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SeanDrake wrote:


There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be £90 with a free warlord.

Is Andy the chap doing FW messages on FB ?

I have not seen him say that weapons packs will not be coming at all ever, only that there are no plans as yet, care to link where it was said ?

I really need to make my mind up what im doing, I have over £500 quids worth of stuff sat here and im not sure I still want it.

 Rayvon wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


There has been an official response saying no weapon pack will be made available on its own. Then when people pointed out that weapon packs had been mentioned Andy Horae pooped up on FB saying he was careful at no point to say weapon packs would be available seperately despite them being mentioned multiple times. So they have planned this since before launch but did not have the balls to say so despite knowing all along that the weapon packs were going to be £90 with a free warlord.

Is Andy the chap doing FW messages on FB ?

I have not seen him say that weapons packs will not be coming at all ever, only that there are no plans as yet, care to link where it was said ?

I really need to make my mind up what im doing, I have over £500 quids worth of stuff sat here and im not sure I still want it.

Andy is the head of specialist games or some such and he stepped in the people started getting pissed.

Can you link to the 'official' response saying 'no separate weapon packs ever' please?

Thanks!

I too would be interested in knowing where this confirmation came from. If you can't provide a link, at least say where it's meant to have come from? If you can?

It seems that common sense has prevailed.

The response on our Forge World Facebook page has been immense, with thousands of you expressing your excitement, and many of you asking whether you’ll be able to get the new weapon options separately.

Well, we’ve heard your voices and, having incanted the litanies of swift delivery, we can confirm the weapon frame from the new Warlord Battle Titan with Plasma Annihilator and Power Claw will be made available separately early in the new year.

Wardens of Gondor are up for pre-order: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Wardens-of-Gondor-2018

Hallelujah, it's about time these made an appearance.

Not to beat the long mummified remnants of a dead horse, but ye gads, look at the unpainted versions of those faces compared to what the guy has done to them.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not to beat the long mummified remnants of a dead horse, but ye gads, look at the unpainted versions of those faces compared to what the guy has done to them.

They should have painted them with a different hair colour of something, they look totally "Not-Aragorns" with that paintjob.

And also, yeah.

Mutated asiatic aragorn without eyebrowns:


vs
Stoic knight of the West

Is this the best FW paint job in years?

Even forgetting the work on the faces, that's better quality than I've seen in some time from them.

Got to give the guy his due however. The face is godawful, but the horse is fantastic.

Way better than sewer croc.

Warbringer Nemesis Titan incoming (before Christmas)!

They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.

Nope - the Mori Quake Cannon is an arm weapon for a Warlord (and there isn't a model for it yet). The Warbringer Nemesis is smaller & more heavily armoured than a Warlord ("Sitting between the Warlord and Reaver in size"), and it has Reaver arms.

beast_gts wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
They seem to imply that this new titan is special because it can carry around a Quake cannon. Perhaps I'm out of touch with a changed background, but can't Warlords theoretically carry around multiple Quake cannons? I could have sworn you could mount 4 of them if you really wanted to.

Nope - the Mori Quake Cannon is an arm weapon for a Warlord (and there isn't a model for it yet). The Warbringer Nemesis is smaller & more heavily armoured than a Warlord ("Sitting between the Warlord and Reaver in size"), and it has Reaver arms.

Funny, the warlord pictured here http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/hootibix/Epic/WIPLegioMetalicaWarlord.jpg has got one mounted on his left arm, this one has one on his right arm https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0261/52/1374505027768.jpg , and here's a picture with a warlord with a quake cannon on both carapace mounts. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4qvrWDNuvi3GJ95HSBtaL7-cv9TaKT9KQ3ZOgIJ-A4tWRuHS9 .

I'm pretty damn positive you could mount 4 of them if you really felt like it. So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.

I think the beast was talking about 'now', and not 'long ago' as would be the timeframe for the titan models you've linked to there.

 Mysterio wrote:
I think the beast was talking about 'now', and not 'long ago' as would be the timeframe for the titan models you've linked to there.

Yes - in the current 30k & 40k (& AT) rules, the Quake Cannon is an arm only weapon. Sorry for any confusion.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I'm pretty damn positive you could mount 4 of them if you really felt like it. So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.

It's not the weapon but the fact it's intermediate version for the hull. For carapace it allows other weapons like bellicosa volcano cannon as well.

It's basically cross between reaver and warlord so more like upgunned and uparmoured reaver without going all the way to the warlord level. Allows access to warlord level weapons on cheaper and possibly faster mount.

Though it's possible the quake cannon this mounts has some additional rules for artirelly use. Indirect fire ability? That could be neat.

beast_gts wrote:
Warbringer Nemesis Titan incoming (before Christmas)!

Spoiler:

When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.

On an Inferno cannon...maybe?

But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So why a titan mounting only one is supposed to be considered special is a bit beyond me.

Probably because "quake cannon" is a general term for a class of weapons, and this is a particularly impressive one. I mean, as much as I love IG, I don't think the quake cannon mounted on a Baneblade-class tank is the same as the one on a Warlord titan.

They used to be, same as Volcano Cannons and Vulcan Mega Bolters on other stuff in Epic. Then they made up new ones to make Titans in 40K stronger. Just add “Ridculosa Pattern” to the front and double the S value, in typical FW fashion.

It's been that way since the very beginning, IIRC. I'll need to go back to my 1st edition Space Marine reference sheets to confirm, but anyway; the weapons mounted on titans in 1st edition Adeptus Titanicus were called the same names as those weapons used by infantry and vehicles (the plastic titan weapon that went on to be called the Gatling Blaster, and the metal one that became the Vulcan Mega-bolter were autocannon, for example), but had different stats as they were clearly bigger. All three Imperial titan classes used them though, the difference being the rating (a Warhound would have a 1- or 2-shot autocannon, a Warlord could have up to four shots).

Then in 2nd edition Epic, the weapons were renamed and the metal Reaver/Warhound weapons split out to become lighter weapons (Warlords could still use them, but why bother since you didn't pay additional points for weapons, and most players didn't use the plastic Warlord weapons on Reavers because the model came with metal ones in the box). Then in 3rd edition Epic 40,000 the Warlord was tweaked a little more by mounting the lighter weapons on the carapace, which has become the norm ever since.

 Padre wrote:
When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.

On an Inferno cannon...maybe?

But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?

Perhaps to ignite the shell? Maybe set off some sort of additional booster?

In Epic 2nd, the Quake Cannon was one of the few non-barrage weapons that could take out buildings. They were pretty lethal with a (if I recall correctly) 150cm range, 3+ to hit and a -4 save. Most buildings had a 7+ (or maybe 5+) save on 2d6 so it'd make quite a mess of one (as well as the occupants).

Was quite suprised to see that the Warmonger is coming before Christmas, was expecting it to be released at the HH Weekender at the earliest!

Wonder when it will actually go on sale, thinking maybe pre-order on the 7th for release on the 14th, as if it goes later than that then delivery is going to fall right over the Christmas holiday period, which just seems like a recipe for annoying people with delayed deliveries etc. Plus I imagine a lot of people would be quite pleased to get it in time to start work on it over the Christmas holidays.

Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.

 Padre wrote:

When I eventually build one, I will not be adding the "igniter" on the Quake Cannon.

On an Inferno cannon...maybe?

But why would you put such a thing on a Quake Cannon, which is essentially a massive artillery piece?

I imagine it's a nod to the original Quake Cannon design, which had a similar structure. You can see it here on the upper left, just to the right of the banner pole:

<headcanon>the quake cannon is an electromagnetic cannon and that bit is to neutralise the charged projectile as it leaves the barrel, to avoid uncontrolled electrical arcing</headcanon>

The multimelta (fourth from left, bottom) has something similar, and that's just as unexplained.

Hmmm, re the "igniter"...good points, gents (and ladies, if applicable).

I think the Epic homage does make sense, actually...may have to see what it looks like "in the flesh", so to speak...

Tavis75 wrote:
Were there any hints at the price? I'm guessing the body with cannon is likely to be around the price of the Warlord body (if not slightly more) as the Titan itself doesn't look that much smaller than the Warlord, but then it will work out a bit cheaper overall as you'll only need the two Reaver class weapons.

It's stated to be in between class so should be bigger than reaver, smaller than warlord. Thus I would expect somewhat cheaper than warlord.

I love the Nemesis model, may strongly consider getting one depending on the price and wherever you can buy it in individual parts such as arms, weapons etc.

My only reservation however, is that I'm betting the rules will be pretty crap. FW will simply give it Reaver weapons, 2x Quad Long-Barrel Autocannons and the Quake Cannon will be exactly the same as the standard Warlord one. Personally I'd give it an AoE effect, such as "Nominate a point on the battlefield within range. Any unit within 6" of the point is hit by the cannon." with the cannon stats remaining the same as the Quake Cannon but with the ability to actually hit more than one unit at a time.