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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 08:25:14
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Furious Raptor
Gothenburg, Sweden
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Years ago, I converted a Dark Angel Librarian, a Chaplain and a Techmarine, all on bikes. Now I see they no longer have rules in Dark Angels 8th, but I should still be allowed to take them using Index Imperium 1 right? I worked hard on them and by the Emperor´s balls I´m not gonna repurpose them!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 09:12:22
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Yep. The flowchart in the Designers' Commentary FAQ covers this.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 11:03:34
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Norn Queen
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Luusormi wrote:Years ago, I converted a Dark Angel Librarian, a Chaplain and a Techmarine, all on bikes. Now I see they no longer have rules in Dark Angels 8th, but I should still be allowed to take them using Index Imperium 1 right? I worked hard on them and by the Emperor´s balls I´m not gonna repurpose them!
Designers commentary (the 2nd version) answers your question fully.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 12:15:16
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Furious Raptor
Gothenburg, Sweden
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Do you mean the Keyword section of the designers commentary?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 12:49:41
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Norn Queen
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Luusormi wrote:Do you mean the Keyword section of the designers commentary?
No, the final page, the giant flowchart. Make sure it's the v2 of the Commentary. This thing http://prntscr.com/hpjvkx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 16:00:28
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Furious Raptor
Gothenburg, Sweden
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Aaaah, thanks guys! I knew I´d seen it somewhere  ! Automatically Appended Next Post: But do I interpret it correctly in that my Techmarine/Chaplain/Librarian will receive the <Dark Angels> keyword? will they also receive the <Ravenwing> keyword?
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion...and bacon! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 16:34:30
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Luusormi wrote:Aaaah, thanks guys! I knew I´d seen it somewhere  !
Automatically Appended Next Post:
But do I interpret it correctly in that my Techmarine/Chaplain/Librarian will receive the <Dark Angels> keyword? will they also receive the <Ravenwing> keyword?
Yes and no. They become DARK ANGELS but do not get RAVENWING.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/12/19 16:34:46
Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 16:38:25
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Norn Queen
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Luusormi wrote:Aaaah, thanks guys! I knew I´d seen it somewhere  ! Automatically Appended Next Post: But do I interpret it correctly in that my Techmarine/Chaplain/Librarian will receive the <Dark Angels> keyword? will they also receive the <Ravenwing> keyword?
Your Techmarine and Chaplain will not, because the "Techmarine on Bike" and "Chaplain on Bike" datasheets do not have that option. They will get DARK ANGELS though. The Librarian on Bike however will "gain the DEATHWING keyword and the Unforgiven ability." as per the Index.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 22:27:45
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Furious Raptor
Gothenburg, Sweden
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Aaah, I see! Sweet! Thanks again bro´s
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 22:44:09
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Dakka Veteran
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Piggyback question - which psychic power set does the Librarian on a Bike use? Index or Codex?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/19 23:02:07
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Farseer_V2 wrote:Piggyback question - which psychic power set does the Librarian on a Bike use? Index or Codex?
Now the Codex is out, the Codex, as well as Codex points for wargear.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/20 10:39:06
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Norn Queen
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Farseer_V2 wrote:Piggyback question - which psychic power set does the Librarian on a Bike use? Index or Codex?
The index power list. This is explicit from the flowchart and the flowchart only allows for wargear to use updated codex rules, not powers. We have the following scenario: Does Your Model Have A Datasheet In A Codex? > No > Use The Index Version Of Your Model’s Datasheet
"Use The Index Version Of Your Model’s Datasheet" clearly means you must use the index and the index only. The points cost for the base model must come from the index, however any wargear that is in the codex you use the points from the codex, and any wargear NOT in the codex you use the points from the Index. Think of it like Skyrim mods, loading the index first and the codex last. Anything that has a different points cost in the codex overwrites the Index, but anything that the index has that isn't in the codex stays index. Obviously you can house rule this, but GW need to issue an errata or another special snowflake FAQ to allow for the Bikebarian to use the codex powers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/21 19:42:04
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Farseer_V2 wrote:Piggyback question - which psychic power set does the Librarian on a Bike use? Index or Codex?
There is a discussion specifically on this.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/746996.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/21 20:28:20
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Norn Queen
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Which was started by me only after he asked this question. In fact that message was the inspiration for me starting the thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/23 01:30:38
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Cripes. I'm not even a DA player but it's the frigging Ravenwing. Why would they take those options out??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/23 12:26:42
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Brotherjulian wrote:Cripes. I'm not even a DA player but it's the frigging Ravenwing. Why would they take those options out??
Because they don't make specific models for them. Same as all other removals from Index to Codex.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/12/23 14:42:05
Subject: Dark Angels Vs Index Imperium 1
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Norn Queen
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Brotherjulian wrote:Cripes. I'm not even a DA player but it's the frigging Ravenwing. Why would they take those options out??
Because of the Chapter House Studio lawsuits. The new mantra is No Model, No Rules. Got converted models? Too bad for you, no updated rules for you. We were lucky to get Index options at all, and I guarantee they will be removed for 9th edition. GW would rather cut off their own nose to spite their face, and remove options for their fans to convert models rather than let another company make models GW don't bother to.
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