Azreal13 wrote:
Oh pull the other one.
This isn't about absolute cost, it's about relative cost. Show me another game which would require this much spend for just the rules with no components or game aids?
I can't give you any examples beyond the one I know of: Infinity
To use the example of Infinity? There's a free army builder, free rules online...but basically no fluff exists to discuss the factions in-depth that is readily available for free. And they come down hard on people posting that stuff on their forums. When Human Sphere's second edition came out, we were told that we couldn't post pictures or retype the fluff on the forums for two months. There wasn't even spoilers to be concerned about. They just wanted to drive people to buy the books.
So if you wanted to read the fluff? You're paying $69 each for two different two book sets that give you the rules(with many, many errors that had to be errata'd...the rulebooks are basically useless two or three months after release because of errata/"clarifications") and fluff. That's $138USD for fluff.
Not counting if you want Campaign: Paradiso(which is a third fluff/gaming book that is outdated and slated to be replaced "Soon( tm)..." and no longer available from many webstores as CB isn't replacing it for them. That was another $50 or so book.) to round out the fluff material and know what's going on with the setting. Automatically Appended Next Post: JNAProductions wrote:
Yes, you do. You definitely need the BRB, if you wanted to play immediately and/or have any old units, you need the Index, if you have any Forgeworld models, you need the Forgeworld Index, if your Codex came out before CA, you need both the Dex and CA.
Just so we're clear:
It's not a super common occurrence that you need to bring the whole of the Index with you. In many cases it's a thing that you could literally cut out of the Index and put into your Codex as a sheet of paper.
You also only need Chapter Approved if playing Points. Power was untouched.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 13:25:52
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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tneva82 wrote:fithos wrote:And then there are all the pages dedicated to "organizing events"like the ladder campaign and apocalypse games. I suppose there are probably some people who don't realize that you should find a place to play and tell people when to show up but I'm guessing those people probably aren't going to be nominated in their friend group to be organizing events anyways. I could be wrong as events in my area are fairly well organized but it probably could have just had a paragraph at the beginning section saying "have you ever been involved in a work meeting or school project.... just do that." What's worse is it doesn't even present any new rules for playing apocalypse games. It's literally just 8th edition but bigger and all three of the missions are actually the same mission (as far as objectives go.) Gee, I never would have thought of "each objective marker is worth a point and each titanic unit destroyed is a point.It. I guess you could mark that down for another copy paste from every apocalypse ever.
Are the non- apoc scenarios any good? That's literally the only thing I have any interest or need for. Though seeing we play custom scenarios most of the time mostly just as ideas for variety but better than nothing. Rest of the additional stuff sounds one I don't need and tournaments aren't my interest so the point updates I'll skip.
IMO the matched play missions are significantly better than the 8th edition book missions. Now if you always play ITC, ETC, NOVA etc. missions they may not be as much of a bid deal. Most of them are far more likely to encourage player interaction than the standard book missions which far too often encourage gunline + last turn objective grab. The one thing I wish they would have done away with is that tabling = auto win.
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Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Breng77 wrote:IMO the matched play missions are significantly better than the 8th edition book missions. Now if you always play ITC, ETC, NOVA etc. missions they may not be as much of a bid deal. Most of them are far more likely to encourage player interaction than the standard book missions which far too often encourage gunline + last turn objective grab. The one thing I wish they would have done away with is that tabling = auto win.
Well that's good.
Are there any asymmetric scenarios? Personal preference of mine.
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I think the worst thing GW will conclude if CA sells poorly is not "we did that wrong but fundamentally the idea is sound" but rather "welp, yearly updates won't sell well. Time to call the whole thing off!"
Because making weird and inexplicable decisions seems to be a GW thing.
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As a narrative player I give zero damns about the points section of CA and those might as well not exist for me anyway.
The points update make up about a handful of pages out of the entire book. There is a lot of material in CA that makes it worth buying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 16:07:57
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Unit1126PLL wrote:I think the worst thing GW will conclude if CA sells poorly is not "we did that wrong but fundamentally the idea is sound" but rather "welp, yearly updates won't sell well. Time to call the whole thing off!"
Because making weird and inexplicable decisions seems to be a GW thing.
They're a lot like that mathammer people. They look at numbers rather than the whole picture.
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Unit1126PLL wrote:I think the worst thing GW will conclude if CA sells poorly is not "we did that wrong but fundamentally the idea is sound" but rather "welp, yearly updates won't sell well. Time to call the whole thing off!"
Because making weird and inexplicable decisions seems to be a GW thing.
In the event of such a scenario (unlikely though it is) GW would actually have a failure in CA to compare to the success of AoS' General's Handbook - and yeah, at the prospect of a $30 yearly reinvestment commitment from all active players I expect they'd be more inclined to fix it than abandon the model. Automatically Appended Next Post: hobojebus wrote:I can't help but compare it to x-wing, the starter is £25-£30 and any further rules come with the models.
All the FAQ are free and released on a regular basis.
Gw on the other paw is going to charge you every six months to fix their mistakes.
The thing about X-wing is that those rules that come with the new ships don't just apply to those ships, or even just that ship's faction, so someone playing X-wing competitively (or even just actively) is picking up 3-4 packs every wave, not necessarily ships they're going to fly, not including backtracking when former garbage gets buffed.
Its actually a pretty efficient money-maker.
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Captain Joystick wrote: Unit1126PLL wrote:I think the worst thing GW will conclude if CA sells poorly is not "we did that wrong but fundamentally the idea is sound" but rather "welp, yearly updates won't sell well. Time to call the whole thing off!"
Because making weird and inexplicable decisions seems to be a GW thing.
In the event of such a scenario (unlikely though it is) GW would actually have a failure in CA to compare to the success of AoS' General's Handbook - and yeah, at the prospect of a $30 yearly reinvestment commitment from all active players I expect they'd be more inclined to fix it than abandon the model.
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hobojebus wrote:I can't help but compare it to x-wing, the starter is £25-£30 and any further rules come with the models.
All the FAQ are free and released on a regular basis.
Gw on the other paw is going to charge you every six months to fix their mistakes.
The thing about X-wing is that those rules that come with the new ships don't just apply to those ships, or even just that ship's faction, so someone playing X-wing competitively (or even just actively) is picking up 3-4 packs every wave, not necessarily ships they're going to fly, not including backtracking when former garbage gets buffed.
Its actually a pretty efficient money-maker.
Only tournament players need everything I've never heard of anyone objecting to proxies in casual play because its super easy to find the cards rules be it on a wikki or a squad builder.
And yes it costs tournament players more but its still cheaper than 40k you can collect all three factions for the cost of one 40k army, mainly because your not forced into paying £100 just on rule books before you pick up a model.
All companies are there to make money its a given, what's important is perceived value.
I can spend £40-50 and have a full fleet for x-wing, I've spent far more but I could of stopped at wave four and still enjoy the game in a casual setting.
Even discounting the BRB I have to buy a codex to start a 40k army which is half the initial buy in of x-wing, then you might need CA meaning you've almost equalled the x-wing player and have yet to buy a model, then when you do buy one you can't instantly use it because you need to buy clippers and glue, then there's paint etc.
So when gw put out poor rules and have the nerve to charge that's salt in the wound for many of us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 18:18:12
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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tneva82 wrote:Breng77 wrote:IMO the matched play missions are significantly better than the 8th edition book missions. Now if you always play ITC, ETC, NOVA etc. missions they may not be as much of a bid deal. Most of them are far more likely to encourage player interaction than the standard book missions which far too often encourage gunline + last turn objective grab. The one thing I wish they would have done away with is that tabling = auto win.
Well that's good.
Are there any asymmetric scenarios? Personal preference of mine.
Not really a mission summary would be
All have normal 3 secondaries
Eternal war 1 - 4 objectives. 2 within 12" of center and not near deployment zones, 1 in each players deployment zone. The one in your opponents deployment zone is worth the most, followed by neutral followed by your own. So to win you need to move out of your deployment zone. All scored end of game.
EW 2 - 6 objectives on turn 3 player 1 picks 3, 2 of which are removed at random. Then player 2 does so with the other 3. Then these are scored at game end
ew 3 -progressive objectives but you can destroy objectives in your opponents deployment zone if you gain control of them.
ew 4 - Progressive objectives + kill points
Ew5 - 3 progressive objectives on the centerline of the table (more or less) - characters get obsec and bonuses for controlling, for multiple turns.
ew 6 - 3 objectives 1 at table center, army split into 3 parts and randomly determine which one gets to start on the table, the others come in later
The rest are maelstrom with interesting twists on cards.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/04 18:24:19
Subject: Chapter Approved Should have been a free PDF!
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Yeah points update probably should of and could of been free. but its really not that big of a deal.
its not that big of a purchase twice a year. and its not like half of the people here isnt just going to cheese it out of battle scribe anyway.
the missions seem cool.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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