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If an enemy unit charges one of your characters and there are no other units involved or nearby can that character make a heroic intervention? Can you make a heroism c intervention if you are in base contact with an enemy and simply choose not to move? Can a character who was already engaged with an enemy unit at the start of your opponents turn make a heroic intervention if nothing in his combat area changed?

For reference:
Heroic Intervention
A er the enemy has completed all of their charge moves, any
of your Characters that are within 3" of an enemy unit may perform a Heroic Intervention. Any that do so can move up to 3", so long as they end the move closer to the nearest enemy model.

My interpretation here is that any character in a combat or within 3” of an enemy may make this intervention. You may have a unit simply standing 2” from an enemy and have them intervene at the end of the charge phase thus creating a combat! A strict reading seems to me that you can call heroic intervention if you’re in base contact with an enemy, you just can’t choose to move since you can’t get any closer and that the restriction on movement.
I’m looking for some consensus on clarity on whether this is as easy to trigger as it seems, I’m looking at the Blood Angels +1 to wound rolls and it seems that characters should almost always have it active.

Edit:spelling

The unit your trying to intervene into has to have made a charge move before you can use HI. So, if you're already in combat or the unit just moves within 3" of you you can't trigger the strategy.

I think that if the character is already in base to base contact with another model then it cannot move 3" to intervene in another combat. If already engaged then unable to intervene in anything besides the combat that it is already a part of. SO:

1) If an enemy unit charges one of your characters and there are no other units involved or nearby can that character make a heroic intervention?

No.

2) Can you make a heroism c intervention if you are in base contact with an enemy and simply choose not to move?

No.

3) Can a character who was already engaged with an enemy unit at the start of your opponents turn make a heroic intervention if nothing in his combat area changed?

No.

Yes, that's how heroic intervention works now. There is no requirement for them to Heroically Intervene a unit that charged or a unit that is already within 1" of an enemy.

 jeff white wrote:

1) If an enemy unit charges one of your characters and there are no other units involved or nearby can that character make a heroic intervention?

No.

2) Can you make a heroism c intervention if you are in base contact with an enemy and simply choose not to move?

No.

3) Can a character who was already engaged with an enemy unit at the start of your opponents turn make a heroic intervention if nothing in his combat area changed?

No.

Would you be willing to explain why you think the answer is no to these questions? Lots of people I’ve talked to in person say similar things but can’t back it up with a why. The HI rule isn’t a long or complicated one yet in many games people tell me I’m doing something wrong or don’t understand the restrictions on it and it seems to me those restrictions don’t exist. It’s pretty well evidenced by the fact that over 3 replies I got three different options.

My hope for this thread is to take away a clear understanding of the uses and limits of HI and hopefully a reasoned way I can use to explain it to others.

A character who already is in base to base contact with the enemy cannot move any closer towards the nearest enemy model. You cant move closer than 0".

p5freak wrote:
A character who already is in base to base contact with the enemy cannot move any closer towards the nearest enemy model. You cant move closer than 0".

Surely the move is optional though?

Worth to notice the rule must be performed after the enemy player completed ALL their charge moves. (wich means only can be performed in the oponent phase not yours)

And only if you have a character that is within 3" of an enemy unit. (wich work as a pseudo pre-pile in move in order to bring your character to a fight phase they would otherwise miss it )

about your questions.

1: Character received the charge, you can perform a heroic intervention but this is resolved the same as a pile in move so it's pretty much irrelevant (as you'll be already in base to base)

2: You are in base to base with an enemy , *again you can perform an Heroic intervention RAW wise* but since it forces you to move closer to the enemy and you can't move closer than Base to base, it's pretty much irrelevant since you can't move the character in any meaningful way.

3: No because as the rule properly point you can only perform Heroic intervention *when your oponnent has completed all of their charge moves* so it only can be resolved in the opponent fight phase not at the beginning of their Turn (wich falls before movement is done)

In example 3 I meant that assuming nothing relevant happens for their turn and they make no charges. Edit: ... and you want to HI at the appropriate time, not the start of turn.

This is all relevant because Blood Angels receive +1 to their wound rolls if they charge, we’re charged or made a heroic intervention.
Looking at this I can see no reason a BA character would not always be receiving this bonus on your opponents turn. (The exception being when they are piled or consolidated into and we’re not charged or already in combat.)

Again on example 3 my assumption is that I can still HI once my opponent declares no charges since they are then done with charging.

There are no completed charges if the enemy didnt charge. No HI for you.

Lets take this in another vein.

So if You make a heroic intervention....does that count as a charge? for the purposes of who fights in what order?

Because even if you did not move then your previously engaged character would bump up in the sequence of the Fight phase resolution?

So does HI count as charging?

No. It would say so if it did.

 admironheart wrote:
Lets take this in another vein.

So if You make a heroic intervention....does that count as a charge? for the purposes of who fights in what order?

Because even if you did not move then your previously engaged character would bump up in the sequence of the Fight phase resolution?

So does HI count as charging?

No, it doesn't.

Okay, in the interest of visual aids I've made an image (attached) detailing some examples of uses of HI. I've phrased some parts as questions since there seems to be disagreement but my reading of HI is that it CAN be used in all examples.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
The unit your trying to intervene into has to have made a charge move before you can use HI. So, if you're already in combat or the unit just moves within 3" of you you can't trigger the strategy.

Where does it state that?
All it requires is that he enemy has completed all their charges, and the character is within 3” of a unit. Not a unit that’s charged, or any other stipulation.

It appears that I misread the OP's post.

Yeah, it could be argued that 'all charges' can be zero charges. The sentence merely is for timing of HI.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, it could be argued that 'all charges' can be zero charges. The sentence merely is for timing of HI.

IF that was the intent the wording would surely be "at the end of the Charge Phase". As they specified after all Charge Moves have been made I'm inclined to believe it requires a charging unit to be allowed to do a HI. That's the thematic thrust anyway... your unit gets charged, the boss dives in to help. It's not intended to be a free move because you just ended up near-but-not-near-enough-to-fight in your own turn.

That or it's lazy colloquial wording that means "at the end of the Charge Phase". Who knows!

I'm inclined to believe that your opponent doesn't need to have performed any charges for you to carry out a Heroic Intervention.

There is this from the designers commentary:
Q: Can Characters only perform a Heroic Intervention against enemy units that charged this turn, or can they do so against any enemy unit?
A: They can do so against any enemy unit.
Note that they can only do so if they end up closer to the nearest enemy model, whether it charged this turn or not.

So the written rule, that you can intervene against any enemy unit not just one that charged, appears to be the intended rule as well. And if a change against a unit 6 feet away up the other end of the table can trigger an intervention then it seems as logical/thematic that no charges can also trigger one, which is how I read the rule as written. The rule does seem to just allow an extra 3" of movement for a character. Which I admit is odd, and isn't what I would call a heroic intervention, but there you go.

Does the character even need to be able to get into hth to use any of the 3" move....or just closer to the enemy???

Well, they have to be within 3", so by definition they have to be able to get within 1" of the enemy to heroically intervene. They don't have to end the move within 1", though, so you could opt to move from 3" away to 1.5" away if you wanted to get slightly closer but not get into fighting distance for some reason.