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3rdlegion wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Before we all crush on Slaanesh, let's see what the rules are.

Everything I've heard about this Codex is complex and requires a combination / specific build to get the full value. Not used to thinking about Daemons that way in the first place, going to need to really think about it before we can say anything is truly useless.

Indeed and that's why I am asking for info and clarification. Because so far everything that has been revealed about the Slaanesh faction seems lacking.

Hikaru, are you able to give us Slaanesh players more info?

I already mentioned that aside from 1-2 heralds for powers and maybe random stuff like 1-2 small unit of seekers for disruption, I'd rather bring Khorne.


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 techsoldaten wrote:
Before we all crush on Slaanesh, let's see what the rules are.

Everything I've heard about this Codex is complex and requires a combination / specific build to get the full value. Not used to thinking about Daemons that way in the first place, going to need to really think about it before we can say anything is truly useless.

I am more used to daemons requiring a lot of inter-locking pieces and buff stacking.

xxhikaru123 wrote:

3rdlegion wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Before we all crush on Slaanesh, let's see what the rules are.

Everything I've heard about this Codex is complex and requires a combination / specific build to get the full value. Not used to thinking about Daemons that way in the first place, going to need to really think about it before we can say anything is truly useless.

Indeed and that's why I am asking for info and clarification. Because so far everything that has been revealed about the Slaanesh faction seems lacking.

Hikaru, are you able to give us Slaanesh players more info?

I already mentioned that aside from 1-2 heralds for powers and maybe random stuff like 1-2 small unit of seekers for disruption, I'd rather bring Khorne.


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 techsoldaten wrote:
Before we all crush on Slaanesh, let's see what the rules are.

Everything I've heard about this Codex is complex and requires a combination / specific build to get the full value. Not used to thinking about Daemons that way in the first place, going to need to really think about it before we can say anything is truly useless.

I am more used to daemons requiring a lot of inter-locking pieces and buff stacking.

You would rather bring Khorne isn't giving us Slaanesh players any more info on the faction, which was my question specifically. Not everyone plays Khorne or wants to. But if that's all you are willing to share then fair enough and thanks for your time.

I have already listed the most useful non-weapon artefact for Slaanesh as well as their new powers.

I can double check if I have mentioned Slaanesh warlord traits. I am not sure if there is anything else you might be wishing for?

xxhikaru123 wrote:
I have already listed the most useful non-weapon artefact for Slaanesh as well as their new powers.

I can double check if I have mentioned Slaanesh warlord traits. I am not sure if there is anything else you might be wishing for?

What are the Warlord traits, please.

The point costs not going down on a lot of daemons just confirms to me that GW still doesn’t understand multi-wound infantry/bike/cav models are not as good this edition. It is why terminators and bikes are over costed and why daemon armies will end up being the basic troops and characters other than probably flamers. And that is only for deep strike bomb.

Slaanesh

1. 3" To M
2. Reroll fail hit and wound against Char.
3. If warlord charges, add D3 to Attacks until end of ensuing fight phases. (roll D3 after charge)
4. Each time you make a wound roll of 6+ in fight phase. Suffers an additional MW.
5. Add 1 to warlord Attack characteristics.
6. Enemy model -1 attack (min 1) within 6" of your warlord. Does not affect vehicles.

I like 6, but very specific and dependent on opposing army.

drakerocket wrote:
And vastly better against anything multi wound. Daemonettes are worse than bloodletters have the same points and the same role. So yeah, it'd be cool if that was shifted. Part of that is quicksilver reflexes being quite poor in practice.

To be fair though Bloodletters went several editions being garbage in comparison to Daemonettes. That's GW Daemons rules writing for you, they either vastly overate or underrate the power of various unit every iteration. I'm honestly more frustrated that my Heralds are trash in melee even with being boosted to Damage 2. Going from Etherblades last codex to having AP-1 and sometimes AP-4, is garbage when any Marine Sgt can snag AP-3 with a 4 pt power sword. If they wanted to give us some DMG 2 love, it should just have been an upgrade to Daemonettes since the box comes with 4 giant claws. It is what it it is. I'm not going to stop playing mono-Slaanesh, we've been bad before its nothing new. I for one can't wait to read GW's article tomorrow explaining how absolutely "AMAZING" Slaanesh is now, though.


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xxhikaru123 wrote:
Slaanesh

1. 3" To M
2. Reroll fail hit and wound against Char.
3. If warlord charges, add D3 to Attacks until end of ensuing fight phases. (roll D3 after charge)
4. Each time you make a wound roll of 6+ in fight phase. Suffers an additional MW.
5. Add 1 to warlord Attack characteristics.
6. Enemy model -1 attack (min 1) within 6" of your warlord. Does not affect vehicles.

I like 6, but very specific and dependent on opposing army.

Those actually, aren't bad. Was there just the one Slaanesh relic or were the other just one artifact or can you share any others?

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Slaanesh

1. 3" To M
2. Reroll fail hit and wound against Char.
3. If warlord charges, add D3 to Attacks until end of ensuing fight phases. (roll D3 after charge)
4. Each time you make a wound roll of 6+ in fight phase. Suffers an additional MW.
5. Add 1 to warlord Attack characteristics.
6. Enemy model -1 attack (min 1) within 6" of your warlord. Does not affect vehicles.

I like 6, but very specific and dependent on opposing army.

Very nice, thanks for the info. Any chance we could see the Khorne traits as well?

Small request of 2 bits:

The gw tzeentch reveal seemed to allude to blue horrors having a shooting attack now, is this correct or just community page hype being poorly worded again?

Second and more important bit:

can you give us an idea of how the loci they spoiled in the original faction focus are obtained/distributed?

is it an effect that only occurs in mono-god detachments, and which units provide the effects?

more info on the army-wide rules and if there were any changes to summoning in there would be very much appreciated. Thanks for all you've shared so far!

bilepiper rules pleaseee

 WindstormSCR wrote:
Small request of 2 bits:

The gw tzeentch reveal seemed to allude to blue horrors having a shooting attack now, is this correct or just community page hype being poorly worded again?

no. only pink horrors can shoot.

Yeah, I guess the only big bit we're missing is the Nurgle Piper rules.

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 WindstormSCR wrote:
Small request of 2 bits:

The gw tzeentch reveal seemed to allude to blue horrors having a shooting attack now, is this correct or just community page hype being poorly worded again?

no. only pink horrors can shoot.

I figured as much, for the loci, I'm mostly interested if they're the incentive to mono-god, or if they're just an additional aura for characters.

Khorne

1. Each time an enemy unit fails morale within 8" of your warlord, that unit loses 1 additional model.
2. Add 1 to warlord Attack characteristics, if there are more enemy models within 8" of it than friendly models.
3. 6+++ FnP. if you pass the 6+++ FnP, you can reroll all failed hits and wounds until end of your next turn. ( )
4. +1 warlord Strength
5. Each time ur warlord fights, can make a single attack instead of normal cc attack. Make a single hit roll, if successful, target suffers D3MW.
6. Reroll hits of 1 for friendly Khorne Daemon units that charged this turn and are within 8" of your Warlord when they fight ( )

Tzeentch

1. Add 1 to result of 1st psychic test taken by your warlord.
2. reduce all dmg by 1 (min1 to warlord)
3. reroll failed morale test for friendly tz daemons within 9 of warlord.
4. add 6" to range of first psychic power casted by warlord
5. roll d6, 2+ ignore perils of warp.
6. Reroll wounds rolls of 1 by tzeentch daemons for shooting phase, within 9" of warlord.

Nurgle
1. +1 Wound
2. Each time warlord lose Wound in fight phase. 4+ , unit that caused that wound to the warlord , suffers a MW.
3. Your opponent must subtract -1 from all hit roll that target warlord if attacking unit within 7"
4. Add 1 to all wound roll made by warlord in the fight phase unless target vehicle.
5. Warlord got a 4+ save.
6. Roll a dice for each enemy within 1" of warlord at start of your turn. On a 4+, that unit suffers a MW.

Thanks a lot!

Does Skarbrand have a set warlord trait or can you choose for him?

xxhikaru123 wrote:

WL trait stuff

Neat. Tzeentch #2 plus the impossible robe would make for a nicely durable LoC

 WindstormSCR wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:

WL trait stuff

Neat. Tzeentch #2 plus the impossible robe would make for a nicely durable LoC

not my cup of tea but yeah , it makes the LoC pretty dang thick.

Wow, interesting warlord traits!!



xxhikaru, thanks a lot

But do you hate bilipiper herald? You havent said anything about it

zamerion wrote:
Wow, interesting warlord traits!!



xxhikaru, thanks a lot

But do you hate bilipiper herald? You havent said anything about it

Must make you guys buy the codex, otherwise, i will regret doing this.

xxhikaru123 wrote:
not my cup of tea but yeah , it makes the LoC pretty dang thick.

I recently started an AoS/40k mono tzeentch, and the only real problem with the LoC has been surviving to make back his points. Now that he'll have a reasonable chance to do so, it makes taking him not seem like a handicap anymore, and with the new powers the extra casting potential looks useful over a herald

xxhikaru123 wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Wow, interesting warlord traits!!



xxhikaru, thanks a lot

But do you hate bilipiper herald? You havent said anything about it

Must make you guys buy the codex, otherwise, i will regret doing this.

Already ordered it from LGS! Interested if nurgle has anything else for heavy spot apart from grinders. And if grinders have any changes apart from canon..?

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Khorne

1. Each time an enemy unit fails morale within 8" of your warlord, that unit loses 1 additional model.
2. Add 1 to warlord Attack characteristics, if there are more enemy models within 8" of it than friendly models.
3. 6+++ FnP. if you pass the 6+++ FnP, you can reroll all failed hits and wounds until end of your next turn. ( )
4. +1 warlord Strength
5. Each time ur warlord fights, can make a single attack instead of normal cc attack. Make a single hit roll, if successful, target suffers D3MW.
6. Reroll hits of 1 for friendly Khorne Daemon units that charged this turn and are within 8" of your Warlord when they fight ( )

Tzeentch

1. Add 1 to result of 1st psychic test taken by your warlord.
2. reduce all dmg by 1 (min1 to warlord)
3. reroll failed morale test for friendly tz daemons within 9 of warlord.
4. add 6" to range of first psychic power casted by warlord
5. roll d6, 2+ ignore perils of warp.
6. Reroll wounds rolls of 1 by tzeentch daemons for shooting phase, within 9" of warlord.

Nurgle
1. +1 Wound
2. Each time warlord lose Wound in fight phase. 4+ , unit that caused that wound to the warlord , suffers a MW.
3. Your opponent must subtract -1 from all hit roll that target warlord if attacking unit within 7"
4. Add 1 to all wound roll made by warlord in the fight phase unless target vehicle.
5. Warlord got a 4+ save.
6. Roll a dice for each enemy within 1" of warlord at start of your turn. On a 4+, that unit suffers a MW.

Can you tell us which warlord traits are assigned to the named daemons? I'm specifically interested in Kairos though I imagine players of other gods might be wondering about their named characters.

Also is epidemius the same? Cause if he hasn’t changed then he will work as before buffing and getting buffs from oblits etc.

xxhikaru123 wrote:
Must make you guys buy the codex, otherwise, i will regret doing this.

hahahaha

Good point.

Tomorrow im going to preorder it sure. I'm just an impatient and I need to know to start thinking lists.

anyway, thank you

Has it been confirmed that pre-orders will be up tomorrow?

Errr... that's 4++ on the nurgle warlord trait.... right? ._.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Errr... that's 4++ on the nurgle warlord trait.... right? ._.

4+. 2+ standing in the tree I suppose. Or rly good against bolter / no AP fire.

Yeah...........................................................................................................................................................................................

Anywho, 3'' movement ain't terrible. KoS+Seekers might be cool :(

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Errr... that's 4++ on the nurgle warlord trait.... right? ._.

4+. 2+ standing in the tree I suppose. Or rly good against bolter / no AP fire.

Any chance you could get us the timing on triggering the universal +1 inv stratagem?

Timing makes or breaks defensive stratagems.

During your own turn: awful
Start of opponent turn: decent
When targeted by an attack: great
When rolling saves: amazing

Aetauraokas FW Changer of ways with the -1 wound warlord trait is going to be amusing.