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With CA basically fully out there I see a lot of disappointment from fans on a variety of forums but also people who like the changes and content. I was wondering what people thought to Chapter Approved compared to its cousins in AOS the General's Handbook (in which I hear a lot of people praised and had little problem with).

What do you think and why?

It's hard to compare.
The GHB was game-breaking. It totally changed the way many people played AoS.
On the other side, CA is mostly about small improvements. A few new missions, some points adjustments etc.
You ask "who did it better?", but I don't think these two books aimed to do the same thing.

I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

this sums it up.

Chapter Approved "Meh"

Generals Handbook "wow"

Like Fresus said, GH shook up AOS massively, Chapter Approved could have done the same, but just showed GW's continued incompetence when it comes to 40k rules, they went too far in certain areas and not far enough in others, threw in some interesting missions (in not completely cynical), added VDR for the Land Raider (Good Idea, badly implemented), added the total joke that is strats and relics to tide over some of the armies (seriously, these were a total joke), completely bungled the points changes.

oh how the points changes were bungled, some armies really needed a boost, Tau, Crons, ORKS ORKS ORKS..... I dont even play them but have mates that do, I read the index and its a complete load of crap...

Sigh, Chapter Approved could have been 40k's GH, with all the possitive reception it received and good changes it made.

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

This hits the nail on the head.

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

+1 to this. General's handbook is much better because of this alone.

Thing is they are different beasts. Generals handbook was about bringing points and structure back into a fantasy game that had basically thrown most of that out the window in favour of pure narrative/casual games. So it was a huge change in attitude and how Sigmar was played as a game.

Chapter Approved instead is a refinement document designed to shore up an already existing rules set. It's not about making huge changes, but rather trying to balance out what is already there far more so.
IT also includes a few additional modes of play, but things like Apoc games are already known to the market and were expected to come along.


Chapter isn't anything new, its a polishing job; whilst Generals Handbook (whilst nothing "new" per-se to the world of gaming) was a huge update and change in how Sigmar could be played.

you cannot compare it to GHB16, only to 17.

40k 8th was playable from day 1 whit points, advanced rules and structure.
AoS had nothing of that when it was first released, only a 4 page ruleset and unit profiles, and as sutch AoS was not playable untill the GHB 16 was released, so in that reagards, GHB 16 is AoS. Anything before that was just beta stage.

however GHB 17 was basicly a nerf fest combined whit more cenarios and ways to play the game, so it is better to compare chapter approved to GHB 17.
In that regards they are wery mutch the same.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
you cannot compare it to GHB16, only to 17.

40k 8th was playable from day 1 whit points, advanced rules and structure.
AoS had nothing of that when it was first released, only a 4 page ruleset and unit profiles, and as sutch AoS was not playable untill the GHB 16 was released, so in that reagards, GHB 16 is AoS. Anything before that was just beta stage.

however GHB 17 was basicly a nerf fest combined whit more cenarios and ways to play the game, so it is better to compare chapter approved to GHB 17.
In that regards they are wery mutch the same.

this was more what I was going for when asking the question.

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

This is exactly how I feel.

As a current Space Wolves player wanting to play small Matched Play games with only GW models (no FW) and the latest rules, I need to have...
* Warhammer 40,000 Rules - 60 USD
* Index Imperium 1 - 25 USD
* Codex Space Marines (because GW didn't bother printing a Wolf Lord datasheet and we're told to use the SM datasheet instead)- 50 USD
* Chapter Approved 2017 - 35 USD
* Half a dozen or so FAQ docs.

That's 170 USD worth of rules to run a basic Patrol Detachment featuring a Wolf Lord and 2x units of Grey Hunters in Razorbacks. Those rules are spread over 5 sources... more if you count the various FAQ docs. I'm being generous and counting the various FAQs as a single source. 170 USD for an army that doesn't even have it's Codex yet!!! When the Codex hits, I'll need to buy it to stay up to date on the rules. That'll put me over 200 USD to run a small army.

Not only are the rules constant, messy and patchwork... they're also not optional for many and they're expensive. AoS Battletomes are largely optional. They add rules, but you don't NEED to have one to run a small Matched Play army. The only thing you NEED is the GHB. With 40k, you NEED all of the above just to build a list.

 Formosa wrote:
this sums it up.

Chapter Approved "Meh"

Generals Handbook "wow"

Like Fresus said, GH shook up AOS massively, Chapter Approved could have done the same, but just showed GW's continued incompetence when it comes to 40k rules, they went too far in certain areas and not far enough in others, threw in some interesting missions (in not completely cynical), added VDR for the Land Raider (Good Idea, badly implemented), added the total joke that is strats and relics to tide over some of the armies (seriously, these were a total joke), completely bungled the points changes.

oh how the points changes were bungled, some armies really needed a boost, Tau, Crons, ORKS ORKS ORKS..... I dont even play them but have mates that do, I read the index and its a complete load of crap...

Sigh, Chapter Approved could have been 40k's GH, with all the possitive reception it received and good changes it made.

It shook it up massively, because it had lots to shake up. This isn't a good comparison.

General's Handbook is more like a Super Index on Steroids than Chapter Approved.

But it took one year for him to appear. I believe 2018 CA will be more like General's Handbook than the 2017 edition.

 Kriswall wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

This is exactly how I feel.

As a current Space Wolves player wanting to play small Matched Play games with only GW models (no FW) and the latest rules, I need to have...
* Warhammer 40,000 Rules - 60 USD
* Index Imperium 1 - 25 USD
* Codex Space Marines (because GW didn't bother printing a Wolf Lord datasheet and we're told to use the SM datasheet instead)- 50 USD
* Chapter Approved 2017 - 35 USD
* Half a dozen or so FAQ docs.

That's 170 USD worth of rules to run a basic Patrol Detachment featuring a Wolf Lord and 2x units of Grey Hunters in Razorbacks. Those rules are spread over 5 sources... more if you count the various FAQ docs. I'm being generous and counting the various FAQs as a single source. 170 USD for an army that doesn't even have it's Codex yet!!! When the Codex hits, I'll need to buy it to stay up to date on the rules. That'll put me over 200 USD to run a small army.

Not only are the rules constant, messy and patchwork... they're also not optional for many and they're expensive. AoS Battletomes are largely optional. They add rules, but you don't NEED to have one to run a small Matched Play army. The only thing you NEED is the GHB. With 40k, you NEED all of the above just to build a list.

By comparison, however, to adequately play Grey Knights I need:

My Codex and the general Rules. That's it. Index invalidated, Chapter Approved had like 4 points changes and none of the FAQ's are really specific to my faction. I would much rather buy lots of books because I was getting attention.

On topic, General's Handbook all the way as the better document.

Audustum wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

This is exactly how I feel.

As a current Space Wolves player wanting to play small Matched Play games with only GW models (no FW) and the latest rules, I need to have...
* Warhammer 40,000 Rules - 60 USD
* Index Imperium 1 - 25 USD
* Codex Space Marines (because GW didn't bother printing a Wolf Lord datasheet and we're told to use the SM datasheet instead)- 50 USD
* Chapter Approved 2017 - 35 USD
* Half a dozen or so FAQ docs.

That's 170 USD worth of rules to run a basic Patrol Detachment featuring a Wolf Lord and 2x units of Grey Hunters in Razorbacks. Those rules are spread over 5 sources... more if you count the various FAQ docs. I'm being generous and counting the various FAQs as a single source. 170 USD for an army that doesn't even have it's Codex yet!!! When the Codex hits, I'll need to buy it to stay up to date on the rules. That'll put me over 200 USD to run a small army.

Not only are the rules constant, messy and patchwork... they're also not optional for many and they're expensive. AoS Battletomes are largely optional. They add rules, but you don't NEED to have one to run a small Matched Play army. The only thing you NEED is the GHB. With 40k, you NEED all of the above just to build a list.

By comparison, however, to adequately play Grey Knights I need:

My Codex and the general Rules. That's it. Index invalidated, Chapter Approved had like 4 points changes and none of the FAQ's are really specific to my faction. I would much rather buy lots of books because I was getting attention.

On topic, General's Handbook all the way as the better document.

You also need the Chapter Approved book. It may not have many GK changes, but it does have some. Without the book, you're playing with outdated points. You may choose not to pay for it and instead copy the information from someone else's copy, but you definitely need it.

 Kriswall wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

This is exactly how I feel.

As a current Space Wolves player wanting to play small Matched Play games with only GW models (no FW) and the latest rules, I need to have...
* Warhammer 40,000 Rules - 60 USD
* Index Imperium 1 - 25 USD
* Codex Space Marines (because GW didn't bother printing a Wolf Lord datasheet and we're told to use the SM datasheet instead)- 50 USD
* Chapter Approved 2017 - 35 USD
* Half a dozen or so FAQ docs.

That's 170 USD worth of rules to run a basic Patrol Detachment featuring a Wolf Lord and 2x units of Grey Hunters in Razorbacks. Those rules are spread over 5 sources... more if you count the various FAQ docs. I'm being generous and counting the various FAQs as a single source. 170 USD for an army that doesn't even have it's Codex yet!!! When the Codex hits, I'll need to buy it to stay up to date on the rules. That'll put me over 200 USD to run a small army.

Not only are the rules constant, messy and patchwork... they're also not optional for many and they're expensive. AoS Battletomes are largely optional. They add rules, but you don't NEED to have one to run a small Matched Play army. The only thing you NEED is the GHB. With 40k, you NEED all of the above just to build a list.

By comparison, however, to adequately play Grey Knights I need:

My Codex and the general Rules. That's it. Index invalidated, Chapter Approved had like 4 points changes and none of the FAQ's are really specific to my faction. I would much rather buy lots of books because I was getting attention.

On topic, General's Handbook all the way as the better document.

You also need the Chapter Approved book. It may not have many GK changes, but it does have some. Without the book, you're playing with outdated points. You may choose not to pay for it and instead copy the information from someone else's copy, but you definitely need it.

I only need it if I'm using Terminators or like 4 vehicles we share with Space Marines. No serious Grey Knight list is using these (and I daresay even most casual lists would say 'lol' to using Terminators).

So no, the models effected are not in use by the Grey Knight player base at large. CA is thus an optional supplement for vehicle lovers.

 lolman1c wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
you cannot compare it to GHB16, only to 17.

40k 8th was playable from day 1 whit points, advanced rules and structure.
AoS had nothing of that when it was first released, only a 4 page ruleset and unit profiles, and as sutch AoS was not playable untill the GHB 16 was released, so in that reagards, GHB 16 is AoS. Anything before that was just beta stage.

however GHB 17 was basicly a nerf fest combined whit more cenarios and ways to play the game, so it is better to compare chapter approved to GHB 17.
In that regards they are wery mutch the same.

this was more what I was going for when asking the question.

well another thing you have to remember is fantasy was completely removed from existance thus allowing them to make brand new rules for a brand new game.
8th edition aint a new game, it is a simplified version of 7th edition.

this is why we get all these add on books whit rules, cuz reality is you cant simplify 40k whitout deleting the game and start over whit a brand new game using the same models.

Audustum wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

This is exactly how I feel.

As a current Space Wolves player wanting to play small Matched Play games with only GW models (no FW) and the latest rules, I need to have...
* Warhammer 40,000 Rules - 60 USD
* Index Imperium 1 - 25 USD
* Codex Space Marines (because GW didn't bother printing a Wolf Lord datasheet and we're told to use the SM datasheet instead)- 50 USD
* Chapter Approved 2017 - 35 USD
* Half a dozen or so FAQ docs.

That's 170 USD worth of rules to run a basic Patrol Detachment featuring a Wolf Lord and 2x units of Grey Hunters in Razorbacks. Those rules are spread over 5 sources... more if you count the various FAQ docs. I'm being generous and counting the various FAQs as a single source. 170 USD for an army that doesn't even have it's Codex yet!!! When the Codex hits, I'll need to buy it to stay up to date on the rules. That'll put me over 200 USD to run a small army.

Not only are the rules constant, messy and patchwork... they're also not optional for many and they're expensive. AoS Battletomes are largely optional. They add rules, but you don't NEED to have one to run a small Matched Play army. The only thing you NEED is the GHB. With 40k, you NEED all of the above just to build a list.

By comparison, however, to adequately play Grey Knights I need:

My Codex and the general Rules. That's it. Index invalidated, Chapter Approved had like 4 points changes and none of the FAQ's are really specific to my faction. I would much rather buy lots of books because I was getting attention.

On topic, General's Handbook all the way as the better document.

You also need the Chapter Approved book. It may not have many GK changes, but it does have some. Without the book, you're playing with outdated points. You may choose not to pay for it and instead copy the information from someone else's copy, but you definitely need it.

I only need it if I'm using Terminators or like 4 vehicles we share with Space Marines. No serious Grey Knight list is using these (and I daresay even most casual lists would say 'lol' to using Terminators).

So no, the models effected are not in use by the Grey Knight player base at large. CA is thus an optional supplement for vehicle lovers.

Well sure... if you choose to only use units that don't have legacy options, haven't seen a points change and don't have any FAQ entries... you could ignore several sources that would otherwise be required. Doesn't change the fact that the Grey Knights options are currently spread across Index Imperium 1, Codex: Grey Knights and Chapter Approved 2017. You're just choosing to artificially restrict yourself to the units and options in one of your three available sources.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
this sums it up.

Chapter Approved "Meh"

Generals Handbook "wow"

Like Fresus said, GH shook up AOS massively, Chapter Approved could have done the same, but just showed GW's continued incompetence when it comes to 40k rules, they went too far in certain areas and not far enough in others, threw in some interesting missions (in not completely cynical), added VDR for the Land Raider (Good Idea, badly implemented), added the total joke that is strats and relics to tide over some of the armies (seriously, these were a total joke), completely bungled the points changes.

oh how the points changes were bungled, some armies really needed a boost, Tau, Crons, ORKS ORKS ORKS..... I dont even play them but have mates that do, I read the index and its a complete load of crap...

Sigh, Chapter Approved could have been 40k's GH, with all the possitive reception it received and good changes it made.

It shook it up massively, because it had lots to shake up. This isn't a good comparison.

Its a very good comparison, 40k as is right now needs a massive shake up in the same manner AOS did, and CA failed at this.

Lets bust some myths here, 8th isnt simpler that 7th it shares a lot of the same issues and is a side shift at most, its headed the same way with multi books being required to actually play, GW still doesnt know how to balance worth a damn and several key armies got ignored for updates they desperately needed, whats more is that the changes indicate a bad trend going forward for 40k, it sets a precedent that IF you buy FW, prepare to have it arbitrarily messed with for no good reason, CA could and should have addressed a lot of these issues, and it did in some small cases.

GH added points to a game that should have had them from the start, but it also continued to add to the game in other ways, it actually fixed a lot of issues at the same time, a lot of the same issues 40k has.

CA didnt fix a lot of what needed fixing, broke things that didnt need breaking, and make useless things that needed a buff.

The comparison works because they have the same remit, help fix the game and introduce some new mechanics/rules/missions, one succeeded at this and the other failed miserably.

 Kriswall wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

Audustum wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I can take my GHB with no other books (although I do like printing out my datasheets), and play AoS in any environment with no issues.All missions, point values, and faction traits are found in the book, for easy access to anything I might require for matched play.

Chapter approved is another book to pack in with my rulebook, codex, and index just to do the same thing. We're six months into 8th edition, and have to carry around this much paperwork already. It really makes 8th edition feel like a constant, messy and untested patchwork, which does not help with the criticisms against its unfinished release.

This is exactly how I feel.

As a current Space Wolves player wanting to play small Matched Play games with only GW models (no FW) and the latest rules, I need to have...
* Warhammer 40,000 Rules - 60 USD
* Index Imperium 1 - 25 USD
* Codex Space Marines (because GW didn't bother printing a Wolf Lord datasheet and we're told to use the SM datasheet instead)- 50 USD
* Chapter Approved 2017 - 35 USD
* Half a dozen or so FAQ docs.

That's 170 USD worth of rules to run a basic Patrol Detachment featuring a Wolf Lord and 2x units of Grey Hunters in Razorbacks. Those rules are spread over 5 sources... more if you count the various FAQ docs. I'm being generous and counting the various FAQs as a single source. 170 USD for an army that doesn't even have it's Codex yet!!! When the Codex hits, I'll need to buy it to stay up to date on the rules. That'll put me over 200 USD to run a small army.

Not only are the rules constant, messy and patchwork... they're also not optional for many and they're expensive. AoS Battletomes are largely optional. They add rules, but you don't NEED to have one to run a small Matched Play army. The only thing you NEED is the GHB. With 40k, you NEED all of the above just to build a list.

By comparison, however, to adequately play Grey Knights I need:

My Codex and the general Rules. That's it. Index invalidated, Chapter Approved had like 4 points changes and none of the FAQ's are really specific to my faction. I would much rather buy lots of books because I was getting attention.

On topic, General's Handbook all the way as the better document.

You also need the Chapter Approved book. It may not have many GK changes, but it does have some. Without the book, you're playing with outdated points. You may choose not to pay for it and instead copy the information from someone else's copy, but you definitely need it.

I only need it if I'm using Terminators or like 4 vehicles we share with Space Marines. No serious Grey Knight list is using these (and I daresay even most casual lists would say 'lol' to using Terminators).

So no, the models effected are not in use by the Grey Knight player base at large. CA is thus an optional supplement for vehicle lovers.

Well sure... if you choose to only use units that don't have legacy options, haven't seen a points change and don't have any FAQ entries... you could ignore several sources that would otherwise be required. Doesn't change the fact that the Grey Knights options are currently spread across Index Imperium 1, Codex: Grey Knights and Chapter Approved 2017. You're just choosing to artificially restrict yourself to the units and options in one of your three available sources.

No, what I'm doing is highlighting that we've been touched on so absolutely minimally that I'm not really restricting myself by doing so. It's Terminators and like 4 vehicles. I think Rifledreads are the only legacy option we even have in the Indices. So if you wanna make the total 6, go for it.

It's not like Space Marines or Space Wolves where we just have all these options scattered everywhere.

You absolutely are restricting yourself. You're just doing so in a way that you don't care about. Some people will care and will want to at least know what the options are.

 Kriswall wrote:
You absolutely are restricting yourself. You're just doing so in a way that you don't care about. Some people will care and will want to at least know what the options are.

I believe this is a forest and trees scenario, but it's off-topic so let's leave it there.

I think people hyped up CA way to much and believed it to be the GHB. However, I don't think gw was ever going for that and just wanted to fill a gap in with a rule book to give the illusion they're working fast. What didn't help is the charging for CA. If the points changes, core rule updates and 1 page of faction rules was given free as a PDF a lot more people would be more forgiving and be content waiting for their codex. In addition, if it was announced to be free then we wouldnhave all just seen it as a FAQ of sorts. If GW couldn't but put anything worth while out for cash then they shouldn't have put anything out at all. Now I have to buy a new book for missions I don't care about and half a page of rules. I don't think this is a scam but it feels like one. (I won't be buying the book and now will just wait for the codex to save myself some money).

 lolman1c wrote:
I think people hyped up CA way to much and believed it to be the GHB. However, I don't think gw was ever going for that and just wanted to fill a gap in with a rule book to give the illusion they're working fast. What didn't help is the charging for CA. If the points changes, core rule updates and 1 page of faction rules was given free as a PDF a lot more people would be more forgiving and be content waiting for their codex. In addition, if it was announced to be free then we wouldnhave all just seen it as a FAQ of sorts. If GW couldn't but put anything worth while out for cash then they shouldn't have put anything out at all. Now I have to buy a new book for missions I don't care about and half a page of rules. I don't think this is a scam but it feels like one. (I won't be buying the book and now will just wait for the codex to save myself some money).

Agreed. I don't think the new Chapter Approved is worth $35. I'm actively not interested in 90%+ of the content. They're effectively forcing me to buy a ton of content I don't want to get the handful of pages related to my army. The updated points tables should really be free. Forcing me to buy a $35 to get a handful of updated points makes me want to spend my money on other games.

I'm with you there buddy. Sad fact is, is all gw needs to do is bring out the points change page in a free pdf and boom! They insta have my support again. But no really... I was going to buy the marine codex for an army I am building but now I feel like I'm buying outdated books... if it was a free pdf I'd be happy to print it off and staple it into the codex.

It's funny, and sad, to see how they did so much right with Sigmar's management (post GHB), and how little of it they actually ended up applying to 40k. I remember, leading up to and around the release of 8th, seeing information drop and feeling like it was a bit of a departure from how they handled AoS.

In hindsight, the way it all adds up is almost painful, because now I know that they can do and have done so much better. AoS' management on GW's part played a big part into bringing me back into miniature gaming altogether after a long hiatus. It's just a shame that they can't apply that to 40k for some reason.

 Kriswall wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
I think people hyped up CA way to much and believed it to be the GHB. However, I don't think gw was ever going for that and just wanted to fill a gap in with a rule book to give the illusion they're working fast. What didn't help is the charging for CA. If the points changes, core rule updates and 1 page of faction rules was given free as a PDF a lot more people would be more forgiving and be content waiting for their codex. In addition, if it was announced to be free then we wouldnhave all just seen it as a FAQ of sorts. If GW couldn't but put anything worth while out for cash then they shouldn't have put anything out at all. Now I have to buy a new book for missions I don't care about and half a page of rules. I don't think this is a scam but it feels like one. (I won't be buying the book and now will just wait for the codex to save myself some money).

Agreed. I don't think the new Chapter Approved is worth $35. I'm actively not interested in 90%+ of the content. They're effectively forcing me to buy a ton of content I don't want to get the handful of pages related to my army. The updated points tables should really be free. Forcing me to buy a $35 to get a handful of updated points makes me want to spend my money on other games.

I think its all just part of GW's plan.
Take a look at the new Blood Angels.
The Librarian Dread is only a few points more than a jump pack librarian. The dread is better in every single way possible. I'm sure anyone not using a named character will take only these dreads as HQ choices.
GW sells a bunch of Libby Dreads.
Then they change the points next year in the next CA.
GW sells a bunch of CA'18.
Wash rinse repeat with various units.

Daedalus81 wrote:It shook it up massively, because it had lots to shake up. This isn't a good comparison.

It's an excellent comparison. While General's Handbook had lots to shake up, it did it where most people were happy with it. While I have not read the Chapter Approved yet, but seeing how people are upset with it, it had little compared to Age of Sigmar in improving it. I guess since the warscrolls for Age of Sigmar are free, in that you didn't have to buy anything, but people have, but still were put out free, the changes were not frowned apon because it fixed free rules.

So because people had to buy 40K, and then again buy to "fix" it, it would be like Age of Sigmar is free to play and getting free patches, while 40K is buy to play, but you still have to pay for patches instead of them being done at no charge.

Why the point changes are not Errata for free with the FAQs I will not understand. This should have been free, at least the point cost adjustments. Then again, who knows, this can still happen next Saturday when Chapter Approved comes out.

 Fafnir wrote:
It's funny, and sad, to see how they did so much right with Sigmar's management (post GHB), and how little of it they actually ended up applying to 40k. I remember, leading up to and around the release of 8th, seeing information drop and feeling like it was a bit of a departure from how they handled AoS.

In hindsight, the way it all adds up is almost painful, because now I know that they can do and have done so much better. AoS' management on GW's part played a big part into bringing me back into miniature gaming altogether after a long hiatus. It's just a shame that they can't apply that to 40k for some reason.

The reason is that with AoS they needed to convince people to play the game, and with W40k they can milk us for our precious money

 Galas wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
It's funny, and sad, to see how they did so much right with Sigmar's management (post GHB), and how little of it they actually ended up applying to 40k. I remember, leading up to and around the release of 8th, seeing information drop and feeling like it was a bit of a departure from how they handled AoS.

In hindsight, the way it all adds up is almost painful, because now I know that they can do and have done so much better. AoS' management on GW's part played a big part into bringing me back into miniature gaming altogether after a long hiatus. It's just a shame that they can't apply that to 40k for some reason.

The reason is that with AoS they needed to convince people to play the game, and with W40k they can milk us for our precious money

Because AoS sucks, they would have been better off just leaving warhammer fantasy alone, and creating a whole new fantasy game, so you didn't have the same holdover stuff. Also, they wouldn't have had to create new rules for everything under the sun and could focus on a deep, tactical game, instead of "let's run at each other, screaming, and when we collide, there shall be a winner."

I disagree with the assertion that AoS suck. I'll agree with the sadness about Fantasy death, but to be honest, after years of playing non rank and file games, I can't go back to those kind of games.
They feel so clunky, slow and... meh.

But this is offtopic.