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tneva82 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
8th is better in every way except for vehicle facings and templates, those are mostly a matter of taste but fit very well in Heresy with it's abundance of vehicles. Would be trivial to add them to the 8th rule set though, so I hope that's what they'll do when they finish the books and finally switch over. Maybe then there will be at least some hope of getting someone to play Heresy in my group.

And except logical rules and balance.

Hopefully they never switch over. I want my HH games remain a) logical b) balanced. 8th ed switch would require complete rewrite from scratch to accomplish that for HH.

I'd love to see your definition of logical and balanced. Probably a lot different from everyone else's.

 Davespil wrote:

I'd love to see your definition of logical and balanced. Probably a lot different from everyone else's.

Oh come on, a bike rider protecting a bunch of infantry by dodging bullets aimed at them is perfectly logical!

 Yodhrin wrote:

And the primary purpose of this product was to flesh out the sodding AdMech in 40K. It was finished, and while everyone grasps that they had to update the rules even if they don't care for 8th, the fact it's now apparently being even further delayed to change the background material for no worthwhile reason given FW sell one Primaris-related kit and it's a HUEG superheavy that only a handful of people will ever buy.

That's the primary reason many people want the book, but the primary purpose of the Imperial Armour books has never been the rules. They're there to support the story and models.

Which is also why they're talking about alternative versions of the Primarchs (be that daemons, or simply the same character later in the Heresy. All the ones we have now are basically presented as they were at the outbreak of the war); because that's where the Heresy story is going, so they want the models to reflect that.

The rules are the primary tool for encouraging sales of the models beyond the mere fact of the models themselves existing. Without those, the model is a display piece.

Forge World was set up to make display pieces. The fact remains, the books are written to tell a story, with the rules then provided in support of that. They're not written to primarily provide stat lines with the fluff there to fill up the blank areas with pretty pictures.

In the case of Fires of Cyraxus, Andy wrote it to tell a particular story. The setting has now changed so the story doesn't fit, so it's been pushed back until it can be revised to suit. However, 40k sourcebooks aren't apparently a priority for Forge World.

Carrying over from last page

 zedmeister wrote:
Ordinatus Mole!

Courtesy of M_R_Parker of B&C

As well as these from Warhammer Community. Clearer than the screen grabs. Open Day release maybe?

Malevolence is the eighth Horus Heresy book, set during the investigation of the Signus System and the shadow campaign in the Chondax System. Signus is one of the most important war zones of the Horus Heresy, seeing Daemons unleashed en-masse and Sanguinius’ fateful duel with the Bloodthirster Ka’Bandha. This book will provide both a new perspective on some iconic lore, as well as an exploration of the hidden histories of this dark chapter for the Imperium.

Inside, you’ll find rules for new Legion units, an army list for Daemons of the Ruinstorm, campaigns set on Signus Prime and the events surrounding what occurred in the Chondax System. As well as looking at the Blood Angels and White Scars, this book will also include additional content for the Alpha Legion and Space Wolves.

 Crimson wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

I'd love to see your definition of logical and balanced. Probably a lot different from everyone else's.

Oh come on, a bike rider protecting a bunch of infantry by dodging bullets aimed at them is perfectly logical!

Ah yes, the dumb illogical 7th edition. Good thing we now have baneblades able to shoot all of their guns out of a tiny bit of track sticking out of a shotblocker. Or guardsmen surviving their valkyrie crashing full speed into the ground on 2+.

Seems like HH is the only option left for people that are unhappy with the current state of 40k. Oh well, having much less variety due to setting constraints is not something I'm too happy about, but I'll take this over the dumpster fire of 8th edition any day of the week.

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

I'd love to see your definition of logical and balanced. Probably a lot different from everyone else's.

Oh come on, a bike rider protecting a bunch of infantry by dodging bullets aimed at them is perfectly logical!

Ah yes, the dumb illogical 7th edition. Good thing we now have baneblades able to shoot all of their guns out of a tiny bit of track sticking out of a shotblocker. Or guardsmen surviving their valkyrie crashing full speed into the ground on 2+.

Seems like HH is the only option left for people that are unhappy with the current state of 40k. Oh well, having much less variety due to setting constraints is not something I'm too happy about, but I'll take this over the dumpster fire of 8th edition any day of the week.

As illogical as an EW character tanking 3 Lascannons because? Or Lightning Claws ignoring everything up to Terminator armor and then it just kinda flings off?

Let's not use the illogical argument please. Both systems have their own amount of it.


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tneva82 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
8th is better in every way except for vehicle facings and templates, those are mostly a matter of taste but fit very well in Heresy with it's abundance of vehicles. Would be trivial to add them to the 8th rule set though, so I hope that's what they'll do when they finish the books and finally switch over. Maybe then there will be at least some hope of getting someone to play Heresy in my group.

And except logical rules and balance.

Hopefully they never switch over. I want my HH games remain a) logical b) balanced. 8th ed switch would require complete rewrite from scratch to accomplish that for HH.

I LOL at the notion of 7th edition being balanced in any sense of the word. Are those Lascannons actually being used as AT again instead of literally anything else? Gimme a break.

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:
Ah yes, the dumb illogical 7th edition. Good thing we now have baneblades able to shoot all of their guns out of a tiny bit of track sticking out of a shotblocker. Or guardsmen surviving their valkyrie crashing full speed into the ground on 2+.

You'd maybe have a point, Einstein, if literally every frakking model other than vehicles didn't do the exact same thing in 7th. Where are gun facings on infantry? Primarchs? Monstrous creatures? Gee, guess what, every turn in the game is abstract representation of a few minutes of combat on a battlefield and there is plenty of time for a tank to dive out, fire, and go back to previous position. The fact that it's so colossally difficult to grasp to some (even despite they accept all other their models do so, where is whining about SM firing out of his butt?) is just sad, really. All the gun facings added was stupid minutiae and opportunity for TFGs to declare your gun (with exceptionally ill defined allowed facings) is 0.4 degrees out of position, so it can't fire. See comically stupid debacle in last two editions about Knights being not allowed to fire their guns directly in front of them - if that is logic to you, then bravo.

Ditto for armor facings, most of the time they made no sense (see exposed engine on Land Raider being propa 'ard, unlike fronts of tanks like Predator or HH) and the fact the facing you being allowed to fire on was defined on badly defined, invisible diagonal line (which meant the exact same model half inch to the right had vastly easier shot, or that you were forced to fire on the front of the tank despite it being totally obscured, not at the exposed, weak side your model saw perfectly well) - if that is logic to you, it's the same kind Riddler or Joker would use.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like ramming full speed into the ground to gently push a few guys around, before becoming airborne again, or being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done), you had stuff like SM pulling brand new plasma guns out of their behind as soon as one they held exploded, guy in power armour with a bit of gilding glued on laughing at stuff penetrating all other PA models like wearer was naked, while also somehow magically intercepting fire meant for whole squad with his chest, drop pods magically making split second course changes to avoid touching enemy, blasts from guns that supposedly level whole buildings only ever deal a slight scratch to you if you eat some steroids and harden your six-pack in gym (aka T5 meaning having EW vs 98% of the guns in game, T6 being plain immune to death even from titan sized gun opening salvo), everyone punching like mewling kitten being unable to defeat even 6+ save, even dreadnoughts (if lacking CCW) unless you again packed a bit of muscle in the gym, then your punches somehow mutate into plasma pistols as soon as you get that coveted MC status. Etc, etc. Logic!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

I'd love to see your definition of logical and balanced. Probably a lot different from everyone else's.

Oh come on, a bike rider protecting a bunch of infantry by dodging bullets aimed at them is perfectly logical!

Ah yes, the dumb illogical 7th edition. Good thing we now have baneblades able to shoot all of their guns out of a tiny bit of track sticking out of a shotblocker. Or guardsmen surviving their valkyrie crashing full speed into the ground on 2+.

Seems like HH is the only option left for people that are unhappy with the current state of 40k. Oh well, having much less variety due to setting constraints is not something I'm too happy about, but I'll take this over the dumpster fire of 8th edition any day of the week.

As illogical as an EW character tanking 3 Lascannons because? Or Lightning Claws ignoring everything up to Terminator armor and then it just kinda flings off?

Let's not use the illogical argument please. Both systems have their own amount of it.


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tneva82 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
8th is better in every way except for vehicle facings and templates, those are mostly a matter of taste but fit very well in Heresy with it's abundance of vehicles. Would be trivial to add them to the 8th rule set though, so I hope that's what they'll do when they finish the books and finally switch over. Maybe then there will be at least some hope of getting someone to play Heresy in my group.

And except logical rules and balance.

Hopefully they never switch over. I want my HH games remain a) logical b) balanced. 8th ed switch would require complete rewrite from scratch to accomplish that for HH.

I LOL at the notion of 7th edition being balanced in any sense of the word. Are those Lascannons actually being used as AT again instead of literally anything else? Gimme a break.

I LOL at the notion of 8th edition being balanced in any sense of the word. Is anything other than Plasma being used for literally anything? Gimme a break. Also Cough"Jetbikes"cough Cough"Unkillable Characters"cough If you think 8th is balanced then I think HH would probably be to difficult for you and you might want to give it a miss anyway.

Look I know some people like to shove big blobs of models around while rolling buckets of dice and going pew pew without having to worry about tactics or thinking too much and that's what we used to have AoS for, sadly we now have the dumpster fire that is 8th as well so I am happy that there is still an actual wargame produced by a faction of GW.


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 Irbis wrote:

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:
Ah yes, the dumb illogical 7th edition. Good thing we now have baneblades able to shoot all of their guns out of a tiny bit of track sticking out of a shotblocker. Or guardsmen surviving their valkyrie crashing full speed into the ground on 2+.

You'd maybe have a point, Einstein, if literally every frakking model other than vehicles didn't do the exact same thing in 7th. Where are gun facings on infantry? Primarchs? Monstrous creatures? Gee, guess what, every turn in the game is abstract representation of a few minutes of combat on a battlefield and there is plenty of time for a tank to dive out, fire, and go back to previous position. The fact that it's so colossally difficult to grasp to some (even despite they accept all other their models do so, where is whining about SM firing out of his butt?) is just sad, really. All the gun facings added was stupid minutiae and opportunity for TFGs to declare your gun (with exceptionally ill defined allowed facings) is 0.4 degrees out of position, so it can't fire. See comically stupid debacle in last two editions about Knights being not allowed to fire their guns directly in front of them - if that is logic to you, then bravo.

Ditto for armor facings, most of the time they made no sense (see exposed engine on Land Raider being propa 'ard, unlike fronts of tanks like Predator or HH) and the fact the facing you being allowed to fire on was defined on badly defined, invisible diagonal line (which meant the exact same model half inch to the right had vastly easier shot, or that you were forced to fire on the front of the tank despite it being totally obscured, not at the exposed, weak side your model saw perfectly well) - if that is logic to you, it's the same kind Riddler or Joker would use.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like ramming full speed into the ground to gently push a few guys around, before becoming airborne again, or being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done), you had stuff like SM pulling brand new plasma guns out of their behind as soon as one they held exploded, guy in power armour with a bit of gilding glued on laughing at stuff penetrating all other PA models like wearer was naked, while also somehow magically intercepting fire meant for whole squad with his chest, drop pods magically making split second course changes to avoid touching enemy, blasts from guns that supposedly level whole buildings only ever deal a slight scratch to you if you eat some steroids and harden your six-pack in gym (aka T5 meaning having EW vs 98% of the guns in game, T6 being plain immune to death even from titan sized gun opening salvo), everyone punching like mewling kitten being unable to defeat even 6+ save, even dreadnoughts (if lacking CCW) unless you again packed a bit of muscle in the gym, then your punches somehow mutate into plasma pistols as soon as you get that coveted MC status. Etc, etc. Logic!

Wow you I am not even going to reply to just quote so when you stop frothing and figure out how badly you little rant just embarrassed yourself you cannot delete it.
Ok 1 thing because it's just that dumb, you do know that the reason infantry did not have firing arcs was because people/aliens/creatures can you know turn pretty quick you can even try it stand up and turn round, see how easy that was. Damn no wonder they had to simplify 8th so much.
I would respond to the rest but I don't want to overwhelm you and rule 1.

Take it somewhere else.

Yeah how fast do you think a Hierophant is actually turning again?

 TalonZahn wrote:
Take it somewhere else.

Yes please. Please start a separate thread in the appropriate subforum.

Wasn't thrilled with the Termite, it was OK
The Mole on the other hand looks awesome.

 Rolsheen wrote:
Wasn't thrilled with the Termite, it was OK
The Mole on the other hand looks awesome.

It looks like a toy.
That kind of toy.
It scares me.

...and sometimes a cigar is...just a cigar?

Either way, another impractical thing that should only see the table at 6mm-8mm scale!

 Mysterio wrote:
...and sometimes a cigar is...just a cigar?

Either way, another impractical thing that should only see the table at 6mm-8mm scale!

Speak for yourself, I'm hoping we get enough of these "impractical" items to have a decent spread and play upscaled games of Epic. Kind of like Travel 40K in reverse.

On a table size of...what...60' x 40'?!?

 Mysterio wrote:
On a table size of...what...60' x 40'?!?

Once upon a time when I called a much bigger building home, we managed a 40' by 40' table.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
On a table size of...what...60' x 40'?!?

Once upon a time when I called a much bigger building home, we managed a 40' by 40' table.

How did you even play on that? Couldn’t reach more than a few feet in.

 ImAGeek wrote:

How did you even play on that? Couldn’t reach more than a few feet in.

There were sections through it that could be opened and closed. as needed.

Just need one of those crane games from the arcade to move models around.

Gym floors for really big games

40k Ad-Mech Terrax rules!

Download

Peltasts

Hoplites

Now that Ad-Mech have their first transport, expect the Terrax about to sell out in 3, 2...

New space marines! And by "new", I mean "newly going OOP": https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/searchResults?N=2968643484+3077008151

Blimey, some of those red scorpion upgrades and barely a year or so old...

 zedmeister wrote:
40k Ad-Mech Terrax rules!

Oh god it's beautiful. Everything the pathetic 30k version wishes it could be. Now if only FW would acknowledge the rightful owners of the best combat engineers in 40k and give it to the DKoK as well.

Amazing new releases. Pretty damn close to ‘event tickets’.

 Peregrine wrote:
New space marines! And by "new", I mean "newly going OOP": https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/searchResults?N=2968643484+3077008151

and people said i was being 'alarmist'......

I am assuming the Arc Lance is S+6 in melee?

The Terrax drill is lovely though, need to get a couple now!