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I have an itch to paint Khorne Demons. I never see Khorne Demons discussed or played. Do they suck? Can they win and be moderately competitive?

The problem with pure Khorne is you effectively have no shooting or psychic phase. They're great in melee, but quite squishy to ranged fire.

As with all Index armies, they're at a disadvantage to Codex armies. Tzeentch daemons get talked about because of smite spam, but with the new Smite rules that's unlikely to continue to be a thing.

If you're thinking about collecting them, I'd wait for the Codex basically. It should be early next year and will hopefully have some nice toys for everyone.

Tzeentch daemons are not a thing either with smite spam.


Horrors are a thing because they serve as a "meat"shield
The changling is good because of his aura and the way it compliments magnus.(and making horrors even more annoying.)

But the rest of the tzeentch daemons? not getting much attention.


Daemons as a whole are not really impressive right now.

Basically pure melee is still trash and needs shooting and psychic to support it - both of which Khorne Daemons lack.

khorne’s not even the best in cc, ork boy hordes got them beat on price and leadership buffs.

On the upside, a horde of red daemons looks fantastic*.

*I am not biased in any way.

In addition to what has been mentioned, summoning daemons is a complete waste of time in 8th. Your Chaos Lord died? Welp, there go all your reinforcement points down the dunny. Dice Gods decided not to give you enough result to summon what you own? DOWN THE DRAIN WITH YOU!

Khorne Daemons are my secret secondary line of offense I bring to most lists. Paired with World Eaters and some Heavy Support shooting, a mass of Bloodletters can be an outright terrifying prospect advancing up the board.

But yes, Khorne gets overshadowed by Nurgle and Tzeetch, because Khorne doesn't see very much competitive play.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Basically pure melee is still trash and needs shooting and psychic to support it - both of which Khorne Daemons lack.

Hahahha. I love how I called it on the 8th edition rumour leaks and everyone was convinced that I was just being hyperbolic.

oftenwrong wrote:
khorne’s not even the best in cc, ork boy hordes got them beat on price and leadership buffs.

Khorne Berzerkers would beg to differ.


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 Zewrath wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Basically pure melee is still trash and needs shooting and psychic to support it - both of which Khorne Daemons lack.

Hahahha. I love how I called it on the 8th edition rumour leaks and everyone was convinced that I was just being hyperbolic.

We all had hope back then, now the nightmare has become reality.

I would like them to bring back Daemonkin. Inevitably that will be covered by the new Khorne codex when it drops.

GW went out on a limb with a codex just to flog the new Bloodletter model and, inadvertantly, while CSM were in a bad place got something flaming well right!

Sorry, meant Bloodthirster - damnnit.

I also don't see the issues people are having with getting into CC. You don't make Bezerkers your entire army, that's just stupid. Slap down a distraction unit, and plow up the field with rhinos. I've won more games than i've lost by a pretty good percentage using this tactic, against multiple armies. (The likes of Guard, Ultras, Admech, Wolves and Dark Angels.)

 ArmyC wrote:
I have an itch to paint Khorne Demons. I never see Khorne Demons discussed or played. Do they suck? Can they win and be moderately competitive?

They are above average in Age of Sigmar using the Blades of Khorne rulebook. In 40K...not so much as they have no turn 1 delivery and no durability to survive the alpha (and beta) strike.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I would like them to bring back Daemonkin. Inevitably that will be covered by the new Khorne codex when it drops.

GW went out on a limb with a codex just to flog the new Bloodletter model and, inadvertantly, while CSM were in a bad place got something flaming well right!

Sorry, meant Bloodthirster - damnnit.

Khorne Daemonkin wasn't "just to flog the new Bloodthirster model".

It was done to give the World Eaters the closest thing to a Legion book that they could.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I would like them to bring back Daemonkin. Inevitably that will be covered by the new Khorne codex when it drops.

GW went out on a limb with a codex just to flog the new Bloodletter model and, inadvertantly, while CSM were in a bad place got something flaming well right!

Sorry, meant Bloodthirster - damnnit.

Khorne Daemonkin wasn't "just to flog the new Bloodthirster model".

It was done to give the World Eaters the closest thing to a Legion book that they could.

Reaaaallllyyyyyy?

 vaklor4 wrote:
I also don't see the issues people are having with getting into CC. You don't make Bezerkers your entire army, that's just stupid. Slap down a distraction unit, and plow up the field with rhinos. I've won more games than i've lost by a pretty good percentage using this tactic, against multiple armies. (The likes of Guard, Ultras, Admech, Wolves and Dark Angels.)

No one is saying CC doesn't work, we're saying that it doesn't work on it's own. Unlike shooting armies, CC armies need to have units to support them (in this case, units from other armies because the CC army on it's own just can't stand up).

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I would like them to bring back Daemonkin. Inevitably that will be covered by the new Khorne codex when it drops.

GW went out on a limb with a codex just to flog the new Bloodletter model and, inadvertantly, while CSM were in a bad place got something flaming well right!

Sorry, meant Bloodthirster - damnnit.

Khorne Daemonkin wasn't "just to flog the new Bloodthirster model".

It was done to give the World Eaters the closest thing to a Legion book that they could.

Reaaaallllyyyyyy?

From my understanding, yes.

The World Eaters are basically the only "Shattered" Legion. It seems like the Khorne Daemonkin book was an early attempt at doing a Legion book without pigeonholing it into being a Legion book if that makes sense.

I think daemons best use at the moment is still as daemonic ritual stuff for CSM characters. It's dead handy bringing in plague bearers as needed to soak wounds.

All Daemons, save for a few select units, aren't great right now.

I disagree, bloodletters are very squishy but very nasty with a keeper of skulls nearby. I used a squad of 20 with the keeper and charge a squad of 20 genestealers with a broodlord in a recent game and actually killed all but 2 genestealers and the broodlord in a single round of combat (keeper vs broodlord man did I get lucky). I use Renegade legion as main backup for my deamons, with predators and 3 rhinos with beserkers in then as the base of the force and it does really well for a cc army.

Granted I have only really gone against another cc oriented army so it may be a biased situation. Still I want 40 more Bloodletters! Lol.

 Elbows wrote:
I think daemons best use at the moment is still as daemonic ritual stuff for CSM characters. It's dead handy bringing in plague bearers as needed to soak wounds.

Or for dropping a squad of Brimstones on an objective within 12" while the rest of your army pushes forward.

Best I've done is taken fast moving chaos lords, hope they survived shooting turn 1 (they don't) and then pray I make the assault roll since blood letters need to make an 8 inch charge with a instrument.

Blood letters are glass cannons that have a terrible attack profile and leadership. They have no way of increasing their charge reliability outside of the instrument. Armies frequently shoot them off the table.

In KDK, they were useful as your opponent had to choose to give you a blood tithe or not shooting them. (They were squishy) Moral issues were non-existent. (Fearless) And they had deep strike. (Delivery method into opponent back lines) Combined with fast moving khorne dogs (got a movement nerf and point increase), Skull cannons that negated the lack of grenades (also got a point increase and nerf), and a couple mortal characters to bloody things up (Who cannot buff daemons anymore).... Leaves us with Khorne daemon units that collect dust.

This was my literal favorite army to play for the last four years and it's just sitting at the moment. (Same with death guard, different story.) I'm worried mono-daemon lists are going away, I'm playing other armies since I overall like 8th. But khorne is not even fun in non-comp play.

Azuza001 wrote:
I disagree, bloodletters are very squishy but very nasty with a keeper of skulls nearby.

You're welcome to disagree, and I say this in the nicest way possible, disagreeing doesn't make it correct.

Khorne Daemons, specifically, are probably one of the weakest things in the game. If they somehow make it into Melee, they're fine. However, it's not likely they make it there.

Bloodletters are fantastic unit from a price point to power output perspective. They just have no reliable delivery system, which I could all but guarantee will be fixed in Codex Daemons. Once that happens, they will see quite a bit of play. They essentially have power swords and an invul at what, 7ish points a model? And with a trait similar to the red thirst. They really only suffer from a delivery system but are otherwise fantastic.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

Azuza001 wrote:
I disagree, bloodletters are very squishy but very nasty with a keeper of skulls nearby.

You're welcome to disagree, and I say this in the nicest way possible, disagreeing doesn't make it correct.

Khorne Daemons, specifically, are probably one of the weakest things in the game. If they somehow make it into Melee, they're fine. However, it's not likely they make it there.

Oh it's fine, I understand how easily they die that's why I want more. So when 40 die I still have 20 lol. They are phenomenal units with 0 delivery options past trying to summon which is dangerous at times. Best solution I have found has been 3 rhinos with beserkers in then and a sorcerer with jump pack (or lord it's your choice). 1st Turn run the rhinos full speed ahead and pop smoke. Drop the sorcerer in deep strike. 2nd turn jump out (assuming rhinos still around) and charge, with sorcerer summoning in deamons. Hopefully they can charge but it's really the only way to get them anywhere fast vs just advancing. Normally my opponent is forced to either focus on the 20ish surviving beserkers from the rhinos or the 20 Bloodletters, and normally the bloodletters are ignored.

Or just run them on foot and hope the beserker rhinos take the heat

Hoodwink wrote:
Bloodletters are fantastic unit from a price point to power output perspective. They just have no reliable delivery system, which I could all but guarantee will be fixed in Codex Daemons. Once that happens, they will see quite a bit of play. They essentially have power swords and an invul at what, 7ish points a model? And with a trait similar to the red thirst. They really only suffer from a delivery system but are otherwise fantastic.

Yeah this was discussed in other thread. Blodletters by pure stats are one of the best units in the game for all what they have just for 7points. But the context of their army matters, and as you said they have no delivery methods. If they had something like native deepstrike, or vehicles in their army, etc... they should be more expensive.

I think it all depends on the delivery system. If they had something like the "spend 1 CP to deepstrike one unit" stratagem, then you are already paying for that delivery system cost.

It'll all come down to the Codex. Personally, I'm waiting to plan anything in the future until then.

Hoodwink wrote:
I think it all depends on the delivery system. If they had something like the "spend 1 CP to deepstrike one unit" stratagem, then you are already paying for that delivery system cost.

What a strange world that would be: having Daemons that could deep strike.

(To be clear, the sarcasm is aimed at GW, not you)

Deamonkin book was one of the most flavorful and balanced codecies GW has made in the past decade.
Really hope when it rereleases well see new models like death Guard and tzeentch got. Similar to the AoS stuff, because berzerker models look like ass.