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2017/12/01 13:08:01
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
The highest-spenders are the ones they can probably safely ignore. If I've said I only spend twenty quid every month or so, and then later say "but I'd really be interested in buying this, that and the other, if they were available", that's probably worth looking at.
2017/12/01 13:15:13
Subject: Re:Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
I asked to throw the other factions a bone. I understand Space Marines and Stormcast are probably their most sold kits, but give the other factions a chance! Each and every month is a constant release of one or both of these 2.
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2017/12/01 15:17:22
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
The only way the stuff about sculpts in that last paragraph is true is if you linked to the wrong websites.
Perhaps personal opinion then. Nothing GW is really amazing. Skulls everywhere and everything completely out of proportion. The old Tau stealth suits looked better than the new, and the best suits are Forgeworld. Marines generally are pretty good, but mostly due to large flat surfaces.
Most of their (GW) work tends to be overly chunky any more.
While still a bit out of proportion, most historical figs are much better scaled to themselves.
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Aventine also does some really nice republican romans.
Fireforge are at least as good as Empire troops, and look less 'blobby'.
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The sprue you linked is from Victrix is from their first 3 Ancient Greek sets. I have them, while nice, they are not of the same level as current GW sprues. Victrix latest sprues are much better. I.e their IE Roman Auxilliary set.
Anyway, I love historicals and I am huge fan of Victrix and Perry. Fireforge mini's are not very impressive compared with Victrix or Perry. Anyway their plastic designs and how they go together aren't comparable to what the newest GW plastic kits achieve.
I collect more historicals than GW, but in 28 - 32 mm "plastics" GW is number 1.
The only way the stuff about sculpts in that last paragraph is true is if you linked to the wrong websites.
Perhaps personal opinion then. Nothing GW is really amazing. Skulls everywhere and everything completely out of proportion. The old Tau stealth suits looked better than the new, and the best suits are Forgeworld. Marines generally are pretty good, but mostly due to large flat surfaces.
Most of their (GW) work tends to be overly chunky any more.
While still a bit out of proportion, most historical figs are much better scaled to themselves.
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Aventine also does some really nice republican romans.
Fireforge are at least as good as Empire troops, and look less 'blobby'.
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2017/12/01 16:42:11
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
The only way the stuff about sculpts in that last paragraph is true is if you linked to the wrong websites.
Perhaps personal opinion then. Nothing GW is really amazing. Skulls everywhere and everything completely out of proportion. The old Tau stealth suits looked better than the new, and the best suits are Forgeworld. Marines generally are pretty good, but mostly due to large flat surfaces.
Most of their (GW) work tends to be overly chunky any more.
While still a bit out of proportion, most historical figs are much better scaled to themselves.
Spoiler:
Aventine also does some really nice republican romans.
Fireforge are at least as good as Empire troops, and look less 'blobby'.
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While I very much prefer the realistic side of scaling myself, I think it's a bit unfair to criticize GW for their chosen style instead of, say, asking for designs to be consistent within that style. Tomb Kings and Dwarfs come to mind as armies that got an unneeded style change with their last army book (even though I like the new Ironbreakers just fine, by themselves). Dwarfs got embiggened and Tomb Kings' stylings looked more akin to Mayan than Egyptian stuff.
Just saying. Not knocking your opinion or anything. I often wish GW did a more realistic style myself, and it seems they're willing to do that with female models in general and the new Escher in particular.
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2017/12/01 17:24:22
Subject: Re:Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
I didn't. I mentioned them several times along with a super heavy tyranid in plastic. I want a sisters release on par with the Dark Eldar release years ago. If I remember correctly that was one of their best releases in a long time.
2017/12/01 18:37:03
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
sockwithaticket wrote: They asked us how much we buy from them annually. I'd be astonished if they paid any attention to those who fell outside the two highest options.
The people who are already giving you their money are already giving you their money, but that doesn't tell you what you did wrong to make people stop giving you money, despite still caring enough about your IP to spend half an hour filling in a survey.
I brought up the Australia tax (55% on the new Eschers), the lack of plastic Sisters of Battle and suggested putting the Gorkamorka rules back on their site as an easy way to add value to Ork sales. Apart from that, mostly generic stuff for somebody who has been out of the market since they put the embargo in place.
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2017/12/01 20:00:40
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
There’s a good point there, hopefully a lot of ex-players here and around the Internet will take the time to fill it out and explain why they left and what would bring them back.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2017/12/01 21:10:19
Subject: Re:Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
I'm one who hasn't been active for many years in the hobby. I've been constantly following the big changes though and been aware of new editions. My biggest love in science fiction is 40k.
My biggest offput is how GW manages their rules. Books that come out always on wrong intervals and they make erratas to them as soon as the new books are out. I was quite disappointed that they put up erratas one week after release... Also the upcoming Chapter Approved is annoying because it's partly an errata that costs €€€.
I would hope that GW put out all the rules and codices and whatnot on their website for free and keep them up to date. This would make returning much easier. I'm not sure, but I think this would not lessen their revenues too much. I think hobbyists have their average €/month that they put into the hobby. Instead of rules the income would come from more miniatures / stories sales. I can very well be wrong on this one too.
Otherwise I'm quite happy on the price level of the minis and the stuff from Black Library. The quality of the minis on almost every new release is stunning.
ps. another point is also the time it takes to paint an army and play 40k games. Smaller skirmish size games are easier to start with, where Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon and Blood Bowl are great.
2017/12/01 21:38:50
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
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2017/12/01 22:30:13
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
I almost criticized price and then looked at how much I spent annually and figured they'd just wave that away. So I went after proof reading and match play balance.
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2017/12/01 23:09:27
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
Albino Squirrel wrote: I sure hope they ignore all the terrible suggestions about bringing back the old world. Or squats.
I hope they listen to the suggestions about the old world. That is the only way they are going to get me back to playing their fantasy line. Seriously, if I wanted to play the bahagvita I would prefer it to be as such and not in a low magic filled world where gun powder is just as viable offence as magic is. Where hero's die instead of being 're-born' again and again till there is nothing original left about them. Then again, it is a crap shoot to say the least. The only way now that I can see it brought back is a complete destruction of the future of AoS and they bring the current models back in time to right before the end times and change the future, after all time is wonky with the warp. I don't mind a rehash of the rules closer to warhammer 8th edition, I just want the world I grew up in the hobby in to return, to have death mean something in that world, not to have the gods be present in every day life. On that day I will return to Warhammer Fantasy Battles as a full supporter.
Till then I will without a doubt direct every person who asks about Age of Sigmar to Kings of War, to Frost Grave, to Vanguard to every other game but AoS.
2017/12/01 23:48:33
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
Albino Squirrel wrote: I sure hope they ignore all the terrible suggestions about bringing back the old world. Or squats.
I hope they listen to the suggestions about the old world. That is the only way they are going to get me back to playing their fantasy line. Seriously, if I wanted to play the bahagvita I would prefer it to be as such and not in a low magic filled world where gun powder is just as viable offence as magic is. Where hero's die instead of being 're-born' again and again till there is nothing original left about them. Then again, it is a crap shoot to say the least. The only way now that I can see it brought back is a complete destruction of the future of AoS and they bring the current models back in time to right before the end times and change the future, after all time is wonky with the warp. I don't mind a rehash of the rules closer to warhammer 8th edition, I just want the world I grew up in the hobby in to return, to have death mean something in that world, not to have the gods be present in every day life. On that day I will return to Warhammer Fantasy Battles as a full supporter.
Till then I will without a doubt direct every person who asks about Age of Sigmar to Kings of War, to Frost Grave, to Vanguard to every other game but AoS.
Yadda yadda opinions. I praised AoS for bringing me back to Fantasy after 7th and 8th drove me away. Bad ruleset, the fluff was incredibly stale at that point with nothing fresh to pull me in. So i'll agree with the original quote. Let old fantasy pass and be remembered fondly rather than try and force a zombie to keep living.
2017/12/01 23:50:42
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
Well there's no reason those people can't play all those games and AoS as well. All of them having easy entry barriers make that quite possible and equally appealing (plus how easy it is to proxy the models in between them).
2017/12/02 00:04:28
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
Hulksmash wrote: I almost criticized price and then looked at how much I spent annually and figured they'd just wave that away. So I went after proof reading and match play balance.
Which a problem with the survey. I bet you probably still spend, just not on GW.
The only way the stuff about sculpts in that last paragraph is true is if you linked to the wrong websites.
Perhaps personal opinion then. Nothing GW is really amazing. Skulls everywhere and everything completely out of proportion. The old Tau stealth suits looked better than the new, and the best suits are Forgeworld. Marines generally are pretty good, but mostly due to large flat surfaces.
Most of their (GW) work tends to be overly chunky any more.
While still a bit out of proportion, most historical figs are much better scaled to themselves.
Spoiler:
Aventine also does some really nice republican romans.
Fireforge are at least as good as Empire troops, and look less 'blobby'.
Spoiler:
Agree to disagree then
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SickSix wrote: My only criticisms were price and changing established cannon just to sell new models.
I did say once 'old marines' are phased out I am done.
Yeah, I hated Rogue Trader->second transition as well.
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2017/12/18 10:22:08
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
Such a shame the sexiest man babies have *immediately* polluted the comments. Nice, big positive initiative and they just *have* to pile in and be donkey-caves. Hey ho.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/12/18 10:34:31
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
JohnnyHell wrote: Such a shame the sexiest man babies have *immediately* polluted the comments. Nice, big positive initiative and they just *have* to pile in and be donkey-caves. Hey ho.
What are you talking about? Im sure theres a good bunch of trolling but theres have been some kind of organised attempt?
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/12/18 10:37:32
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
JohnnyHell wrote: Such a shame the sexiest man babies have *immediately* polluted the comments. Nice, big positive initiative and they just *have* to pile in and be donkey-caves. Hey ho.
What are you talking about? Im sure theres a good bunch of trolling but theres have been some kind of organised attempt?
They flock together. It's not trolling when people are expressing these views. It's what they think. Not organised, didn't ever say that, but still problematic. The guys posting anti-feminist stuff in the FB comments all seem to be married or have daughters which makes it doubly sad. Anyway, merely lamenting, let's not get drawn into a spat here.
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Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/12/18 11:07:55
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
I hope it's used well. The danger in corporate companies running surveys is that they select what props up their existing plans and use it to validate, spin the middle stuff and outright ignore anything that's against plans already in motion
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/12/18 14:28:07
Subject: Re:Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
True. The danger is always there. I like to stay positive and think that if they went to the trouble of compiling all that data (and ask us in the first place), they may as well try and do something useful with it. But you never know until it happens (or doesn't).
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2017/12/18 15:25:23
Subject: Tell GW about your hobby, maybe even win a £50 (or equivalent) voucher
I wouldn't expect GW to make big changes to plans already in motion; sometimes you have to go through with a choice even if its not the best, because you've already invested too much time and money to stop the process without taking a huge loss (or crippling your short term cash flow).
That said I'd expect them to use the survey to hopefully get validation for choices that they have made as well as to get ideas of where to take things in the future. I'd not expect to see big actual changes very fast,esp since most big changes would take months to pull together anyway.
