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Sorry to everyone who thought this was a rumour. I got distracted and forgot to type in a few lines that would have prevented my misinterpretation. This was suppose to be a discussion for what you would think if GW did a major recton in their history.

Again sorry. I apologize if I got some people upset for me not proof reading. It was not my intent.

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It seems I have made a mistake and said I have read this on another thread here on Dakka. Didn't mean to take this as a rumour. Sorry for that.

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Major SPOILER. Don't read if you want Blood Angel fluff. You have been warned. Don't be read any further if you want to be suprsied.



So if true and we are not being trolled what do you think? I don't like this recton. I mean this sounds so un 40ish now. I know sometimes you need a recton but some things you just don't change. So what is next?

So your opinions?

Davor

My opinion is that they have said a small comment on a stream that can be misinterpreted, so I'm just gonna wait and see how this ends. This won't stop people from flipping the tables and sh***ng themselves all over the place like monkeys, of course. I think is futile to be angry for something that can happen or not happen, even if its end being true. Then, one can be angry.

Gotta sell those models, amirite?

Big S isn't dead? That's so cool to me. However, I'm not sure how Big H would be if the emperor ripped him into nothingness, spirit included. They're gonna have to dig deep into their bag of BS for explaining that one.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Gotta sell those models, amirite?

Spoiler:

But imagine if Ferrus Manus came back. Now THAT would make us lose our heads!

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I actually heard this rumor awhile ago, I'm just gonna wait and see how this plays out

They told us a long time ago that HH won't end like we think it will, and since then we've been chanting "Don't do it, don't you fething do it", and well they just did it. There are plenty of primarchs still alive or whereabouts unknown, they didn't need to retcon one of the most Iconic parts of the HH.

His body has always been kept in stasis.
Doesnt mean hes alive.

As an old school ba player, I'm not impressed at any level. But honestly, at this point I'm not surprised. At all. Just wait until they release the new emperor model.

According to others, this is a result of people not actually paying attention:

Chikout wrote:
I would not worry too much. I listened to that interview live and he straight up said Sanguinius was dead just before the stasis comment. I am quite sure that as others have said he was referring to the corpse being in stasis.

So, no change. Dead, but body in stasis (presumably so they can use Dad's Blood)

So pause freakouts, and resume your normal Chaplain-approved daycycle.

Herm...well maybe Alpharius will be back alive next!

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
Herm...well maybe Alpharius will be back alive next!

What are you talking about? Alpharius never died. I know because I saw him the other day, and also because I am Alpharius.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
Herm...well maybe Alpharius will be back alive next!

What are you talking about? Alpharius never died. I know because I saw him the other day, and also because I am Alpharius.

Thats not possible, because I am Alpharius.

 Galas wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
Herm...well maybe Alpharius will be back alive next!

What are you talking about? Alpharius never died. I know because I saw him the other day, and also because I am Alpharius.

Thats not possible, because I am Alpharius.g

I'm Brian! And so is my wife!

And here I am... just Spartacus..

This is a lot like when people get really mad at Buzzfeed clickbait headlines or Onion articles and start freaking out without actually reading anything.

Well even if true and not misintepration no change here as we ignore new fluff as it would invalidate our campaign and force us to start from scratch

You can either have your primarch on the tabletop, but have lore issues; or you can have your lore fine, but not primarch on the tabletop.

You can’t have both - you need to pick one.

And we all know that you’d rather have an op primarch since everyone else will have one, than no primarch at all.

You can call call him something else fluff wise.

If true that's a terrible case of lorerape, he was our optimus prime, now he'd just be another girlyman

If Sanguinius can be brought back, why couldn't the Emperor? Why not bring back Lord Solar Macharius & every other hero of the IoM? The death of Horus was the most significant event to occur in the 40K setting. Largely due to the death of both Sanguinius & the Emperor. By bringing back Sanguinius it makes that event less significant. Sanguinius sacrifice cannot be surpassed.

I'm not hating on Sanguinius or Blood Angels. I'm a big fan of both. I just don't see how it improves the setting. Its kind of like what happened in Game of Thrones recently. One of the main reasons people watch Game of Thrones is because anyone could die. Recently however, several characters which were deemed dead, or died came back to life due to plot armor. In doing so, it allows the audience to latch onto those characters because they know they have said plot armor and they will not die. In the end, the very thing that attracted said audience to the show was lost in the process.

Bringing back Sanguinius would fragment the 40k community & undermine the very foundation the setting resides upon: Grimdark.

Sooooo...
40k has become a comics, and one of the bad ones on top of it! Nice!

I fail to see what the issue is?

Primarchs are highly marketable premium models which can be sold at a lucrative mark-up, and there is demand for them as 30k has clearly shown.

Why wouldn't a publicly listed company with shareholders who have expectations on return in their investment ride roughshod over established fluff in order to make more profit?

Just seems logical irrespective of how precious the fanbase are over the fluff.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I fail to see what the issue is?

Primarchs are highly marketable premium models which can be sold at a lucrative mark-up, and there is demand for them as 30k has clearly shown.

Why wouldn't a publicly listed company with shareholders who have expectations on return in their investment ride roughshod over established fluff in order to make more profit?

Just seems logical irrespective of how precious the fanbase are over the fluff.

The 40K setting hasn't even begun to see its potential & has the ability to surpass Star Wars & Star Trek in fanbase. Why kill the entire setting for 1 sale, when its potential is limitless? Its short sighted & foolish.

I have just one question for the OP?

What's the proof? What's the situation? Where's the source?

This sounds like clickbait and baseless speculation.

I think Voss is right that this isn't true.

They should let Cawl bring Sangy back.

BUT what a twist!!!

...Cawl screws something up and all they get is a reanimated zombie Sangy who just wants to murder whatever he sees with primarch strength. As if he himself has fallen to the rage.

They haul him around in stasis like a WMD version of death company and only let him loose when all other options are gone. And then they run and come back later and hope to god he's at least slightly winded so they can lull him back to sleep.

I would pay cash money for insane zombie sanguinius model.

Voss wrote:
According to others, this is a result of people not actually paying attention:

Chikout wrote:
I would not worry too much. I listened to that interview live and he straight up said Sanguinius was dead just before the stasis comment. I am quite sure that as others have said he was referring to the corpse being in stasis.

So, no change. Dead, but body in stasis (presumably so they can use Dad's Blood)

So pause freakouts, and resume your normal Chaplain-approved daycycle.

It's always funny to read a post like this, and then see everyone who ignores it in order to get their freakout on.

I've heard this as well, that his body is in stasis and his soul is somewhere else, so if they were reunited he would be reborn. Honestly I find it a bit lame; I liked the old fluff where the loyal primarchs were akin to "tall tales" like Paul Bunyan; lots of myths and legends surrounding them and their deeds, but nobody is alive who really remembers the truth since it's had 10,000 years of Imperial Propaganda to be manipulated. Hell, I liked when the Horus Heresy was like that too before Forgeworld started to expand it and detail every bit; it was IMHO better as a legend from the far past that has a lot of various tales of what happened, any/none of which may or may not be true.

It's pretty clear they want to set up the "Big Four" loyalists versus the "Big Four" traitors. So Russ, Guilliman, Lion and Sanguinius versus Angron, Mortarion, Fulgrim and Magnus s the big confrontation. Whether that means the others will come back as well or not is up to debate, but those ones are all but guaranteed (we already have two of the traitors actually available, and strong rumors of the other two coming in the future).

I think it's a little too comic book retcon-y for my taste. It removes a lot of the cool factor of the setting for the sake of putting out yet another likely overpowered model to milk sales. Remember, Sanguinius' death was basically the keystone of allowing the Emperor to kill Horus; he's the only primarch to have an imperial holiday to honor his sacrifice (the Sanguinala). If he comes back to life, does he still get the holiday? Wouldn't that cure the Black Rage since it's the psychic after-effect of his death i.e. no more Death Company?

The whole point of 40k and moving this storyline forward with the 13th Black Crusade was to show that mankind is facing the "End Times", and is on the brink of extinction but has to fight back. By bringing back primarchs, that is more akin to it moving away from that feeling of hopelessness on all sides and the forces of Chaos encroaching and into the realm of godlike heroes coming to save the Imperium, which grows stronger than ever before. It's really gakky storytelling IMHO.

Wayniac wrote:
I've heard this as well, that his body is in stasis and his soul is somewhere else, so if they were reunited he would be reborn. Honestly I find it a bit lame; I liked the old fluff where the loyal primarchs were akin to "tall tales" like Paul Bunyan; lots of myths and legends surrounding them and their deeds, but nobody is alive who really remembers the truth since it's had 10,000 years of Imperial Propaganda to be manipulated. Hell, I liked when the Horus Heresy was like that too before Forgeworld started to expand it and detail every bit; it was IMHO better as a legend from the far past that has a lot of various tales of what happened, any/none of which may or may not be true.

It's pretty clear they want to set up the "Big Four" loyalists versus the "Big Four" traitors. So Russ, Guilliman, Lion and Sanguinius versus Angron, Mortarion, Fulgrim and Magnus s the big confrontation. Whether that means the others will come back as well or not is up to debate, but those ones are all but guaranteed (we already have two of the traitors actually available, and strong rumors of the other two coming in the future).

I think it's a little too comic book retcon-y for my taste. It removes a lot of the cool factor of the setting for the sake of putting out yet another likely overpowered model to milk sales. Remember, Sanguinius' death was basically the keystone of allowing the Emperor to kill Horus; he's the only primarch to have an imperial holiday to honor his sacrifice (the Sanguinala). If he comes back to life, does he still get the holiday? Wouldn't that cure the Black Rage since it's the psychic after-effect of his death i.e. no more Death Company?

The whole point of 40k and moving this storyline forward with the 13th Black Crusade was to show that mankind is facing the "End Times", and is on the brink of extinction but has to fight back. By bringing back primarchs, that is more akin to it moving away from that feeling of hopelessness on all sides and the forces of Chaos encroaching and into the realm of godlike heroes coming to save the Imperium, which grows stronger than ever before. It's really gakky storytelling IMHO.

As above, (holy crap the posts came in fast) what if he comes back just perma black raged. He literally remembers fighting and being killed by Horus, which is what all the black rage victims see. xD

I just can't see why so many people claim this is their breaking point, and not the absolute trainwreck the heresy novels have been up until now, or the breaching of the taint that is heresy novels into modern 40k fall of Cadia represented.

 Commissar Benny wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I fail to see what the issue is?

Primarchs are highly marketable premium models which can be sold at a lucrative mark-up, and there is demand for them as 30k has clearly shown.

Why wouldn't a publicly listed company with shareholders who have expectations on return in their investment ride roughshod over established fluff in order to make more profit?

Just seems logical irrespective of how precious the fanbase are over the fluff.

The 40K setting hasn't even begun to see its potential & has the ability to surpass Star Wars & Star Trek in fanbase. Why kill the entire setting for 1 sale, when its potential is limitless? Its short sighted & foolish.

In order to realise its 'potential' 40k would need new people to take up the hobby i.e. people who don't necessarily know much about the established fluff in any case and who go 'wow, that Ferrus Manus cyborg primarch run by an AI is awesome'. See how much established fluff I broke in one sentence, only two primary bits before someone gets sarky, yet think of the sweet profit and influx of new IH fanboys...

Wayniac wrote:
I've heard this as well, that his body is in stasis and his soul is somewhere else, so if they were reunited he would be reborn. Honestly I find it a bit lame; I liked the old fluff where the loyal primarchs were akin to "tall tales" like Paul Bunyan; lots of myths and legends surrounding them and their deeds, but nobody is alive who really remembers the truth since it's had 10,000 years of Imperial Propaganda to be manipulated. Hell, I liked when the Horus Heresy was like that too before Forgeworld started to expand it and detail every bit; it was IMHO better as a legend from the far past that has a lot of various tales of what happened, any/none of which may or may not be true.

This hasn't ever really been true though. Bjorn has always been around since the Heresy, but given that nobody outside of the Wolves engages with him at length...

It's pretty clear they want to set up the "Big Four" loyalists versus the "Big Four" traitors. So Russ, Guilliman, Lion and Sanguinius versus Angron, Mortarion, Fulgrim and Magnus s the big confrontation. Whether that means the others will come back as well or not is up to debate, but those ones are all but guaranteed (we already have two of the traitors actually available, and strong rumors of the other two coming in the future).

Really? Because that's not the impression I've gotten. If anything, I think that it's funny how people have ignored that The Lion didn't really have an "archenemy" in that mix of Daemon Primarchs.

Guilliman is, effectively, the foil to Abaddon. He is intended to be a unifying factor for the Imperium. More importantly though he was also in a grudge-match with the Alpha Legion, of which we know someone survived between the Twins.
Corax and his Raven Guard have had a long-running history now with Mortarion and his Death Guard. Corax is, currently, MIA presumed dead. He's one of the ones who can come back.
Vulkan is known to be still kicking around as of the end of "The Beast Arises" series and has a monster sized grudge with Angron because of Isstvan.
Russ and Magnus is a done deal.
The Khan has a grudge with Fulgrim.

I think it's a little too comic book retcon-y for my taste. It removes a lot of the cool factor of the setting for the sake of putting out yet another likely overpowered model to milk sales. Remember, Sanguinius' death was basically the keystone of allowing the Emperor to kill Horus; he's the only primarch to have an imperial holiday to honor his sacrifice (the Sanguinala). If he comes back to life, does he still get the holiday? Wouldn't that cure the Black Rage since it's the psychic after-effect of his death i.e. no more Death Company?

The whole thing about Sanguinius' death has always been that Horus obliterated his soul-essence. It's why the Emperor killed Horus the way that he did.

Nothing about what was posted/discussed yesterday made it seem like he's coming back beyond the usual hysterics from the fanbase.

The whole point of 40k and moving this storyline forward with the 13th Black Crusade was to show that mankind is facing the "End Times", and is on the brink of extinction but has to fight back. By bringing back primarchs, that is more akin to it moving away from that feeling of hopelessness on all sides and the forces of Chaos encroaching and into the realm of godlike heroes coming to save the Imperium, which grows stronger than ever before. It's really gakky storytelling IMHO.

The problem is that it was never really a "feeling of hopelessness on all sides". It's always been "the Imperium is surrounded and things are crap but hey, we're still top dogs in spite of it".

The Imperium is and always has been on the defensive. The collapse of the Cadian Gate means that things are changing. Daemon Primarchs are free to wander the material world and things thought lost to history and myth are coming back. The Inquisition can't hide things anymore so now we're getting into the true End Times.

There's a reason that the three books that we got to end 7th were called "The Gathering Storm" and not "The End Times".